Current Events > I dont understand why I'm obligated as a Pokemon fan to hate Sword and Shield.

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DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:08:52 AM #52:	Veggeta_MAX posted... JE19426 posted... A bunch of Pokemon won't be available in Pokemon Sword and Shield. By "won't be available" I don't mean "can't be catched" I mean you can't get them by trading, or importing either, they won't exist in any way shape or form. This is made more controversial by Gamefreaks statement that the reason not all Pokemon are available, is to make the Pokemon that are in higher quality, but all the previews show very little improvement from the 3DS games. This is not an earth shattering deal breaker. It is when it involves (unethically) rolling back a promise made about a paid service. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925425366] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta_MAX posted...</cite> <quote>JE19426 posted... </cite> <quote>A bunch of Pokemon won't be available in Pokemon Sword and Shield. By "won't be available" I don't mean "can't be catched" I mean you can't get them by trading, or importing either, they won't exist in any way shape or form. This is made more controversial by Gamefreaks statement that the reason not all Pokemon are available, is to make the Pokemon that are in higher quality, but all the previews show very little improvement from the 3DS games.</quote>This is not an earth shattering deal breaker. </quote> It is when it involves (unethically) rolling back a promise made about a paid service.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/31/19 10:09:14 AM #53:	DezDroppedFreak posted... Its your right to like shitty games from a bad series that plays 100% on nostalgia How does it only play on nostalgia when each new entry gets tons of new fans? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:925425384] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DezDroppedFreak posted...</cite> <quote>Its your right to like shitty games from a bad series that plays 100% on nostalgia </quote> How does it only play on nostalgia when each new entry gets tons of new fans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 07/31/19 10:09:25 AM #54:	Honestly the dex cull doesnt bother me as much as the stupid Embiggen gimmick. either way Im skipping this generation. Pokmon has been going in a bad direction for a while and Sun and Moon made me lose all interest. >_> --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif If Yamcha would have brought his bat along he'd have blasted Jiren out of the ring like Ness in smash brothers. - Gids_goft <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:925425395] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Honestly the dex cull doesnt bother me as much as the stupid Embiggen gimmick. either way Im skipping this generation. Pokmon has been going in a bad direction for a while and Sun and Moon made me lose all interest. >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 07/31/19 10:09:51 AM #55:	Duncanwii posted... ou know they didnt have to make the wild area. That non linear open area with overworld pokemon and a moveable camera fans have been begging for since gen 6? They could have gone the lazy route like you claim they are and just made it just a one path route to the next town like in Sun and Moon. But they actually did somdthing the fans wanted and look where it got them. I wouldnt be surprised if in the next game they said "screw the fans theyre just entitled brats who dont sppreciate it when we try to give them things they want." Cause in reality its never enough and it makes me sad. Okay you're trolling. Its weird how people generally seem to not take to you. --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:925425402] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>ou know they didnt have to make the wild area. That non linear open area with overworld pokemon and a moveable camera fans have been begging for since gen 6? They could have gone the lazy route like you claim they are and just made it just a one path route to the next town like in Sun and Moon. But they actually did somdthing the fans wanted and look where it got them. I wouldnt be surprised if in the next game they said "screw the fans theyre just entitled brats who dont sppreciate it when we try to give them things they want." Cause in reality its never enough and it makes me sad.</quote> Okay you're trolling. Its weird how people generally seem to not take to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 10:13:12 AM #56:	DarkChozoGhost posted... I've explained it several times in this topic already. Are you feigning ignorance or do you not know how to scroll up? Pokebank has no bearing on whether or not Sword and Shield themselves will be quality products. Besides, they didnt go back on their promise, you can still transfer Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex therefore their contract still stands. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925425514] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>I've explained it several times in this topic already. Are you feigning ignorance or do you not know how to scroll up?</quote> Pokebank has no bearing on whether or not Sword and Shield themselves will be quality products. Besides, they didnt go back on their promise, you can still transfer Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex therefore their contract still stands.