Current Events > Let's say Trump wins in 2020

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And as a result of that win he gets 2 more supreme court seats and the democrats lose congress, what happens then? He's a proven liar, poorly educated and corrupt yet America still chose him over Democrats wouldn't that mean that ultimate America decide they were done with leftism ideals completely? Because I doubt even if you believe that touting

After seeing how his admin completely ignores election tampering I'm just about certain he's got it on lockdown.
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tremain07 posted...

that ultimate America decide they were done with leftism ideals completely?

Popular vote in 2016 says otherwise.
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The courts are fucked for a generation and once again my millenial generation has disappointed me yet again by not voting (in the swing states).

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tremain07 posted...

And as a result of that win he gets 2 more supreme court seats and the democrats lose congress, what happens then? He's a proven liar, poorly educated and corrupt yet America still chose him over Democrats wouldn't that mean that ultimate America decide they were done with leftism ideals completely? Because I doubt even if you believe that touting

After seeing how his admin completely ignores election tampering I'm just about certain he's got it on lockdown.

The country would probably go back to the racial and civil rights makeup of the 1950s. I am not exaggerating. We're talking roundups of minorities, banning abortion, disappearing LGBTQ rights, the kkk marching again ("freedom of expression", right?), you name it.

Smashingpmkns posted...

tremain07 posted...

that ultimate America decide they were done with leftism ideals completely?

Popular vote in 2016 says otherwise.

They don't matter, the electoral college matters, those are america as far as it comes to electing it's leader and they chose Trump.

SpudForce posted...

The courts are fucked for a generation and once again my millenial generation has disappointed me yet again by not voting (in the swing states).

They'll disappoint you next year,too because Biden has the charisma of a blank wall, he can't even ride off Obama's coattails because Dems hate his ass now and his supporters were his supporters,they didn't even turn out for Hillary who carried a chunk of Obama's ideals and stances. I'm absolutely certain it'll be a repeat of "My chosen candidate gets the nod or I stay home/vote for Trump out of spite" not that there's anything wrong with that it's just when you're up against a united front like republicans and you don't like their ideals you're pretty much hurting yourself out of anger.

Man, imagine if Biden gets the nod and yet again the story breaks about how the DNC screwed Sanders and CNN flooded answers to him during debates.
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This will happen if Biden is chosen.

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YokoGeri posted...

The country would probably go back to the racial and civil rights makeup of the 1950s. I am not exaggerating.

Look at this fear mongering.

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tremain07 posted...

They don't matter, the electoral college matters, those are america as far as it comes to electing it's leader and they chose Trump.

This doesnt mean that America rejected progressive ideals though. It means a few select states did. You know, ballot question results in 2016 and since kinda prove that.
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Cheater87 posted...

This will happen if Biden is chosen.

It looks pretty set in stone, the establishment wants him, even moderate republicans wouldn't mind him that much because of his record and what a pushover he is for the senate and he's even the best kind of liberal for them, conservative on paper, liberal on TV
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chrono625 posted...

YokoGeri posted...

The country would probably go back to the racial and civil rights makeup of the 1950s. I am not exaggerating.

Look at this fear mongering.

@chrono625 in 2015 I would have posted "brown kids will be put in cages like animals, kids will go to school to find out their parents have been snatched away, neo-nazis will fly nazi flags and torches in Charlottesville and we will have 2 white supremacist shootings in the same week, one of them who went to shoot "mexicans" inspired by the president's words" and you would have called me crazy and an exaggerated chicken little, yet here we are now...

chrono625 posted...

YokoGeri posted...

The country would probably go back to the racial and civil rights makeup of the 1950s. I am not exaggerating.

Look at this fear mongering.

For real, lmao good thing none of this bad stuff happened when Obama was president
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l0bcity posted...

chrono625 posted...

YokoGeri posted...

The country would probably go back to the racial and civil rights makeup of the 1950s. I am not exaggerating.

Look at this fear mongering.

For real, lmao good thing none of this bad stuff happened when Obama was president

read my reply to him

I honestly don't think society would let it go that far. And yu can't just start gunning down a bunch of your own people. Plus other countries would be motivated to help the rebels...you know what, this sounds fun. Let's do this.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

I honestly don't think society would let it go that far.

