Current Events > Border patrol kidnaps 9-year-old American girl (carrying passport) for 32 hours

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Polycosm 07/30/19 1:43:38 AM #1:	https://www.gq.com/story/border-patrol-detained-9-year-old-american-girl CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother... saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection." Personally, I think we need to hold some Nuremberg-style trials after this nightmare is over and I'm not sorry for the implicit comparison. --- I bow before my emperor, Advokaiser-- winner of the 2019 guru contest. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:925365656] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>https://www.gq.com/story/border-patrol-detained-9-year-old-american-girl <quote>CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother... saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection."</quote> Personally, I think we need to hold some Nuremberg-style trials after this nightmare is over and I'm not sorry for the implicit comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 07/30/19 1:44:40 AM #2:	Trump and all his people will burn in hell when they die for the evils they are doing here --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg https://imgtc.ws/i/gEfkzml.gif <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:925365690] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Trump and all his people will burn in hell when they die for the evils they are doing here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 1:45:06 AM #3:	"Kidnaps" --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925365704] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>"Kidnaps"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 07/30/19 1:57:51 AM #4:	Gobstoppers12 posted... "Kidnaps" Plucked off the street and inexplicably held captive for 32 hours... what would you call it? 'Guess that 3rd-grader should have kept her story straight and asked if she was being detained. --- I bow before my emperor, Advokaiser-- winner of the 2019 guru contest. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:925366005] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>"Kidnaps"</quote> Plucked off the street and inexplicably held captive for 32 hours... what would you call it? 'Guess that 3rd-grader should have kept her story straight and asked if she was being detained.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 07/30/19 1:58:36 AM #5:	CADE FOSTER posted... Trump and all his people will burn in hell when they die for the evils they are doing here One can only hope. --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:925366021] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted... </cite> <quote>Trump and all his people will burn in hell when they die for the evils they are doing here</quote> One can only hope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaccharineSmile 07/30/19 2:09:14 AM #6:	"provided inconsistent information during her inspection." I dunno, sure they're young and scared and probs didn't speak up clearly, but I guess you need to follow protocol which they did, so no dramas here for the boarder patrols --- Sent from my IPhone X <cite>SaccharineSmile posted [p:925366265] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote><quote>"provided inconsistent information during her inspection."</quote> I dunno, sure they're young and scared and probs didn't speak up clearly, but I guess you need to follow protocol which they did, so no dramas here for the boarder patrols </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:12:03 AM #7:	Though she's an American, Medina's family lives in Tijuana, and they cross the border each morning to get to school. On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport, according to NBC San Diego. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection." Basically, because people are dishonest and children are often used as smokescreens for smuggling/trafficking, others have to suffer. I'd rather an innocent 9 year old be detained for 32 hours and then released as opposed to letting her and the 14 year old through unhindered with drugs, guns, or if the 9 year old was actually a trafficking victim. Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366323] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Though she's an American, Medina's family lives in Tijuana, and they cross the border each morning to get to school. On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport, according to NBC San Diego. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection." Basically, because people are dishonest and children are often used as smokescreens for smuggling/trafficking, others have to suffer. I'd rather an innocent 9 year old be detained for 32 hours and then released as opposed to letting her and the 14 year old through unhindered with drugs, guns, or if the 9 year old was actually a trafficking victim. Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asagi_mode_gone 07/30/19 2:13:17 AM #8:	Polycosm posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... "Kidnaps" Plucked off the street and inexplicably held captive for 32 hours... what would you call it? 'Guess that 3rd-grader should have kept her story straight and asked if she was being detained. It's Gobstoppers, he'd probably say the girl was "liberated" or "rescued" <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:925366346] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>"Kidnaps"</quote> Plucked off the street and inexplicably held captive for 32 hours... what would you call it? 'Guess that 3rd-grader should have kept her story straight and asked if she was being detained.</quote> It's Gobstoppers, he'd probably say the girl was "liberated" or "rescued"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:13:38 AM #9:	asagi_mode_gone posted... It's Gobstoppers, he'd probably say the girl was "liberated" or "rescued" The word is "detained." It's not a kidnapping if it's not a crime. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366354] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted...</cite> <quote> It's Gobstoppers, he'd probably say the girl was "liberated" or "rescued"</quote> The word is "detained." It's not a kidnapping if it's not a crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 07/30/19 2:16:20 AM #10:	gobstoppers shut your intellectually dishonest ass the fuck up and go back to writing weabfiction man god damn lmaooo --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:925366417] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>gobstoppers shut your intellectually dishonest ass the fuck up and go back to writing weabfiction man god damn lmaooo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gafemage 07/30/19 2:17:26 AM #11:	CADE FOSTER posted... Trump and all his people will burn in hell when they die for the evils they are doing here --- https://imgur.com/1EOFcjn https://imgur.com/epjd8zk #ShameGimmickAccounts2k20 <cite>Gafemage posted [p:925366440] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Trump and all his people will burn in hell when they die for the evils they are doing here </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:18:10 AM #12:	Ving_Rhames posted... gobstoppers shut your intellectually dishonest ass the fuck up and go back to writing weabfiction man god damn lmaooo Explain your reasoning for this outburst, please. I've said nothing false or misleading. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366459] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Ving_Rhames posted...</cite> <quote>gobstoppers shut your intellectually dishonest ass the fuck up and go back to writing weabfiction man god damn lmaooo</quote> Explain your reasoning for this outburst, please. I've said nothing false or misleading.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 07/30/19 2:21:06 AM #13:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Explain your reasoning for this outburst, please. I've said nothing false or misleading. aye shutup though its played out ok you dont have to do this to yourself anymore --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:925366513] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Explain your reasoning for this outburst, please. I've said nothing false or misleading.</quote> aye shutup though its played out ok you dont have to do this to yourself anymore</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:28:12 AM #14:	Ving_Rhames posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Explain your reasoning for this outburst, please. I've said nothing false or misleading. aye shutup though its played out ok you dont have to do this to yourself anymore Oh. You're just memeing. Carry on, I don't care. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366632] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Ving_Rhames posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Explain your reasoning for this outburst, please. I've said nothing false or misleading.</quote> aye shutup though its played out ok you dont have to do this to yourself anymore</quote> Oh. You're just memeing. Carry on, I don't care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asagi_mode_gone 07/30/19 2:30:05 AM #15:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Though she's an American, Medina's family lives in Tijuana, and they cross the border each morning to get to school. On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport, according to NBC San Diego. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection." Basically, because people are dishonest and children are often used as smokescreens for smuggling/trafficking, others have to suffer. I'd rather an innocent 9 year old be detained for 32 hours and then released as opposed to letting her and the 14 year old through unhindered with drugs, guns, or if the 9 year old was actually a trafficking victim. Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion. Ah. Then would you be okay with every lawful and innocent gun owner, one at a time, having their guns taken for 32 hours rather than letting them stay in the hands of somebody who might use them for illegal purposes? <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:925366678] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Though she's an American, Medina's family lives in Tijuana, and they cross the border each morning to get to school. On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport, according to NBC San Diego. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection." Basically, because people are dishonest and children are often used as smokescreens for smuggling/trafficking, others have to suffer. I'd rather an innocent 9 year old be detained for 32 hours and then released as opposed to letting her and the 14 year old through unhindered with drugs, guns, or if the 9 year old was actually a trafficking victim. Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion.</quote> Ah. Then would you be okay with every lawful and innocent gun owner, one at a time, having their guns taken for 32 hours rather than letting them stay in the hands of somebody who might use them for illegal purposes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:32:27 AM #16:	asagi_mode_gone posted... Ah. Then would you be okay with every lawful and innocent gun owner, one at a time, having their guns taken for 32 hours rather than letting them stay in the hands of somebody who might use them for illegal purposes? With probable cause, sure. Just owning a gun isn't probable cause. However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366724] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted...</cite> <quote> Ah. Then would you be okay with every lawful and innocent gun owner, one at a time, having their guns taken for 32 hours rather than letting them stay in the hands of somebody who might use them for illegal purposes?</quote> With probable cause, sure. Just owning a gun isn't probable cause. However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asagi_mode_gone 07/30/19 2:34:43 AM #17:	Gobstoppers12 posted... asagi_mode_gone posted... It's Gobstoppers, he'd probably say the girl was "liberated" or "rescued" The word is "detained." It's not a kidnapping if it's not a crime. "Unlawfully detained" given she was a large citizen and shouldn't have been detained. Her right were violated, not the least of which include ones related to being underage and held without access to family or a lawyer. <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:925366763] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>asagi_mode_gone posted...</cite> <quote> It's Gobstoppers, he'd probably say the girl was "liberated" or "rescued"</quote> The word is "detained." It's not a kidnapping if it's not a crime.</quote> "Unlawfully detained" given she was a large citizen and shouldn't have been detained. Her right were violated, not the least of which include ones related to being underage and held without access to family or a lawyer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/30/19 2:36:09 AM #18:	Gobstoppers12 posted... However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds. How is it the 9 year old girls fault? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925366788] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds.</quote> How is it the 9 year old girls fault?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:43:34 AM #19:	Darmik posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds. How is it the 9 year old girls fault? It's not. I didn't say it was. Re-read: That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366925] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds.</quote> How is it the 9 year old girls fault?