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:13:16 AM #57:	Hey @Duncanwii why do you not even mind that Gamefreak is doing something objectively unethical, rolling back promises on a paid service? It would be one thing if you decided you want the game more than you dislike the unethical decision they made, but you seem to entirely fine with their unethical behavior altogether. Why is that? --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925425520] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Hey @Duncanwii why do you not even mind that Gamefreak is doing something objectively unethical, rolling back promises on a paid service? It would be one thing if you decided you want the game more than you dislike the unethical decision they made, but you seem to entirely fine with their unethical behavior altogether. Why is that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sauceje 07/31/19 10:14:51 AM #58:	When their excuse for cutting out pokemon is so they can provide higher quality designs for the pokemon they do include in the game, and then we get shit like T-posing Wingull and those horrendous battle animations where the pokemon just kinda spins slightly to do a double kick, I can't help but laugh. Get fucked GameFreak. If anyone wants to see what Sword and Shield should look like, glance over at Pokemon Masters. That looks like a properly animated game and it's not even made by Gamefreak (that's probably why it looks decent). Sadly Sword and Shield will probably still sell like hotcakes and Nintendo will just enable GF to keep cutting back, since it won't hurt their bottom line. --- He was born in a coop, raised in a cage, children fear him, critics rage, He's half alive, he's half dead, folks just call him Buckethead <cite>sauceje posted [p:925425572] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>When their excuse for cutting out pokemon is so they can provide higher quality designs for the pokemon they do include in the game, and then we get shit like T-posing Wingull and those horrendous battle animations where the pokemon just kinda spins slightly to do a double kick, I can't help but laugh. Get fucked GameFreak. If anyone wants to see what Sword and Shield should look like, glance over at Pokemon Masters. That looks like a properly animated game and it's not even made by Gamefreak (that's probably why it looks decent). Sadly Sword and Shield will probably still sell like hotcakes and Nintendo will just enable GF to keep cutting back, since it won't hurt their bottom line. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:15:05 AM #59:	Duncanwii posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... I've explained it several times in this topic already. Are you feigning ignorance or do you not know how to scroll up? Pokebank has no bearing on whether or not Sword and Shield themselves will be quality products. Besides, they didnt go back on their promise, you can still transfer Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex therefore their contract still stands. Rolling back the implication of a promise through a fine print technicality is still unethical, even if it's not illegal. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925425582] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>I've explained it several times in this topic already. Are you feigning ignorance or do you not know how to scroll up?</quote> Pokebank has no bearing on whether or not Sword and Shield themselves will be quality products. Besides, they didnt go back on their promise, you can still transfer Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex therefore their contract still stands.</quote> Rolling back the implication of a promise through a fine print technicality is still unethical, even if it's not illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 07/31/19 10:15:47 AM #60:	AlisLandale posted... Honestly the dex cull doesnt bother me as much as the stupid Embiggen gimmick. either way Im skipping this generation. Pokmon has been going in a bad direction for a while and Sun and Moon made me lose all interest. >_> The worst thing about dynamaxing is that instead of just making the models they have bigger, I heard they made entirely new ones because Gamefreak SUCKS at competent programming and managing resources. They couldve instead spent that time on tuning up the laughable graphics, and literally just reusing their evergreen HD models they made at the beginning of the 3DS era and used through US/UM. --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. Mario Maker 2 Maker ID: X6G-JGS-BFG <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:925425613] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly the dex cull doesnt bother me as much as the stupid Embiggen gimmick. either way Im skipping this generation. Pokmon has been going in a bad direction for a while and Sun and Moon made me lose all interest. >_> </quote> The worst thing about dynamaxing is that instead of just making the models they have bigger, I heard they made entirely new ones because Gamefreak SUCKS at competent programming and managing resources. They couldve instead spent that time on tuning up the laughable graphics, and literally just reusing their evergreen HD models they made at the beginning of the 3DS era and used through US/UM.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 07/31/19 10:16:25 AM #61:	Veggeta_MAX posted... This is not an earth shattering deal breaker. To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:925425643] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta_MAX posted...</cite> <quote>This is not an earth shattering deal breaker.</quote> To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TetsuoS2 07/31/19 10:17:26 AM #62:	Why do you bother? If you feel like you like it then just ignore the people who make you feel like you have to hate it. --- FGO NA ID: 973,333,976 Support List Image: https://imgur.com/Qdw5kXh <cite>TetsuoS2 posted [p:925425684] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Why do you bother? If you feel like you like it then just ignore the people who make you feel like you have to hate it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
