Current Events > Mind blowing concept: What if there was more than 1 cause for mass shootings?

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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 4:47:45 PM
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/sarcasm

For real though. Seeing all these people argue online about what the cause is...and I think its ridiculous people try to pinpoint it down to one thing.

-Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
-Easy access to assault weapons
-Mental health is nearly impossible to afford for anyone needing it
-Mental healthy stigmas
-overworked Americans who dont get enough vacation time
-White males

ANY of the above can be the reason. Arguing that its just a mental health issue is false. Yet, admitting that would mean people would go against their political affiliations. Lawd.

Its all fucked up and broken. The whole system. How depressing...
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Hop103
08/04/19 4:52:17 PM
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There are two causes of mass shootings

Poor parenting (especially helicopter parenting) and mental illness.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 4:53:59 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
half of these have been around on for decades. they dont explain the uptick in shootings. men arent raising men anymore thats the issue and then these kids bottle up their emotions until they snap.


Men arent raising men? What does that even mean?

Although I do agree about bottling up emotions. Kids arent being raised correctly. I think in general, expressing feelings and talking through issues is being suppressed. Its a problem. So is false positivity.

Put a smile on is a bullshit thing to tell someone whos upset. How about actually ask them whats wrong? There isnt enough human connection in the world anymore, which is ironic considering that were connected more than ever now with technology and the internet.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 4:54:59 PM
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M_Live posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
I honestly don't feel that this is a contributing factor


You dont think glorification of guns and war in the media is a contributing factor? The US has been pumping out propaganda through war movies for decades.
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Benjamin_Sisko
08/04/19 4:55:43 PM
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Hexenherz
08/04/19 4:56:24 PM
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you mean like what if it wasn't just Grand Auto Theft but something else lik Haloe?
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SmidgeIsntBack
08/04/19 4:56:49 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
men arent raising men


Hey what
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Sad_Face
08/04/19 4:57:24 PM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
-White males

Don't do this.
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PleaseClap
08/04/19 4:57:36 PM
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SmidgeIsntBack posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
men arent raising men


Hey what

I have the feeling that their next post is going to be talking about "soyboys"
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masterpug53
08/04/19 4:59:04 PM
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M_Live posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
I honestly don't feel that this is a contributing factor


It's been the knee-jerk deflection for almost thirty years now, and I don't expect those knees will get any less jerky in the next thirty years either.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 4:59:28 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Men arent raising men? What does that even mean?

pretty self explanatory.

discipline, responsibility, strength, self respect. these arent taught anymore. kids are entrenched in video games and social media and are completely detached from reality.


What do any of those traits have to do with men?
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apocalyptic_4
08/04/19 5:01:09 PM
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What belief system do all these mass shooters share
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:01:34 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
M_Live posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
I honestly don't feel that this is a contributing factor


It's been the knee-jerk deflection for almost thirty years now, and I don't expect those knees will get any less jerky in the next thirty years either.


I dont think theyre entirely wrong, though. I dont think its THE cause, but I think subliminally it can mess with peoples minds.

Yes, certain people who are already messed up will be more prone to letting media influence them. I get that argument. But, theres definitely something to be said about desensitization to violence that can make people more apathetic towards their fellow human beings.
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Smashingpmkns
08/04/19 5:02:14 PM
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Violence in media has been a thing, in most countries, since forever yet America is the country with all of these mass shootings. The leading cause is our obsession with guns, which predates video games, violence in movies, etc. Sure some cases involve mental illness, but not all of them. Saying the El Paso shooting was a result of mental illness is wrong. Dude was a alt right terrorist.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:02:29 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Men arent raising men? What does that even mean?

pretty self explanatory.

discipline, responsibility, strength, self respect. these arent taught anymore. kids are entrenched in video games and social media and are completely detached from reality.


What do any of those traits have to do with men?

oh god. one of them... ok let me reword that. parents arent raising decent human beings. better?


Yes. Im far from a feminist, but men raising men is not a good way to word what you were actually trying to say.
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Tequilawhatitdo
08/04/19 5:02:39 PM
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Benjamin_Sisko posted...
how many of the shooters had a gf


I actually am curious about this.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:03:15 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Violence in media has been a thing, in most countries, since forever yet America is the country with all of these mass shootings. The leading cause is our obsession with guns, which predates video games, violence in movies, etc. Sure some cases involve mental illness, but not all of them. Saying the El Paso shooting was a result of mental illness is wrong. Dude was a alt right terrorist.


