Current Events > Broken bones found in Epsteins neck

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-broken-neck/index.html
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I mean if he died by hanging I feel like thats a pretty big given.

I also dont know anything about death by hanging except that if you dont snap the bones then you suffocate which is much worse.

I also dont actually know that, but Ive heard it in movies and tv.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean if he died by hanging I feel like thats a pretty big given.

I also dont know anything about death by hanging except that if you dont snap the bones then you suffocate which is much worse.

I also dont actually know that, but Ive heard it in movies and tv.

With a drop hanging (like from a gallows), it's almost a given that you die from a broken neck. But with a suicide hanging (most of which are NOT drop hangings) it's much more difficult to break a bone because there's no sudden pressure.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean if he died by hanging I feel like thats a pretty big given.

I also dont know anything about death by hanging except that if you dont snap the bones then you suffocate which is much worse.

I also dont actually know that, but Ive heard it in movies and tv.

With a drop hanging (like from a gallows), it's almost a given that you die from a broken neck. But with a suicide hanging (most of which are NOT drop hangings) it's much more difficult to break a bone because there's no sudden pressure.

That makes a lot of sense. And Im pretty sure he did it from a bunk bed which id imagine would make it a lot harder.

How far does one need to go for the right amount of pressure? Like kicking out chair usually work? Pretty much what Im asking is if he jumped up and then crouched (Landing on his knees like I think they said he was found) do you think that could be enough pressure?
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Could you get multiple broken bones from a drop hanging, assuming he pulled that off?
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Zeeak4444 posted...

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean if he died by hanging I feel like thats a pretty big given.

I also dont know anything about death by hanging except that if you dont snap the bones then you suffocate which is much worse.

I also dont actually know that, but Ive heard it in movies and tv.

With a drop hanging (like from a gallows), it's almost a given that you die from a broken neck. But with a suicide hanging (most of which are NOT drop hangings) it's much more difficult to break a bone because there's no sudden pressure.

That makes a lot of sense. And Im pretty sure he did it from a bunk bed which id imagine would make it a lot harder.

How far does one need to go for the right amount of pressure? Like kicking out chair usually work? Pretty much what Im asking is if he jumped up and then crouched (Landing on his knees like I think they said he was found) do you think that could be enough pressure?

i thought one of the inmates said there is nothing to drop hang yourself.
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Every detail, no matter how mundane and given, gets picked up by conspiracy theorists as proof he was assasinated.
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COVxy posted...

Every detail, no matter how mundane and given, gets picked up by conspiracy theorists as
proof he was assasinated.

just explain what he hanged himself off of, and how he did it with bedsheets designed to break so that people can't do this exact thing.

He was strangled
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We'll probably never know for sure.
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*starts furiously rearranging corkboard*
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Zeeak4444 posted...

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean if he died by hanging I feel like thats a pretty big given.

I also dont know anything about death by hanging except that if you dont snap the bones then you suffocate which is much worse.

I also dont actually know that, but Ive heard it in movies and tv.

With a drop hanging (like from a gallows), it's almost a given that you die from a broken neck. But with a suicide hanging (most of which are NOT drop hangings) it's much more difficult to break a bone because there's no sudden pressure.

That makes a lot of sense. And Im pretty sure he did it from a bunk bed which id imagine would make it a lot harder.

How far does one need to go for the right amount of pressure? Like kicking out chair usually work? Pretty much what Im asking is if he jumped up and then crouched (Landing on his knees like I think they said he was found) do you think that could be enough pressure?

You don't have to go very far at all, just far enough that the weight of your body tightens the noose. I mean, people hang themselves sitting down, it's not that difficult. With a noose in place and the weight of your entire body tightening it, you pass out from hypoxia due to constriction of the carotid arteries within seconds, and once you go limp, it will tighten even further and block your trachea, cutting off your oxygen. You'd end up brain dead from compromised blood flow to the brain before you suffocate and your heart stops.
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Fam_Fam posted...

just explain what he hanged himself off of, and how he did it with bedsheets designed to break so that people can't do this exact thing.

Answer @COVxy

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The noose he made with paper bedsheets was strong enough to snap his neck?
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i like how everyone's an expert on this sort of thing all of a sudden lol
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You know, when one hangs themselves, they break their neck right guys?
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Caution998 posted...