konokonohamaru 07/31/19 10:18:05 AM #63:	You're not obligated. Don't let anyone tell you what you can and can't be a fan of --- ... <cite>konokonohamaru posted [p:925425704] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>You're not obligated. Don't let anyone tell you what you can and can't be a fan of</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 10:21:57 AM #64:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Duncanwii posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... I've explained it several times in this topic already. Are you feigning ignorance or do you not know how to scroll up? Pokebank has no bearing on whether or not Sword and Shield themselves will be quality products. Besides, they didnt go back on their promise, you can still transfer Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex therefore their contract still stands. Rolling back the implication of a promise through a fine print technicality is still unethical, even if it's not illegal. People have said all sorts of things theyve done are unethical. Trading, the dream world, if I remember correctly people were calling Pokebank itself unethical when it first came out. Why should I care? --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925425842] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>I've explained it several times in this topic already. Are you feigning ignorance or do you not know how to scroll up?</quote> Pokebank has no bearing on whether or not Sword and Shield themselves will be quality products. Besides, they didnt go back on their promise, you can still transfer Pokemon in the Galar Pokedex therefore their contract still stands.</quote> Rolling back the implication of a promise through a fine print technicality is still unethical, even if it's not illegal.</quote> People have said all sorts of things theyve done are unethical. Trading, the dream world, if I remember correctly people were calling Pokebank itself unethical when it first came out. Why should I care?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 07/31/19 10:22:08 AM #65:	If cutting pokemon means better graphics then every flying type with feet should have a friggin grounded animation. Sadly we still have to go the whole battle with a floating Salamence because they can be bothered to not reuse models for a stupig gimmick they threw out 2 gamea ago like all the others Also, the pokebank thing IS unethical as previously stated. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:925425852] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>If cutting pokemon means better graphics then every flying type with feet should have a friggin grounded animation. Sadly we still have to go the whole battle with a floating Salamence because they can be bothered to not reuse models for a stupig gimmick they threw out 2 gamea ago like all the others Also, the pokebank thing IS unethical as previously stated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:26:08 AM #66:	Duncanwii posted... People have said all sorts of things theyve done are unethical That doesn't matter. Rolling back the implication of a promise made about a paid service through a fine print technicality is objectively unethical, even if it's not illegal. Are you outright ok with an objectively unethical decision? Shrugging is off is different than outright condoning it, which you are doing. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925425984] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>People have said all sorts of things theyve done are unethical</quote> That doesn't matter. Rolling back the implication of a promise made about a paid service through a fine print technicality is objectively unethical, even if it's not illegal. Are you outright ok with an objectively unethical decision? Shrugging is off is different than outright condoning it, which you are doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnvoyOfTheLight 07/31/19 10:29:32 AM #67:	tldr They're said they're cutting pokemon to work on the graphics, but the graphics are still shit. --- I am The Light's Envoy, here to redeem you of your wicked ways! GuideGuideGuide is Evening_Dragon is Guide <cite>EnvoyOfTheLight posted [p:925426105] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>tldr They're said they're cutting pokemon to work on the graphics, but the graphics are still shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 07/31/19 10:33:56 AM #68:	JE19426 posted... To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is. The people are outraging over this is being extreme. They should be shamed hard for it. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:925426264] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>JE19426 posted... </cite> <quote>To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is.</quote>The people are outraging over this is being extreme. They should be shamed hard for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnvoyOfTheLight 07/31/19 10:34:51 AM #69:	Veggeta_MAX posted... JE19426 posted... To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is. The people are outraging over this is being extreme. They should be shamed hard for it. low effort --- I am The Light's Envoy, here to redeem you of your wicked ways! GuideGuideGuide is Evening_Dragon is Guide <cite>EnvoyOfTheLight posted [p:925426294] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta_MAX posted...</cite> <quote>JE19426 posted... </cite> <quote>To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is.</quote>The people are outraging over this is being extreme. They should be shamed hard for it. </quote> low effort</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 07/31/19 10:35:38 AM #70:	Nessa is hot. <cite>coh posted [p:925426324] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Nessa is hot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 10:36:24 AM #71:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Duncanwii posted... People have said all sorts of things theyve done are unethical That doesn't matter. Rolling back the implication of a promise made about a paid service through a fine print technicality is objectively unethical, even if it's not illegal. Are you outright ok with an objectively unethical decision? Shrugging is off is different than outright condoning it, which you are doing. Im not condoning it. I just dont care. Honesty this isnt going to effect me since I never use Pokebank anyway. Im sorry for the people who wont get to transfer that Infernape theyve been transferring since Diamond version but really what Ill do is buy the game, play it and enjoy it like i have been for the last 25 years. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925426357] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>People have said all sorts of things theyve done are unethical</quote> That doesn't matter. Rolling back the implication of a promise made about a paid service through a fine print technicality is objectively unethical, even if it's not illegal. Are you outright ok with an objectively unethical decision? Shrugging is off is different than outright condoning it, which you are doing.