Why do you think Americans are so obsessed with guns? The media.

Other countries are equally obsessed with guns. They just have more restrictive laws in place.
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DrizztLink
08/04/19 5:04:25 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
PleaseClap posted...
SmidgeIsntBack posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
men arent raising men


Hey what

I have the feeling that their next post is going to be talking about "soyboys"

you tried

CloneTheHero posted...

oh god. one of them... ok let me reword that. parents arent raising decent human beings. better?

Well, it was his second post, so half credit to @PleaseClap
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CommonStar
08/04/19 5:05:23 PM
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But without a gun, they wouldn't have been able to kill that many people in that short amount of time.
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SmidgeIsntBack
08/04/19 5:05:55 PM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Men arent raising men? What does that even mean?

pretty self explanatory.

discipline, responsibility, strength, self respect. these arent taught anymore. kids are entrenched in video games and social media and are completely detached from reality.


What do any of those traits have to do with men?

oh god. one of them... ok let me reword that. parents arent raising decent human beings. better?


Yes. Im far from a feminist, but men raising men is not a good way to word what you were actually trying to say.


I suspect if we pull this thread, we'll see some more of that original rhetoric.
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Tequilawhatitdo
08/04/19 5:05:59 PM
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Media plays a much bigger role than movies, video games, etc.
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hockeybub89
08/04/19 5:06:14 PM
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:07:51 PM
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Tequilawhatitdo posted...
Media plays a much bigger role than movies, video games, etc.


Movies and video games are part of the media. Unless youre referring to social media?
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Smashingpmkns
08/04/19 5:08:05 PM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Violence in media has been a thing, in most countries, since forever yet America is the country with all of these mass shootings. The leading cause is our obsession with guns, which predates video games, violence in movies, etc. Sure some cases involve mental illness, but not all of them. Saying the El Paso shooting was a result of mental illness is wrong. Dude was a alt right terrorist.


Why do you think Americans are so obsessed with guns? The media.

Other countries are equally obsessed with guns. They just have more restrictive laws in place.


I wouldnt blame their obsession on media. People have been collecting and shooting guns as a hobby forever now. And mass shootings weren't happening every day when movies like Rambo were in theaters.
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Tequilawhatitdo
08/04/19 5:08:40 PM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
Tequilawhatitdo posted...
Media plays a much bigger role than movies, video games, etc.


Movies and video games are part of the media. Unless youre referring to social media?


Social media, news, etc. I dont see blaming fiction. My bad.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:09:22 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Men arent raising men? What does that even mean?

pretty self explanatory.

discipline, responsibility, strength, self respect. these arent taught anymore. kids are entrenched in video games and social media and are completely detached from reality.


What do any of those traits have to do with men?

oh god. one of them... ok let me reword that. parents arent raising decent human beings. better?


Yes. Im far from a feminist, but men raising men is not a good way to word what you were actually trying to say.

no my wording was perfect. it is in fact men who are committing these crimes not women.


Your wording was far from perfect. Yes, men commit these crimes way more. But those traits dont define solely men.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:11:19 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Violence in media has been a thing, in most countries, since forever yet America is the country with all of these mass shootings. The leading cause is our obsession with guns, which predates video games, violence in movies, etc. Sure some cases involve mental illness, but not all of them. Saying the El Paso shooting was a result of mental illness is wrong. Dude was a alt right terrorist.


Why do you think Americans are so obsessed with guns? The media.

Other countries are equally obsessed with guns. They just have more restrictive laws in place.


I wouldnt blame their obsession on media. People have been collecting and shooting guns as a hobby forever now. And mass shootings weren't happening every day when movies like Rambo were in theaters.


