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teepan95 08/08/19 4:23:16 PM #1:	A Hamburg court announced on Wednesday that a 92-year-old former SS guard would go on trial in October accused of helping to kill more than 5,000 prisoners. The unnamed man will be tried on 5,230 counts of accessory to murder as he contributed to the functioning of the Stutthof concentration camp in Nazi-occupied Poland towards the end of World War II. [...] A spokeswoman for the prosecutors said the suspect had made a partial confession. German newspaper Die Welt reported that he admitted to working at the camp and was aware of prisoners being pushed into gas chambers. In addition, he said he had seen bodies being burned in the crematorium, but argued this did not mean he was guilty. "What use would it have been if I had left, they would have found someone else?" Die Welt quoted him as saying. Prosecutors, however, see it differently. "Surveillance was necessary for the concentration camp to function, and the camp was made to kill people," Hamburg state court spokesman Kai Wantzen said of the prosecution's argument. https://m.dw.com/en/germany-92-year-old-former-ss-guard-to-face-trial/a-49949017 --- I use Gameraven and you should too. "I don't f****** care about anyone's penis but mine..." - Machete <cite>teepan95 posted [p:925806231] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote><quote>A Hamburg court announced on Wednesday that a 92-year-old former SS guard would go on trial in October accused of helping to kill more than 5,000 prisoners. The unnamed man will be tried on 5,230 counts of accessory to murder as he contributed to the functioning of the Stutthof concentration camp in Nazi-occupied Poland towards the end of World War II. [...] A spokeswoman for the prosecutors said the suspect had made a partial confession. German newspaper Die Welt reported that he admitted to working at the camp and was aware of prisoners being pushed into gas chambers. In addition, he said he had seen bodies being burned in the crematorium, but argued this did not mean he was guilty. "What use would it have been if I had left, they would have found someone else?" Die Welt quoted him as saying. Prosecutors, however, see it differently. "Surveillance was necessary for the concentration camp to function, and the camp was made to kill people," Hamburg state court spokesman Kai Wantzen said of the prosecution's argument. </quote> https://m.dw.com/en/germany-92-year-old-former-ss-guard-to-face-trial/a-49949017</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feetish 08/08/19 4:28:11 PM #2:	Good. If he had left the Nazis would indeed have found someone else in which case that person would be on trial instead. <cite>Feetish posted [p:925806428] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Good. If he had left the Nazis would indeed have found someone else in which case that person would be on trial instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 08/08/19 4:29:37 PM #3:	Feetish posted... Good. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:925806494] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Feetish posted...</cite> <quote>Good.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brotrrwinner 08/08/19 4:31:00 PM #4:	I don't think someone could simply leave the German nazi army... --- September 21st, 2008 Never forget <cite>brotrrwinner posted [p:925806548] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>I don't think someone could simply leave the German nazi army...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Infinite 2003 08/08/19 4:31:51 PM #5:	Better late than never --- Before I knew it there was poop on my lips. - squarion <cite>Infinite 2003 posted [p:925806595] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Better late than never </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EternalDivide 08/08/19 4:32:54 PM #7:	Another one of these huh. He cut the grass there and it wasn't as if he or any other menial grunt could say no to his duties under that regime. Let's hold him personally responsible for the holocaust! He's just as bad as Hitler! Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. <cite>EternalDivide posted [p:925806649] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Another one of these huh. He cut the grass there and it wasn't as if he or any other menial grunt could say no to his duties under that regime. Let's hold him personally responsible for the holocaust! He's just as bad as Hitler! Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewerx 08/08/19 4:34:21 PM #8:	EternalDivide posted... nd it wasn't as if he or any other menial grunt could say no to his duties under that regime Except they could, and some did. You volunteered to join the fucking SS. --- textual predator <cite>Firewerx posted [p:925806705] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>EternalDivide posted...</cite> <quote>nd it wasn't as if he or any other menial grunt could say no to his duties under that regime</quote> Except they could, and some did. You volunteered to join the fucking SS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/08/19 4:36:55 PM #9:	I'd say go ahead with the trial,, but I'd probably prefer a non-prison sentence --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925806814] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>I'd say go ahead with the trial,, but I'd probably prefer a non-prison sentence </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/08/19 4:37:35 PM #10:	Kinda a grey area. Not like he could just leave and I'm not exactly sure what the goal of persecuting him is. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:925806853] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Kinda a grey area. Not like he could just leave and I'm not exactly sure what the goal of persecuting him is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 08/08/19 4:37:46 PM #11:	Did he have the ability to choose his post? Did they in general have the ability to deny posts at the camps? The whole regime was fucked up, but it should only reflect on a single individual if they choose to be there out of their own free will as part of the slaughter and abuse. <cite>nemu posted [p:925806865] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Did he have the ability to choose his post? Did they in general have the ability to deny posts at the camps? The whole regime was fucked up, but it should only reflect on a single individual if they choose to be there out of their own free will as part of the slaughter and abuse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/08/19 4:39:07 PM #12:	The world at large determined that "I was just following orders" is not a valid defense over 70 years ago. It was called the Nuremberg Trials. --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925806940] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>The world at large determined that "I was just following orders" is not a valid defense over 70 years ago. It was called the Nuremberg Trials. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Duncanwii 08/08/19 4:41:14 PM #14:	Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Did he have the ability to choose his post? He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave And then die. Do you know anything about facism? --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925807041] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Did he have the ability to choose his post?</quote> He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave</quote> And then die. Do you know anything about facism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 08/08/19 4:43:20 PM #15:	Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Did he have the ability to choose his post? He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave Would have either of those options led to his death? If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or go to jail", then it's indefensible. If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or die," then it's more gray. Or if he just had the complete free will to come or go, then it's indefensible. <cite>nemu posted [p:925807132] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Did he have the ability to choose his post?</quote> He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave</quote> Would have either of those options led to his death? If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or go to jail", then it's indefensible. If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or die," then it's more gray. Or if he just had the complete free will to come or go, then it's indefensible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewerx 08/08/19 4:45:00 PM #16:	nemu posted... Did he have the ability to choose his post? Did they in general have the ability to deny posts at the camps? The whole regime was fucked up, but it should only reflect on a single individual if they choose to be there out of their own free will as part of the slaughter and abuse. He could have requested a transfer to other duties, or to a combat assignment. When Reserve Police Battalion 101 began mass shootings of Jews in Poland in July 1942, some 10-20% of the men in the two companies that carried out the massacre at Jzefw managed to find ways to avoid participation in the killings. Some requested to be excused from firing squad duty; some requested a transfer to a different unit, and these requests were approved. Around a dozen men declined to take part at the outset because they were offered the opportunity to step down. But others assigned to the firing squads requested to be relieved after they shot a few Jews and found they couldnt continue; their requests were approved. Others found other ways to dodge the dirty work; when caught by NCOs, they were verbally abused but allowed to drop out. Upon their return to barracks, two men took advantage of a regulation that required them as policemen to sign a release form agreeing to duty in a combat area: one refused to sign and another rescinded his signature. Both were transferred back to Germany. The police lieutnant who commanded the 1st Company told the battalion commanders adjutant before the massacre began that he would not participate in the shooting of women and children. Afterwards, he asked for a transfer back to Hamburg; when this was slow in coming, he wrote to Hamburg himself, explicitly requesting a recall because he was not suited to certain tasks alien to the police. He had to wait until November, but his attempts were eventually successful. So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried. --- textual predator <cite>Firewerx posted [p:925807204] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Did he have the ability to choose his post? Did they in general have the ability to deny posts at the camps? The whole regime was fucked up, but it should only reflect on a single individual if they choose to be there out of their own free will as part of the slaughter and abuse.</quote> He could have requested a transfer to other duties, or to a combat assignment. When Reserve Police Battalion 101 began mass shootings of Jews in Poland in July 1942, some 10-20% of the men in the two companies that carried out the massacre at Jzefw managed to find ways to avoid participation in the killings. Some requested to be excused from firing squad duty; some requested a transfer to a different unit, and these requests were approved. Around a dozen men declined to take part at the outset because they were offered the opportunity to step down. But others assigned to the firing squads requested to be relieved after they shot a few Jews and found they couldnt continue; their requests were approved. Others found other ways to dodge the dirty work; when caught by NCOs, they were verbally abused but allowed to drop out. Upon their return to barracks, two men took advantage of a regulation that required them as policemen to sign a release form agreeing to duty in a combat area: one refused to sign and another rescinded his signature. Both were transferred back to Germany. The police lieutnant who commanded the 1st Company told the battalion commanders adjutant before the massacre began that he would not participate in the shooting of women and children. Afterwards, he asked for a transfer back to Hamburg; when this was slow in coming, he wrote to Hamburg himself, explicitly requesting a recall because he was not suited to certain tasks alien to the police. He had to wait until November, but his attempts were eventually successful. So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 08/08/19 4:45:49 PM #17:	Duncanwii posted... Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Did he have the ability to choose his post? He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave And then die. Do you know anything about facism? You either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain --- I use Gameraven and you should too. "I don't f****** care about anyone's penis but mine..." - Machete <cite>teepan95 posted [p:925807251] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote><cite>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote> nemu posted...</cite> <quote> Did he have the ability to choose his post? </quote> He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave</quote> And then die. Do you know anything about facism?