</quote> Im not condoning it. I just dont care. Honesty this isnt going to effect me since I never use Pokebank anyway. Im sorry for the people who wont get to transfer that Infernape theyve been transferring since Diamond version but really what Ill do is buy the game, play it and enjoy it like i have been for the last 25 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 07/31/19 10:38:02 AM #72:	I find the pokebank thing a gray area. I dont think anyone who was honest with themselves expected it to work forever. But cutting it off after one generation seems too abrupt. in any event, Super Sword and Duper Shield might have compatibility, so I also think its dumb to jump the gun on the hate wagon because one set of games doesnt allow it. --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif If Yamcha would have brought his bat along he'd have blasted Jiren out of the ring like Ness in smash brothers. - Gids_goft <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:925426407] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>I find the pokebank thing a gray area. I dont think anyone who was honest with themselves expected it to work forever. But cutting it off after one generation seems too abrupt. in any event, Super Sword and Duper Shield might have compatibility, so I also think its dumb to jump the gun on the hate wagon because one set of games doesnt allow it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:39:05 AM #73:	@Veggeta_MAX posted... JE19426 posted... To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is. The people are outraging over this is being extreme. They should be shamed hard for it. People should not be shamed for being upset about the unethical decision by gamefreak to roll back a promise made about a paid service. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925426450] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>@Veggeta_MAX posted...</cite> <quote>JE19426 posted... </cite> <quote>To you or I, maybe not, but to others it is.</quote>The people are outraging over this is being extreme. They should be shamed hard for it. </quote> People should not be shamed for being upset about the unethical decision by gamefreak to roll back a promise made about a paid service.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 07/31/19 10:41:58 AM #74:	EnvoyOfTheLight posted... low effort LMAO I'm sure you all believe you're being super reasonable. DarkChozoGhost posted... People should not be shamed for being upset about the unethical decision by gamefreak to roll back a promise made about a paid service. Wait, don't you complain about trivial things all the time anyway? Makes perfect sense. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:925426564] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>EnvoyOfTheLight posted... </cite> <quote>low effort</quote>LMAO I'm sure you all believe you're being super reasonable. DarkChozoGhost posted... </cite> <quote>People should not be shamed for being upset about the unethical decision by gamefreak to roll back a promise made about a paid service.</quote>Wait, don't you complain about trivial things all the time anyway? Makes perfect sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:44:37 AM #75:	Taking money from people based on a lie is not trivial. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925426671] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Taking money from people based on a lie is not trivial.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 10:46:28 AM #76:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Taking money from people based on a lie is not trivial. It isnt a lie though. You can still transfer Pokemon, just only the ones in the Galar dex. Legally you have no leg to stand on and too be frank if this ever did go to court it would get tossed out because of that fact. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925426754] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Taking money from people based on a lie is not trivial.</quote> It isnt a lie though. You can still transfer Pokemon, just only the ones in the Galar dex. Legally you have no leg to stand on and too be frank if this ever did go to court it would get tossed out because of that fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:49:57 AM #77:	Duncanwii posted... It isnt a lie though. Yes, it is. The implication of a promise is important. Rolling back the implication of a promise through a fine print technicality is still unethical, even if it's not illegal. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925426869] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>It isnt a lie though. </quote> Yes, it is. The implication of a promise is important. Rolling back the implication of a promise through a fine print technicality is still unethical, even if it's not illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mattnd2007 07/31/19 10:51:53 AM #78:	Honestly I'm just glad to have a console Pokemon game lol I can't do the small screen thing anymore --- Show me a man who resorts to violence and I'll show you a man who's run out of good ideas Phil Funnie <cite>mattnd2007 posted [p:925426957] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I'm just glad to have a console Pokemon game lol I can't do the small screen thing anymore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 10:52:20 AM #79:	DarkChozoGhost posted... implication There it is. Did they ever actually say, in print, that at all times for the rest of time that their service will be available for all Pokemon. If they didnt then again this wont hold up in court. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925426977] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>implication</quote> There it is. Did they ever actually say, in print, that at all times for the rest of time that their service will be available for all Pokemon. If they didnt then again this wont hold up in court.