- baby concentration camps
- el paso shooter, garlic festival shooter
- "very fine people"

we don't get there in 1 day, it's a slow progression and normalization of hate. If we had 5 el pasos per month people would stop caring, right?

it's easy to be silent when one thinks they're not going to be effected. but when it's at their doorstep, everybody they ignored and alienated for their own comfort will pull out the receipts when they cry out for help, lol.

it's a sad, sad pattern in human history. some communities learn. others are incorrigible.
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YokoGeri posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I honestly don't think society would let it go that far.

- baby concentration camps
- el paso shooter, garlic festival shooter
- "very fine people"

we don't get there in 1 day, it's a slow progression and normalization of hate. If we had 5 el pasos per month people would stop caring, right?

I get what you're saying but it's just as foolish to think because of this there is absolutely no breaking point. Like riots have never happened. That could be on a much grander scale if the impact into personal lives is on a much bigger scale.
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As I've said it before; 2016 was a fluke more than anything. The democrats had a worse candidate than Trump. We will see if they have someone better this time, or push the same narrative.
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If Hillary was guilty of the murders conspiracy theorists claim she committed, she'd still be a better president than Trump.

MaverickXeo posted...

As I've said it before; 2016 was a fluke more than anything. The democrats had a worse candidate than Trump. We will see if they have someone better this time, or push the same narrative.

Trump was literally the worst candidate, period. it's not a fluke, people are just fucking stupid. they "think and feel," but can't be bothered to put in the time or effort to learn and understand. too much of a hassle, and too much selfish prioritization on feelings over logic and facts.

it's not just one side, but Trump was objectively the wrong choice for America. he has his die hards, but a lot of people simply goofed. but until they hold themselves accountable instead of trying to downplay and sweep shit under the rug, we run the risk of him winning again.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

As I've said it before; 2016 was a fluke more than anything. The democrats had a worse candidate than Trump. We will see if they have someone better this time, or push the same narrative.

Trump was literally the worst candidate, period. it's not a fluke, people are just fucking stupid. they "think and feel," but can't be bothered to put in the time or effort to learn and understand. too much of a hassle, and too much selfish prioritization on feelings over logic and facts.

it's not just one side, but Trump was objectively the wrong choice for America. he has his die hards, but a lot of people simply goofed. but until they hold themselves accountable instead of trying to downplay and sweep shit under the rug, we run the risk of him winning again.

Trump was a worse candidate, but still won, right?

He was a bad choice, but against ANY OTHER democratic president in history, he would've lost big time.
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Are people gonna say that about Biden,too?
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@Lost_All_Senses posted...

YokoGeri posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I honestly don't think society would let it go that far.

- baby concentration camps
- el paso shooter, garlic festival shooter
- "very fine people"

we don't get there in 1 day, it's a slow progression and normalization of hate. If we had 5 el pasos per month people would stop caring, right?

I get what you're saying but it's just as foolish to think because of this there is absolutely no breaking point. Like riots have never happened. That could be on a much grander scale if the impact into personal lives is on a much bigger scale.

Who is going to riot? What for?

This has been so normalized you don't really see the gravity of it.

Babies, some of breastfeeding age are snatched from their mother's arms, put on cages in dirty places where they end getting the flu, lice, and sometimes, sexual abuse. Brown people get shot in mass shooting LITERALLY for being brown, following the inspiration that the president's rhetoric brought.

Nobody truly cared. Some people even defended it.

Nothing will chance, there will be no stopping point. What would be a good stopping point in your opinion, if caged babies with lice and sexual abuse and racially-motivated shooting tragedies were not?

@MaverickXeo posted...

As I've said it before; 2016 was a fluke more than anything. The democrats had a worse candidate than Trump. We will see if they have someone better this time, or push the same narrative.

they did not.

She was as prepared as it can get. Sure, she didn't have good break dancing skills, she didn't look good in a swimsuit, she was not a good DJ and she was not going to pay for people's college. So? The other guy is literally the "very fine people" guy, what kind of double standard is that?

YokoGeri posted...

what kind of double standard is that?

The double standard is, of course, that Democrats are literally held to a higher standard than Republicans by their respective supporters.
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Then the Democratic party no longer has a reason to exist. At all.