</quote> You either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 08/08/19 4:47:32 PM #19:	Just walking off a military base that you're serving at where nothing is happening in America is a pretty serious crime all on its own. I can't imagine Nazis would think the money they'd spend court marshaling you is worth what they could save by using a bullet instead. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:925807321] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Just walking off a military base that you're serving at where nothing is happening in America is a pretty serious crime all on its own. I can't imagine Nazis would think the money they'd spend court marshaling you is worth what they could save by using a bullet instead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 08/08/19 4:47:48 PM #20:	teepan95 posted... "What use would it have been if I had left, they would have found someone else?" Yikes --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:925807331] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>teepan95 posted...</cite> <quote>"What use would it have been if I had left, they would have found someone else?"</quote> Yikes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 08/08/19 4:51:09 PM #21:	Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Would have either of those options led to his death? Possibly nemu posted... If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or die," then it's more gray No it isn't I'm sure if you put most people in a situation in which it's their life or the lives of others, the grand majority are going to take the selfish route. Few people are that saintly. Though from the above it sounds like he most likely had a choice in the matter regardless, so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway. <cite>nemu posted [p:925807463] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Would have either of those options led to his death?</quote> Possibly nemu posted...</cite> <quote>If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or die," then it's more gray</quote> No it isn't</quote> I'm sure if you put most people in a situation in which it's their life or the lives of others, the grand majority are going to take the selfish route. Few people are that saintly. Though from the above it sounds like he most likely had a choice in the matter regardless, so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/08/19 4:51:32 PM #22:	Firewerx posted... So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried. Ducking out of dirty jobs wasn't enough. Anyone who contributed to the war effort was potentially brought up on charges including telephone operators. Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone" The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:925807480] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Firewerx posted... </cite> <quote>So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried.</quote> Ducking out of dirty jobs wasn't enough. Anyone who contributed to the war effort was potentially brought up on charges including telephone operators. Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone" The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 08/08/19 4:52:11 PM #23:	Duncanwii posted... Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Did he have the ability to choose his post? He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave And then die. Do you know anything about facism? Ya but thats the question now isnt it. If you were told to die or to be an accessory to genocide what would your decision be? --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:925807509] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Did he have the ability to choose his post?</quote> He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave</quote> And then die. Do you know anything about facism?</quote> Ya but thats the question now isnt it. If you were told to die or to be an accessory to genocide what would your decision be?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 08/08/19 4:52:28 PM #24:	Tyranthraxus posted... Firewerx posted... So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried. Ducking out of dirty jobs wasn't enough. Anyone who contributed to the war effort was potentially brought up on charges including telephone operators. Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone" The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty. So should the phone operators at that camp trump made be executed? --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925807521] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Firewerx posted... </cite> <quote>So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried.</quote> Ducking out of dirty jobs wasn't enough. Anyone who contributed to the war effort was potentially brought up on charges including telephone operators. Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone" The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty. </quote> So should the phone operators at that camp trump made be executed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 08/08/19 4:53:35 PM #25:	nemu posted... Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Would have either of those options led to his death? Possibly nemu posted... If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or die," then it's more gray No it isn't I'm sure if you put most people in a situation in which it's their life or the lives of others, the grand majority are going to take the selfish route. Few people are that saintly. Though from the above it sounds like he most likely had a choice in the matter regardless, so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway. Just cause the majority choose something doesn't make it the right choice Tyranthraxus posted... Firewerx posted... So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried. Ducking out of dirty jobs wasn't enough. Anyone who contributed to the war effort was potentially brought up on charges including telephone operators. Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone" The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty. And it's the correct viewpoint. --- I use Gameraven and you should too. "I don't f****** care about anyone's penis but mine..." - Machete <cite>teepan95 posted [p:925807579] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote> nemu posted...</cite> <quote> Would have either of those options led to his death? </quote> Possibly nemu posted...