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 07/31/19 10:52:31 AM #80:	Duncanwii posted... Yes they did. Unless you want to call breeding, natures, abilities, the physical/special split, hidden abilities, snd mega evolution "minimal improvements." Also every game improved and streamlined breeding and training making it easier and easier each game to get a competitive team ready in a increasingly shorter amount of time. It is laughsble you can look at me and tell me this series hasny improved over time. I didn't say that it hasn't improved. Of course it has. I said that they made minimal improvements. Enough to keep people buying more games. The infrastructure has needed to be reworked for a long time. There are certain quality of life features that every JRPG has that Pokemon has refused to adopt. Anyway, despite all that, I would still have bought Sword and Shield without this whole fiasco. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:925426988] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>Yes they did. Unless you want to call breeding, natures, abilities, the physical/special split, hidden abilities, snd mega evolution "minimal improvements." Also every game improved and streamlined breeding and training making it easier and easier each game to get a competitive team ready in a increasingly shorter amount of time. It is laughsble you can look at me and tell me this series hasny improved over time.</quote>I didn't say that it hasn't improved. Of course it has. I said that they made minimal improvements. Enough to keep people buying more games. The infrastructure has needed to be reworked for a long time. There are certain quality of life features that every JRPG has that Pokemon has refused to adopt. Anyway, despite all that, I would still have bought Sword and Shield without this whole fiasco. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 10:55:41 AM #81:	Duncanwii posted... Did they ever actually say, in print, that at all times for the rest of time that their service will be available for all Pokemo It literally does not matter. The implication of a promise is important. It is unethical even if it's legal. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925427113] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Did they ever actually say, in print, that at all times for the rest of time that their service will be available for all Pokemo</quote> It literally does not matter. The implication of a promise is important. It is unethical even if it's legal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/31/19 11:01:27 AM #82:	Cheese_Crackers posted... Hexenherz posted... What's the controversy with this game exactly? I've seen that a lot of people are upset about it but I don't know why. Far as I can tell, it's because not all 807 Pokemon will be available in Sword and Shield. This happened once or twice before when the games went to a new platform. When Ruby and Sapphire came out for the GBA, it was impossible to trade old Pokemon from Red, Blue and Yellow. Until the remakes for the originals, and Emerald version, came out you simply couldn't obtain a chunk of them. I think it may have happened again temporarily when X and Y moved to the 3DS, before Pokemon Bank was available. The Switch doesn't use Pokemon Bank, I guess, so all of your Pokemon from previous games are toast. Now, they've said that the missing Pokemon simply won't be programmed into the game, making them impossible to obtain in any form. This could be changed later, but it would be a massive undertaking for a patch. Honestly it seems symptomatic of a larger problem. The franchise has made extremely minimal improvements every gen, banking on a fan base captivated by nostalgia. Even the most basic improvements - like having quick access to battle items (Poke balls, potions, etc.) during battle - didn't happen until gen 4. Fans are getting the feeling that the company is phoning it in. I think they did a long time ago, especially since they've continued to have multiple versions of essentially the same game every time. But I haven't been as big of a fan for a long time now, so I'm not that shook. What gen did they do the physical/ mental split? Because that was a huge improvement that took a game series from barely playable to great <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:925427303] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Cheese_Crackers posted...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>What's the controversy with this game exactly? I've seen that a lot of people are upset about it but I don't know why.</quote>Far as I can tell, it's because not all 807 Pokemon will be available in Sword and Shield. This happened once or twice before when the games went to a new platform. When Ruby and Sapphire came out for the GBA, it was impossible to trade old Pokemon from Red, Blue and Yellow. Until the remakes for the originals, and Emerald version, came out you simply couldn't obtain a chunk of them. I think it may have happened again temporarily when X and Y moved to the 3DS, before Pokemon Bank was available. The Switch doesn't use Pokemon Bank, I guess, so all of your Pokemon from previous games are toast. Now, they've said that the missing Pokemon simply won't be programmed into the game, making them impossible to obtain in any form. This could be changed later, but it would be a massive undertaking for a patch. Honestly it seems symptomatic of a larger problem. The franchise has made extremely minimal improvements every gen, banking on a fan base captivated by nostalgia. Even the most basic improvements - like having quick access to battle items (Poke balls, potions, etc.) during battle - didn't happen until gen 4. Fans are getting the feeling that the company is phoning it in. I think they did a long time ago, especially since they've continued to have multiple versions of essentially the same game every time. But I haven't been as big of a fan for a long time now, so I'm not that shook. </quote> What gen did they do the physical/ mental split? Because that was a huge improvement that took a game series from barely playable to great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 07/31/19 11:01:58 AM #83:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Taking money from people based on a lie is not trivial. You must be new to Nintendo. All this time and you picked this game to start your revolt? How convenient. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:925427329] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted... </cite> <quote>Taking money from people based on a lie is not trivial.</quote>You must be new to Nintendo. All this time and you picked this game to start your revolt? How convenient. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 11:02:13 AM #84:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Duncanwii posted... Did they ever actually say, in print, that at all times for the rest of time that their service will be available for all Pokemo It literally does not matter. The implication of a promise is important. It is unethical even if it's legal. It does matter. Because they arent going to go back on this, and the amount of people who will buy this game regardless are going to outweigh the people who are against it. So the only option people would have is a class action lawsuit of sorts. Which again will be thrown out unless the suing parties can prove that their service has been illegally revoked. Which they cannot because, as previously stated, at no point has Gamefreak ever said that for all time for the rest of time all Pokemon will be covered by their service. So your choices here are either, not buy the game and shut up or do buy the game anf shut up. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925427344] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Did they ever actually say, in print, that at all times for the rest of time that their service will be available for all Pokemo</quote> It literally does not matter. The implication of a promise is important. It is unethical even if it's legal.</quote> It does matter. Because they arent going to go back on this, and the amount of people who will buy this game regardless are going to outweigh the people who are against it. So the only option people would have is a class action lawsuit of sorts. Which again will be thrown out unless the suing parties can prove that their service has been illegally revoked. Which they cannot because, as previously stated, at no point has Gamefreak ever said that for all time for the rest of time all Pokemon will be covered by their service. So your choices here are either, not buy the game and shut up or do buy the game anf shut up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 07/31/19 11:02:27 AM #85:	Why are you all responding to this topic? Let him waste his money. --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:925427353] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Why are you all responding to this topic? Let him waste his money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 07/31/19 11:03:00 AM #86:	I wouldn't take anything DarkChozo has to say seriously. The dude always reaches to justify his complaints whenever he can. He does this with me every time. The skies always falling for people like him. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:925427375] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't take anything DarkChozo has to say seriously. The dude always reaches to justify his complaints whenever he can. He does this with me every time. The skies always falling for people like him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 11:06:23 AM #88:	Duncanwii posted... It does matter. We're talking about ethics, not legality. Implication matters for ethics. What they did is objectively unethical. Again, just because the game sells well doesn't mean gamefreak won't be hurt by the games falling short of sales predictions. 15 million would be good sales numbers, but if they're expecting 22 million that will hurt. That's what we're hoping for. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925427497] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote> It does matter.</quote> We're talking about ethics, not legality. Implication matters for ethics. What they did is objectively unethical. Again, just because the game sells well doesn't mean gamefreak won't be hurt by the games falling short of sales predictions. 15 million would be good sales numbers, but if they're expecting 22 million that will hurt. That's what we're hoping for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheese_Crackers 07/31/19 11:07:58 AM #89:	bobbaaay posted... What gen did they do the physical/ mental split? Because that was a huge improvement that took a game series from barely playable to great Gen 4. I agree that it was a huge improvement. --- Though the fear of death is a common one, the fear of life is a more rational one. <cite>Cheese_Crackers posted [p:925427559] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>bobbaaay posted... </cite> <quote>What gen did they do the physical/ mental split? Because that was a huge improvement that took a game series from barely playable to great</quote>Gen 4. I agree that it was a huge improvement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 11:18:48 AM #91:	I felt that my last post was a little too assholish so i deleted it out of respect for myself and my opponent. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925427957] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>I felt that my last post was a little too assholish so i deleted it out of respect for myself and my opponent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 11:32:02 AM #92:	Duncanwii posted... So your choices here are either, not buy the game and shut up or do buy the game anf shut up. Or, I can continue to criticize them for their unethical decision, and continue to criticize people defending it. It would be a good thing for the game to fall short of sales expectations. Even if they game still makes a large profit, if it falls significantly short of sales expectations, it can hurt gamefreak. That would be a good thing. I will continue to bring attention to the ethics behind this terrible choice of theirs. Bad PR is good for us. If gamefreak loses money over this choice (again, the game can still make millions, but falling short of projections is losing money), that will be a good thing that will hopefully lead to them reversing it in the next game. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925428512] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote> So your choices here are either, not buy the game and shut up or do buy the game anf shut up.