Guess what made Rambo massively popular and successful though? Shock value from the massive amounts of guns and killing that movie had. That kind of violent media paved the way for it to become acceptable and the norm
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Banana_Cyanide
08/04/19 5:13:43 PM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
-Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
-Easy access to assault weapons
-Mental health is nearly impossible to afford for anyone needing it
-Mental healthy stigmas
-overworked Americans who dont get enough vacation time
-White males

What the fuck is an "assault weapon" and why has no one called racism for that last one?
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:17:06 PM
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Clone, youre definitely saying that those traits are what make men men. And thats fairly sexist, honestly. No one is refuting that men are doing these shootings. Im simply telling you that its ignorant to label those traits as things that make people men.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:18:33 PM
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Banana_Cyanide posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
-Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
-Easy access to assault weapons
-Mental health is nearly impossible to afford for anyone needing it
-Mental healthy stigmas
-overworked Americans who dont get enough vacation time
-White males

What the fuck is an "assault weapon" and why has no one called racism for that last one?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Look its pretty easy to google something. I guess youre not good at doing it, so I did it for you. There you go. Educate yourself.
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BadderHare
08/04/19 5:19:11 PM
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These guys are literally leaving manifestos explaining the exact reason for the shootings and people are still like uhhhhhhhh video games? no vacation time?

Why do people have such a problem admitting right-wing politics as the cause?
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:21:04 PM
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CloneTheHero posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Clone, youre definitely saying that those traits are what make men men. And thats fairly sexist, honestly. No one is refuting that men are doing these shootings. Im simply telling you that its ignorant to label those traits as things that make people men.

youre being overly fastidious. i was not being sexist. i never said those traits were exclusive to men, but it is in fact men who lack these traits in todays society.

do you understand?


Men arent raising men is a direct quote from you. What do you not understand? Did you forget you wrote that?

Jesus. Daft.
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meestermj
08/04/19 5:21:59 PM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
-Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc

This has been proven false so many times it doesn't deserve a response.

MFBKBass5 posted...
-Easy access to assault weapons

Give me a definition for "assault weapons". I'd like to know exactly what we're discussing.

MFBKBass5 posted...
-Mental health is nearly impossible to afford for anyone needing it
-Mental healthy stigmas
-overworked Americans who dont get enough vacation time

These I can agree on.

MFBKBass5 posted...
-White males

Shut the fuck up.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:22:20 PM
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BadderHare posted...
These guys are literally leaving manifestos explaining the exact reason for the shootings and people are still like uhhhhhhhh video games? no vacation time?

Why do people have such a problem admitting right-wing politics as the cause?


Because blaming an entire political party isnt how we get things fixed. Yes, racism is one of the causes too. But saying its the republicans fault fixes nothing. Instead, why not promote acceptance and love to all?
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COVxy
08/04/19 5:22:43 PM
#45:


CloneTheHero hasn't been active lately or has their activity feed set to private.


Honestly, don't bother.
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BadderHare
08/04/19 5:23:25 PM
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MFBKBass5 posted...
Because blaming an entire political party isnt how we get things fixed. Yes, racism is one of the causes too. But saying its the republicans fault fixes nothing. Instead, why not promote acceptance and love to all?

Damn you are delusional.
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IloveJesus
08/04/19 5:23:35 PM
#47:


MFBKBass5 posted...
M_Live posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
I honestly don't feel that this is a contributing factor


You dont think glorification of guns and war in the media is a contributing factor? The US has been pumping out propaganda through war movies for decades.


Yeah, it has, but the rest of the world consumes that media. Here in the UK we watch as much of it as anybody else. Despite this, and our many, many other faults as a country, we don't have anything like the same issue.
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COVxy
08/04/19 5:25:01 PM
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IloveJesus posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
M_Live posted...
MFBKBass5 posted...
Extreme violence in the media, movies, video games, etc
I honestly don't feel that this is a contributing factor


You dont think glorification of guns and war in the media is a contributing factor? The US has been pumping out propaganda through war movies for decades.


Yeah, it has, but the rest of the world consumes that media. Here in the UK we watch as much of it as anybody else. Despite this, and our many, many other faults as a country, we don't have anything like the same issue.


This logic is extremely flawed.

All the things you stated can be true and it can still be a contributing factor.
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MFBKBass5
08/04/19 5:25:23 PM
#51:


You guys are trying to pinpoint these mass shootings on one issue and one issue alone. It isnt that simple.

Did anyone even read the topic title? Lolz
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Damn_Underscore
08/04/19 5:25:52 PM
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This topic became a joke when you said "white males" are a reason for the shooting. Literally no further explanation either, just those two words.
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