</cite> <quote> If the choice is "participate in the slaughter of these people or die," then it's more gray </quote> No it isn't</quote> I'm sure if you put most people in a situation in which it's their life or the lives of others, the grand majority are going to take the selfish route. Few people are that saintly. Though from the above it sounds like he most likely had a choice in the matter regardless, so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway.</quote> Just cause the majority choose something doesn't make it the right choice <cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Firewerx posted... </cite> <quote> So it was possible to duck out of the dirtiest jobs -- if men simply tried.</quote> Ducking out of dirty jobs wasn't enough. Anyone who contributed to the war effort was potentially brought up on charges including telephone operators. Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone" The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty. </quote> And it's the correct viewpoint.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 08/08/19 4:54:23 PM #28:	nemu posted... so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway. Honestly I think this line of discussion should be highlighted to show how the post-Holocaust generations are so removed from the gruesomeness of the event that they are falling over themselves to forgive the Nazi atrocities committed by people who "didn't have a choice" This is a terrible cultural development that we need to change. --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925807609] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>nemu posted... </cite> <quote>so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway.</quote>Honestly I think this line of discussion should be highlighted to show how the post-Holocaust generations are so removed from the gruesomeness of the event that they are falling over themselves to forgive the Nazi atrocities committed by people who "didn't have a choice" This is a terrible cultural development that we need to change. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/08/19 4:55:34 PM #29:	Duncanwii posted... So should the phone operators at that camp trump made be executed? First of all, I don't think most people sentenced at Nuremburg were executed. I defintely know not all of them were. And there were even a few people who were exonerated. Secondly, ICE, camp staff, and their supporters should definitely be investigated for crimes against humanity and imprisoned / other appropriate action taken. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:925807665] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>So should the phone operators at that camp trump made be executed?</quote> First of all, I don't think most people sentenced at Nuremburg were executed. I defintely know not all of them were. And there were even a few people who were exonerated. Secondly, ICE, camp staff, and their supporters should definitely be investigated for crimes against humanity and imprisoned / other appropriate action taken. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewerx 08/08/19 4:57:09 PM #30:	I'll sum up the two points against him: 1. He wasn't in the Army, he was in the SS. With the exception of some Waffen-SS units later in the war, service in the SS was something you chose. 2. He could have requested a transfer, as other men tasked with the dirtiest jobs did successfully without incurring severe punishment. Fuck him. Save your misplaced sympathy. --- textual predator <cite>Firewerx posted [p:925807742] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>I'll sum up the two points against him: 1. He wasn't in the Army, he was in the SS. With the exception of some Waffen-SS units later in the war, service in the SS was something you chose. 2. He could have requested a transfer, as other men tasked with the dirtiest jobs did successfully without incurring severe punishment. Fuck him. Save your misplaced sympathy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r25 08/08/19 4:59:25 PM #31:	Smashingpmkns posted... Kinda a grey area. Not like he could just leave and I'm not exactly sure what the goal of persecuting him is. Justice <cite>r25 posted [p:925807845] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Kinda a grey area. Not like he could just leave and I'm not exactly sure what the goal of persecuting him is.</quote> Justice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewerx 08/08/19 5:01:12 PM #32:	Tyranthraxus posted... Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone" Do you mean senior executives of companies brought to trial for using slave labour under hideous conditions, not for "making bullets"? --- textual predator <cite>Firewerx posted [p:925807917] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Companies who made bullets for Nazis were put on trial even though they "never killed anyone"</quote> Do you mean senior executives of companies brought to trial for using slave labour under hideous conditions, not for "making bullets"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/08/19 5:01:24 PM #33:	Tyranthraxus posted... The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty. Except, you know, rocket scientists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro" data-time="&start=17 <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:925807926] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>The whole point of the Nuremburg Trials is to show that the people waging genocide are not the only ones responsible for the genocide, but ANYONE who permits an environment to which genocide is enabled is guilty.</quote> Except, you know, rocket scientists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro" data-time="&start=17</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 08/08/19 5:01:37 PM #34:	Let him die in prison. The only good Nazi is a dead one. --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:925807936] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Let him die in prison. The only good Nazi is a dead one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 08/08/19 5:03:07 PM #35:	DeadBankerDream posted... nemu posted... so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway. Honestly I think this line of discussion should be highlighted to show how the post-Holocaust generations are so removed from the gruesomeness of the event that they are falling over themselves to forgive the Nazi atrocities committed by people who "didn't have a choice" This is a terrible cultural development that we need to change. The nazis held some of the most disgusting people the world has ever seen, but in that disgust people seem to forget it was comprised of some ten million+ human beings. There is no way each and every one of them was the scum of the Earth. There are other circumstances, but that does not seem to be the case for this man. If it's true he had a choice, he's scum. <cite>nemu posted [p:925807997] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote>nemu posted... </cite> <quote>so I guess this line of discussion is moot anyway.