</quote> Or, I can continue to criticize them for their unethical decision, and continue to criticize people defending it. It would be a good thing for the game to fall short of sales expectations. Even if they game still makes a large profit, if it falls significantly short of sales expectations, it can hurt gamefreak. That would be a good thing. I will continue to bring attention to the ethics behind this terrible choice of theirs. Bad PR is good for us. If gamefreak loses money over this choice (again, the game can still make millions, but falling short of projections is losing money), that will be a good thing that will hopefully lead to them reversing it in the next game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 11:39:52 AM #93:	DarkChozoGhost posted... It would be a good thing for the game to fall short of sales expectations Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925428833] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>It would be a good thing for the game to fall short of sales expectations</quote> Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 07/31/19 11:44:49 AM #94:	Blind fanboyism is a bad look --- A thousand eyes, and one. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:925429045] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Blind fanboyism is a bad look</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 07/31/19 11:48:50 AM #95:	It's okay to like Sword and Shield, you just can't call yourself a Pokemon fan if you do --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:925429212] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>It's okay to like Sword and Shield, you just can't call yourself a Pokemon fan if you do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 07/31/19 11:49:59 AM #96:	Duncanwii posted... Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself. Lmao --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:925429283] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself.</quote>Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 07/31/19 11:52:34 AM #97:	It's an incomplete game sold for $60 with retailer exclusive DLC. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:925429388] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>It's an incomplete game sold for $60 with retailer exclusive DLC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 07/31/19 11:53:59 AM #98:	Duncanwii posted... Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself. Nope. If the majority of the criticism involves dexit, they will see that it was the cause of sales loss. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:925429451] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself.</quote> Nope. If the majority of the criticism involves dexit, they will see that it was the cause of sales loss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Led-Zeppelin 07/31/19 11:59:09 AM #99:	sad the lengths some ppl will go to to defend gamefreaks half assed games <cite>Led-Zeppelin posted [p:925429675] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>sad the lengths some ppl will go to to defend gamefreaks half assed games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 07/31/19 12:01:01 PM #100:	Led-Zeppelin posted... sad the lengths some ppl will go to to defend gamefreaks half assed games Again none of the games are "half assed." You can think that if you want, that wont not make your assessment wrong. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:925429766] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Led-Zeppelin posted...</cite> <quote>sad the lengths some ppl will go to to defend gamefreaks half assed games </quote> Again none of the games are "half assed." You can think that if you want, that wont not make your assessment wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnvoyOfTheLight 07/31/19 12:02:56 PM #101:	Duncanwii posted... Led-Zeppelin posted... sad the lengths some ppl will go to to defend gamefreaks half assed games Again none of the games are "half assed." You can think that if you want, that wont not make your assessment wrong. Duncanwii posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... It would be a good thing for the game to fall short of sales expectations Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself. How can you reach this conclusion when it is very, very clearly known, by all parties involved, that people are mad about the cut pokemon? --- I am The Light's Envoy, here to redeem you of your wicked ways! GuideGuideGuide is Evening_Dragon is Guide <cite>EnvoyOfTheLight posted [p:925429836] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>Led-Zeppelin posted...</cite> <quote>sad the lengths some ppl will go to to defend gamefreaks half assed games </quote> Again none of the games are "half assed." You can think that if you want, that wont not make your assessment wrong.</quote> Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>It would be a good thing for the game to fall short of sales expectations</quote> Lol no it isnt. All they will take away from that is that traditional Pokemon isnt wanted anymore. They will put more time into stupid phone games and wont work on consoles unless its a cash grab like Let's Go. Youd actively be ruining it for everybody including yourself.</quote> How can you reach this conclusion when it is very, very clearly known, by all parties involved, that people are mad about the cut pokemon?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 07/31/19 12:03:44 PM #102:	Because blind fanboyism --- A thousand eyes, and one. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:925429867] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>Because blind fanboyism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 07/31/19 12:04:25 PM #103:	DarthAragorn posted... Blind fanboyism is a bad look Irrational hate is even worst. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:925429900] in I dont und... [t:77903743]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted... </cite> <quote>Blind fanboyism is a bad look</quote>Irrational hate is even worst. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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