You know, when one hangs themselves, they break their neck right guys?

Not all the time, and especially not with the amount of force Epstein was able to do by himself.

hmmm
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I was initially sympathetic to the conspiracy angles, but the way people are acting like experts on jail suicide protocol, jail architecture, jail conditions, and crime scene investigation when they know little beyond the most basic facts about each of these things has turned me off. No one here has seen the jail cell or the materials Epstein had, so they can't really comment on whether hanging was possible or what distance he could have fallen.

No one here really understands what types of bone breaks are possible during a suicide attempt and how those compare to strangulation wounds.

If we want accurate answers and not to just speculate wildly all day, we should be camped outside our lawmakers and investigators offices calling them and knocking on their doors demanding a gigantic investigation by independent people who actually know what they're talking about.
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legendary_zell posted...

I was initially sympathetic to the conspiracy angles, but the way people are acting like experts on jail suicide protocol, jail architecture, jail conditions, and crime scene investigation when they know little beyond the most basic facts about each of these things has turned me off.

We are being told he broke his neck via hanging with tissue paper bed sheets on the same day the cameras malfunctioned and the guards fell asleep.

At this point people with a shred of common sense don't give a damn about what you think.
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Bloodychess posted...

legendary_zell posted...

I was initially sympathetic to the conspiracy angles, but the way people are acting like experts on jail suicide protocol, jail architecture, jail conditions, and crime scene investigation when they know little beyond the most basic facts about each of these things has turned me off.

We are being told he broke his neck via hanging with tissue paper bed sheets on the same day the cameras malfunctioned and the guards fell asleep.

At this point people with a shred of common sense don't give a damn about what you think.

I'm not even disputing that the situation looks bad in the aggregate or asserting that we just take the story as we get it. I'm disagreeing with the extreme armchair autopsying, investigation, and journalism that are surrounding this case. I want to see what actually happened here, and wild, unfounded theorizing is going to poison the waters and discredit the idea of asking questions.

I want legit questions answered by legit people, not assertions about cameras and TP sheets when we don't actually have info on that yet and theories from people who have no idea about how to evaluate causes of death.

But I'm sure you and Cena are the voices of common sense.
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People are jumping to strangulation, but they don't stop to think that strangulation leaves massively obvious bruising all over a neck.
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Doom_Art posted...

i like how everyone's an expert on this sort of thing all of a sudden lol

you didn't get your CSI credentials by watching the CSI shows? try to keep up!
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Epstein wasnt murdered. He was told to kill himself
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If you've seen pictures of the jail cell and his sheets, analyzed the functioning of surveillance cameras, read the autopsy, and have expertise on how likely the neck injuries were to be from strangulation, then let us all know, otherwise you can't lay claim to common sense against someone who is saying we should actually investigate these things so we can actually hold people accountable for whatever went wrong, whether it was a hit or incompetence.
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I mean... he's rich, so that probably isn't even the real Epstein. the real one is in Cuba trying to start a record label with Tupac Shakur.
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QuantumTheory posted...

Epstein wasnt murdered. He was told to kill himself

he's a manchurian pedo?

why would he dothat?
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean if he died by hanging I feel like thats a pretty big given.

I also dont know anything about death by hanging except that if you dont snap the bones then you suffocate which is much worse.

I also dont actually know that, but Ive heard it in movies and tv.

With a drop hanging (like from a gallows), it's almost a given that you die from a broken neck. But with a suicide hanging (most of which are NOT drop hangings) it's much more difficult to break a bone because there's no sudden pressure.

That's what I've heard, but he's also old and could've jumped and preformed some sort of cannon ball maneuver to gain velocity before pressure was applied to his neck. No real way of knowing unless there is a photo of when he was found.
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Hanky_Bannister posted...

QuantumTheory posted...

Epstein wasnt murdered. He was told to kill himself

he's a manchurian pedo?

why would he dothat?

If he didnt there would be repercussions for his family.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

You don't have to go very far at all

Was it Robin Williams and maybe another one that did it from a doorknob. Wild stuff.
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Interesting. I had no real reason asking those things I was just curious about it all. I appreciate all the responses fam.
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