</quote>Honestly I think this line of discussion should be highlighted to show how the post-Holocaust generations are so removed from the gruesomeness of the event that they are falling over themselves to forgive the Nazi atrocities committed by people who "didn't have a choice" This is a terrible cultural development that we need to change. </quote> The nazis held some of the most disgusting people the world has ever seen, but in that disgust people seem to forget it was comprised of some ten million+ human beings. There is no way each and every one of them was the scum of the Earth. There are other circumstances, but that does not seem to be the case for this man. If it's true he had a choice, he's scum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 08/08/19 5:05:35 PM #36:	DeadBankerDream posted... The world at large determined that "I was just following orders" is not a valid defense over 70 years ago. It was called the Nuremberg Trials. the world at large. mainly usa and its boys also determined that japan honoring their war criminals is ok. since the war criminals were only serving their country. --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:925808106] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote>The world at large determined that "I was just following orders" is not a valid defense over 70 years ago. It was called the Nuremberg Trials. </quote> the world at large. mainly usa and its boys also determined that japan honoring their war criminals is ok. since the war criminals were only serving their country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/08/19 5:08:07 PM #37:	nemu posted... The nazis held some of the most disgusting people the world has ever seen, but in that disgust people seem to forget it was comprised of some ten million+ human beings. There is no way each and every one of them was the scum of the Earth. There are other circumstances, but that does not seem to be the case for this man. If it's true he had a choice, he's scum. Completely irrelevant. The point is that if the "choiceless" foot soldiers are not made out as sharing in the responsibility of the atrocity, we are basically saying it takes only one man with power for a holocaust to happen again. Trump decides all those immigrant camps at the border? We don't really need those or the people in them. And everyone else is just following his orders. Nothing can be done. This thought process is dangerous to the point that it should be considered extremist. --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925808222] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>nemu posted... </cite> <quote>The nazis held some of the most disgusting people the world has ever seen, but in that disgust people seem to forget it was comprised of some ten million+ human beings. There is no way each and every one of them was the scum of the Earth. There are other circumstances, but that does not seem to be the case for this man. If it's true he had a choice, he's scum.</quote>Completely irrelevant. The point is that if the "choiceless" foot soldiers are not made out as sharing in the responsibility of the atrocity, we are basically saying it takes only one man with power for a holocaust to happen again. Trump decides all those immigrant camps at the border? We don't really need those or the people in them. And everyone else is just following his orders. Nothing can be done. This thought process is dangerous to the point that it should be considered extremist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/08/19 5:12:29 PM #38:	ModLogic posted... the world at large. mainly usa and its boys also determined that japan honoring their war criminals is ok. since the war criminals were only serving their country. That didn't start happening until 1959. The occupation ended in 1952. Did you want the US to re-invade Japan? --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925808371] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted... </cite> <quote>the world at large. mainly usa and its boys also determined that japan honoring their war criminals is ok. since the war criminals were only serving their country.</quote>That didn't start happening until 1959. The occupation ended in 1952. Did you want the US to re-invade Japan? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 08/08/19 5:14:20 PM #39:	DeadBankerDream posted... ModLogic posted... the world at large. mainly usa and its boys also determined that japan honoring their war criminals is ok. since the war criminals were only serving their country. That didn't start happening until 1959. The occupation ended in 1952. Did you want the US to re-invade Japan? hmm weird isn't it the first reply is. just let japan be japan. why do people flock to defend japanese war criminals? hmmmmm? --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:925808435] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote>ModLogic posted... </cite> <quote>the world at large. mainly usa and its boys also determined that japan honoring their war criminals is ok. since the war criminals were only serving their country.</quote>That didn't start happening until 1959. The occupation ended in 1952. Did you want the US to re-invade Japan? </quote> hmm weird isn't it the first reply is. just let japan be japan. why do people flock to defend japanese war criminals? hmmmmm?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/08/19 5:15:29 PM #40:	Questionmarktarius posted... Except, you know, rocket scientists. No they were guilty too, we just bailed their ass out of punishment because it was determined in a pure trolley problem ish fashion that it's better to have them work for us than work for nobody. Also because Truman has no morals. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:925808489] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Except, you know, rocket scientists.</quote> No they were guilty too, we just bailed their ass out of punishment because it was determined in a pure trolley problem ish fashion that it's better to have them work for us than work for nobody. Also because Truman has no morals. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigDD67 08/08/19 5:15:37 PM #41:	Duncanwii posted... Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Did he have the ability to choose his post? He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave And then die. Do you know anything about facism? --- Am I evil? Yes I *** am!! <cite>BigDD67 posted [p:925808492] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Did he have the ability to choose his post?