Expect rights from the less well off to be slowly stripped away (Already happened to trans people they'll go down the list). Expect the economy to become significantly worse because the rich put back less and less, expect relations to get worse and worse.

Then expect the voters to be shocked when they get handed the bill for no longer being useful.
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YokoGeri posted...

@Lost_All_Senses posted...

YokoGeri posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I honestly don't think society would let it go that far.

- baby concentration camps
- el paso shooter, garlic festival shooter
- "very fine people"

we don't get there in 1 day, it's a slow progression and normalization of hate. If we had 5 el pasos per month people would stop caring, right?

I get what you're saying but it's just as foolish to think because of this there is absolutely no breaking point. Like riots have never happened. That could be on a much grander scale if the impact into personal lives is on a much bigger scale.

Who is going to riot? What for?

This has been so normalized you don't really see the gravity of it.

Babies, some of breastfeeding age are snatched from their mother's arms, put on cages in dirty places where they end getting the flu, lice, and sometimes, sexual abuse. Brown people get shot in mass shooting LITERALLY for being brown, following the inspiration that the president's rhetoric brought.

Nobody truly cared. Some people even defended it.

Nothing will chance, there will be no stopping point. What would be a good stopping point in your opinion, if caged babies with lice and sexual abuse and racially-motivated shooting tragedies were not?

You're not getting what Im getting at. For instance the bolded actually helps my case. The reason people aren't doing anything is because the gravity of things isn't directly in their face and affecting them personally. If one side takes command and starts doing whatever they feel then all of a sudden it's at everyones door and families are affected everywhere dramatically by changes to healthcare support and stuff.

Also you keep bringing up mass shootings which has no place in this discussion. These are seemingly random and have no source to attack. Makes me think we're not even arguing the same thing. Anyway, this is all speculation anyway.
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CyricZ posted...

YokoGeri posted...

what kind of double standard is that?

The double standard is, of course, that Democrats are literally held to a higher standard than Republicans by their respective supporters.

How's that working out for ya? Have you found a perfect mix of Einstein, Rosa Parks, Will Smith and Taylor Swift to vote for yet? because the "very fine people" and the "very fine people" who insist they voted for obama twice are all in on 45.

YokoGeri posted...

CyricZ posted...

YokoGeri posted...

what kind of double standard is that?

The double standard is, of course, that Democrats are literally held to a higher standard than Republicans by their respective supporters.

How's that working out for ya? Have you found a perfect mix of Einstein, Rosa Parks, Will Smith and Taylor Swift to vote for yet? because the "very fine people" and the "very fine people" who insist they voted for obama twice are all in on 45.

Lol, shit. This was the guy I was spending time arguing with? Im an idiot.
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YokoGeri posted...

CyricZ posted...

YokoGeri posted...

what kind of double standard is that?

The double standard is, of course, that Democrats are literally held to a higher standard than Republicans by their respective supporters.

How's that working out for ya? Have you found a perfect mix of Einstein, Rosa Parks, Will Smith and Taylor Swift to vote for yet? because the "very fine people" and the "very fine people" who insist they voted for obama twice are all in on 45.

What Senses said, but not as adroitly.

I never said that was necessarily a good thing. Clearly it resulted in the 2016 loss.

But Clinton's campaign bears onus for that. I don't agree that there's nothing Clinton could have done in 2016 that would have better shored up her chances. How much of the campaign was "look how bad that guy is"?
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Hairistotle posted...

CyricZ posted...

What Senses said, but not as adroitly.

is this a joke

Eh, kinda?
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Hairistotle posted...

CyricZ posted...

What Senses said, but not as adroitly.

is this a joke

Even if it was, why you gotta take that away from me?
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CyricZ posted...

YokoGeri posted...

CyricZ posted...

YokoGeri posted...

what kind of double standard is that?

The double standard is, of course, that Democrats are literally held to a higher standard than Republicans by their respective supporters.

How's that working out for ya? Have you found a perfect mix of Einstein, Rosa Parks, Will Smith and Taylor Swift to vote for yet? because the "very fine people" and the "very fine people" who insist they voted for obama twice are all in on 45.

What Senses said, but not as adroitly.

I never said that was necessarily a good thing. Clearly it resulted in the 2016 loss.

But Clinton's campaign bears onus for that. I don't agree that there's nothing Clinton could have done in 2016 that would have better shored up her chances. How much of the campaign was "look how bad that guy is"?

She made some critical mistakes, such as never even bothering visiting some states at all, I am sure it pissed many people off.

Granted, she still won the popular vote, and it still took a combination of the GOP, Russia, Wikileaks and Comey to squeeze out an electoral college victory.

This bothers me because if people are using this logic with her they can use it for most democratic primary candidates out there, while, again, trump guys will vote for him no matter what

Lost_All_Senses posted...

YokoGeri posted...

@Lost_All_Senses posted...

YokoGeri posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I honestly don't think society would let it go that far.

- baby concentration camps
- el paso shooter, garlic festival shooter
- "very fine people"

we don't get there in 1 day, it's a slow progression and normalization of hate. If we had 5 el pasos per month people would stop caring, right?

I get what you're saying but it's just as foolish to think because of this there is absolutely no breaking point. Like riots have never happened. That could be on a much grander scale if the impact into personal lives is on a much bigger scale.

Who is going to riot? What for?

This has been so normalized you don't really see the gravity of it.

Babies, some of breastfeeding age are snatched from their mother's arms, put on cages in dirty places where they end getting the flu, lice, and sometimes, sexual abuse. Brown people get shot in mass shooting LITERALLY for being brown, following the inspiration that the president's rhetoric brought.

Nobody truly cared. Some people even defended it.

Nothing will chance, there will be no stopping point. What would be a good stopping point in your opinion, if caged babies with lice and sexual abuse and racially-motivated shooting tragedies were not?

You're not getting what Im getting at. For instance the bolded actually helps my case. The reason people aren't doing anything is because the gravity of things isn't directly in their face and affecting them personally. If one side takes command and starts doing whatever they feel then all of a sudden it's at everyones door and families are affected everywhere dramatically by changes to healthcare support and stuff.

Also you keep bringing up mass shootings which has no place in this discussion. These are seemingly random and have no source to attack. Makes me think we're not even arguing the same thing. Anyway, this is all speculation anyway.

I was going to read your reply then I remembered you called me an idiot ITT for bringing up the democrat's poor break dancing skils and no free stuff is not a valid reason to vote trump

YokoGeri posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

YokoGeri posted...

@Lost_All_Senses posted...

YokoGeri posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I honestly don't think society would let it go that far.

- baby concentration camps
- el paso shooter, garlic festival shooter
- "very fine people"

we don't get there in 1 day, it's a slow progression and normalization of hate. If we had 5 el pasos per month people would stop caring, right?

I get what you're saying but it's just as foolish to think because of this there is absolutely no breaking point. Like riots have never happened. That could be on a much grander scale if the impact into personal lives is on a much bigger scale.

Who is going to riot? What for?

This has been so normalized you don't really see the gravity of it.

Babies, some of breastfeeding age are snatched from their mother's arms, put on cages in dirty places where they end getting the flu, lice, and sometimes, sexual abuse. Brown people get shot in mass shooting LITERALLY for being brown, following the inspiration that the president's rhetoric brought.

Nobody truly cared. Some people even defended it.

Nothing will chance, there will be no stopping point. What would be a good stopping point in your opinion, if caged babies with lice and sexual abuse and racially-motivated shooting tragedies were not?

You're not getting what Im getting at. For instance the bolded actually helps my case. The reason people aren't doing anything is because the gravity of things isn't directly in their face and affecting them personally. If one side takes command and starts doing whatever they feel then all of a sudden it's at everyones door and families are affected everywhere dramatically by changes to healthcare support and stuff.

Also you keep bringing up mass shootings which has no place in this discussion. These are seemingly random and have no source to attack. Makes me think we're not even arguing the same thing. Anyway, this is all speculation anyway.

I was going to read your reply then I remembered you called me an idiot ITT for bringing up the democrat's poor break dancing skils and no free stuff is not a valid reason to vote trump

I called myself an idiot for engaging. I never even said you weren't making points. That one post was just ridiculous.
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