</quote> He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave</quote> And then die. Do you know anything about facism?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/08/19 5:16:59 PM #42:	That's an extremely dishonest reading of my response, but its not like I expected better. --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925808536] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>That's an extremely dishonest reading of my response, but its not like I expected better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 08/08/19 5:23:41 PM #43:	I can't believe there are literal "just following orders" apologists on this board. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://imgur.com/BLrKxEd https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:925808806] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>I can't believe there are literal "just following orders" apologists on this board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 08/08/19 5:26:01 PM #44:	EternalDivide posted... Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials. Not sure if ignorant or a troll. Germany has never shyed away from their crimes during the holocaust. Instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretending it didnt happen they go to great lengths to try and make sure it never happens again. Something many other countries with decades of war crimes could learn from. --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:925808902] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>EternalDivide posted... </cite> <quote>Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials.</quote> Not sure if ignorant or a troll. Germany has never shyed away from their crimes during the holocaust. Instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretending it didnt happen they go to great lengths to try and make sure it never happens again. Something many other countries with decades of war crimes could learn from. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/08/19 5:26:44 PM #45:	Jagr_68 posted... I can't believe there are literal "just following orders" apologists on this board. Really? You can't even believe that Duncanwii is one? --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925808933] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Jagr_68 posted... </cite> <quote>I can't believe there are literal "just following orders" apologists on this board.</quote>Really? You can't even believe that Duncanwii is one? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 08/08/19 5:37:58 PM #46:	Crepes posted... EternalDivide posted... Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials. Not sure if ignorant or a troll. Germany has never shyed away from their crimes during the holocaust. Instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretending it didnt happen they go to great lengths to try and make sure it never happens again. Something many other countries with decades of war crimes could learn from. yea he seems to have germany confused with japan. --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:925809369] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Crepes posted...</cite> <quote>EternalDivide posted... </cite> <quote>Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials.</quote> Not sure if ignorant or a troll. Germany has never shyed away from their crimes during the holocaust. Instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretending it didnt happen they go to great lengths to try and make sure it never happens again. Something many other countries with decades of war crimes could learn from. </quote> yea he seems to have germany confused with japan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 08/08/19 11:31:03 PM #47:	Up --- I use Gameraven and you should too. "I don't f****** care about anyone's penis but mine..." - Machete <cite>teepan95 posted [p:925823838] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 08/08/19 11:38:20 PM #48:	BigDD67 posted... Duncanwii posted... Hairistotle posted... nemu posted... Did he have the ability to choose his post? He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave And then die. Do you know anything about facism? Better to die than be complicit in the deaths of thousands you fucking bootlickers. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:925824066] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>BigDD67 posted...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Did he have the ability to choose his post?</quote> He had the ability to say no or attempt to leave</quote> And then die. Do you know anything about facism?</quote></quote> Better to die than be complicit in the deaths of thousands you fucking bootlickers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 08/08/19 11:44:06 PM #49:	This topic sure showed how many users on CE would be accessories to genocide rather than just having an honorable (albeit unknown) death. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:925824246] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>This topic sure showed how many users on CE would be accessories to genocide rather than just having an honorable (albeit unknown) death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 08/08/19 11:57:13 PM #50:	Kein Raum fr Nazis EternalDivide posted... Another one of these huh. He cut the grass there and it wasn't as if he or any other menial grunt could say no to his duties under that regime. Let's hold him personally responsible for the holocaust! He's just as bad as Hitler! Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials. The SS were not menial grunts and the Clean Wehrmacht Myth is just that. --- https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN Take better care of your teeth and f***, a lot more. <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:925824673] in 92-year-ol... [t:77925080]...</cite> <quote>Kein Raum fr Nazis EternalDivide posted...</cite> <quote>Another one of these huh. He cut the grass there and it wasn't as if he or any other menial grunt could say no to his duties under that regime. Let's hold him personally responsible for the holocaust! He's just as bad as Hitler! Give be a break. Nothing but ridiculous irrational virtue signaling Germans thinking they can make up for what they approved of 80 years ago by committing to another one of these circus trials.</quote> The SS were not menial grunts and the Clean Wehrmacht Myth is just that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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