</quote> It's not. I didn't say it was. Re-read: <quote>That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kastrada 07/30/19 2:44:01 AM #20:	Gobstoppers12 posted... The word is "detained." It's not a kidnapping if it's not a crime. I mean illegally holding a underage US citizen for the reason of a crime (possibly holding a falsified passport) and interrogating her without her parents/guardians or at least legal representation is a crime.... --- PoW '09 Topic of the Year Co-Winners (Rada and Texy) FFD <cite>Kastrada posted [p:925366936] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>The word is "detained." It's not a kidnapping if it's not a crime. </quote> I mean illegally holding a underage US citizen for the reason of a crime (possibly holding a falsified passport) and interrogating her without her parents/guardians or at least legal representation is a crime....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/30/19 2:44:34 AM #21:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Darmik posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds. How is it the 9 year old girls fault? It's not. I didn't say it was. Re-read: That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves Blame themselves for what? Why would they care they wasted three days with an American citizen? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925366948] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>However, crossing the border is probable cause to investigate. That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves; it's not the border patrol's fault that things are as complicated as they are when it comes to busting traffickers of all kinds.</quote> How is it the 9 year old girls fault?</quote> It's not. I didn't say it was. Re-read: <quote>That's kind of the situation that has been created by the smugglers and illegals. They can blame themselves</quote></quote> Blame themselves for what? Why would they care they wasted three days with an American citizen?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:44:37 AM #22:	Kastrada posted... illegally That's the keyword. Was this illegal? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366949] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote> illegally</quote> That's the keyword. Was this illegal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kastrada 07/30/19 2:46:52 AM #23:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Kastrada posted... illegally That's the keyword. Was this illegal? ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal. --- PoW '09 Topic of the Year Co-Winners (Rada and Texy) FFD <cite>Kastrada posted [p:925366979] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote> illegally</quote> That's the keyword. Was this illegal?</quote> ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:47:10 AM #24:	Darmik posted... Blame themselves for what? Why would they care they wasted three days with an American citizen? The larger point is that both of the sides involved here (innocent people and the border patrol) are at odds because of the smugglers, traffickers, and cartels. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925366983] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Blame themselves for what? Why would they care they wasted three days with an American citizen?</quote> The larger point is that both of the sides involved here (innocent people and the border patrol) are at odds because of the smugglers, traffickers, and cartels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/19 2:48:38 AM #25:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Though she's an American, Medina's family lives in Tijuana, and they cross the border each morning to get to school. On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport, according to NBC San Diego. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection." Basically, because people are dishonest and children are often used as smokescreens for smuggling/trafficking, others have to suffer. I'd rather an innocent 9 year old be detained for 32 hours and then released as opposed to letting her and the 14 year old through unhindered with drugs, guns, or if the 9 year old was actually a trafficking victim. Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion. What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex. Edit: Kastrada posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Kastrada posted... illegally That's the keyword. Was this illegal? ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal. Oh god, it only got better. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:925367003] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Though she's an American, Medina's family lives in Tijuana, and they cross the border each morning to get to school. On a Monday morning, CBP detained her and her 14-year-old brother, Oscar, saying she didn't look like the photo in her passport, according to NBC San Diego. CBP said the elementary student, who was questioned without her parents present, "provided inconsistent information during her inspection." Basically, because people are dishonest and children are often used as smokescreens for smuggling/trafficking, others have to suffer. I'd rather an innocent 9 year old be detained for 32 hours and then released as opposed to letting her and the 14 year old through unhindered with drugs, guns, or if the 9 year old was actually a trafficking victim. Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion.</quote> What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex. Edit: Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote> illegally</quote> That's the keyword. Was this illegal?</quote> ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal.</quote> Oh god, it only got better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:49:19 AM #26:	Zeeak4444 posted... What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex. Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367015] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex.</quote> Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorthremar 07/30/19 2:49:52 AM #27:	Kastrada posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Kastrada posted... illegally That's the keyword. Was this illegal? ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal. yeah brother this is very much a crime, if you think otherwise then you don't understand our legal system --- the 9/11 buildings got destroyed in the 9/11 thing - xyphilia <cite>Lorthremar posted [p:925367029] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote> illegally</quote> That's the keyword. Was this illegal?</quote> ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal.</quote> yeah brother this is very much a crime, if you think otherwise then you don't understand our legal system</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:50:58 AM #28:	Lorthremar posted... Kastrada posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Kastrada posted... illegally That's the keyword. Was this illegal? ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal. yeah brother this is very much a crime, if you think otherwise then you don't understand our legal system Did the officers in question know for certain that the parents were available? In smuggling cases, you can't exactly call the parents--and the 'parents' that might come in would be the exact person you don't want present during questioning. Edit: Actually can you cite the federal law that prohibits questioning a child without a parent present? I'm not certain it's a crime. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367040] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Lorthremar posted...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Kastrada posted...</cite> <quote> illegally</quote> That's the keyword. Was this illegal?</quote> ....yes....holding/interrogating a child (citizen no less) without their parents or consul is illegal.</quote> yeah brother this is very much a crime, if you think otherwise then you don't understand our legal system</quote> Did the officers in question know for certain that the parents were available? In smuggling cases, you can't exactly call the parents--and the 'parents' that might come in would be the exact person you don't want present during questioning. Edit: Actually can you cite the federal law that prohibits questioning a child without a parent present? I'm not certain it's a crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/19 2:51:48 AM #29:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex. Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening. I think you should stop while youre behind. You do you though. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:925367060] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex.</quote> Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening.</quote> I think you should stop while youre behind. You do you though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:52:53 AM #30:	Zeeak4444 posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex. Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening. I think you should stop while youre behind. You do you though. I asked you a question. Are you not going to answer it after making an accusation you don't understand? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367074] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex.</quote> Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening.</quote> I think you should stop while youre behind. You do you though.</quote> I asked you a question. Are you not going to answer it after making an accusation you don't understand?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/30/19 2:53:31 AM #31:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Darmik posted... Blame themselves for what? Why would they care they wasted three days with an American citizen? The larger point is that both of the sides involved here (innocent people and the border patrol) are at odds because of the smugglers, traffickers, and cartels. "Criminals only have themselves to blame for the false imprisonment of innocents" Does that sound like a reasonable excuse to you? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925367086] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Blame themselves for what? Why would they care they wasted three days with an American citizen?</quote> The larger point is that both of the sides involved here (innocent people and the border patrol) are at odds because of the smugglers, traffickers, and cartels.</quote> "Criminals only have themselves to blame for the false imprisonment of innocents" Does that sound like a reasonable excuse to you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 2:55:24 AM #32:	Darmik posted... "Criminals only have themselves to blame for the false imprisonment of innocents" Does that sound like a reasonable excuse to you? I should have probably worded it like this: "Blame the cartels for putting the border patrol and the girl in this position." Gobstoppers12 posted... Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion. Oh wait, I did say that. In like, my second post in this topic. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367117] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> "Criminals only have themselves to blame for the false imprisonment of innocents" Does that sound like a reasonable excuse to you?</quote> I should have probably worded it like this: "Blame the cartels for putting the border patrol and the girl in this position." Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote> Blame the cartels and human smugglers for making children a valid target for this kind of suspicion.</quote> Oh wait, I did say that. In like, my second post in this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/19 3:00:12 AM #33:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex. Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening. I think you should stop while youre behind. You do you though. I asked you a question. Are you not going to answer it after making an accusation you don't understand? Ya, Im not gonna teach you what a slippery slope is or how what you initially posted was a statement predicated on a slippery slope fallacy. Just like Im not gonna go do your homework just because you insist on participating in a subject you have pretty much no knowledge whatsoever on. For the record, since we know you aint gonna get off your ass and look, since the person in question is under 12 regardless of the crime she was being detained for she was legally able to be held for 6 hours before being charged or released. So even ignoring anything else about the situation what happened was illegal. Not even up for discussion. So the answer to your other post is yes, it was illegal. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:925367207] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> What is the slippery slope fallacy, for 200, Alex.</quote> Who's referring to the slippery slope fallacy, here? That's all about conjecture. This is something that is actually happening.</quote> I think you should stop while youre behind. You do you though.</quote> I asked you a question. Are you not going to answer it after making an accusation you don't understand?</quote> Ya, Im not gonna teach you what a slippery slope is or how what you initially posted was a statement predicated on a slippery slope fallacy. Just like Im not gonna go do your homework just because you insist on participating in a subject you have pretty much no knowledge whatsoever on. For the record, since we know you aint gonna get off your ass and look, since the person in question is under 12 regardless of the crime she was being detained for she was legally able to be held for 6 hours before being charged or released. So even ignoring anything else about the situation what happened was illegal. Not even up for discussion. So the answer to your other post is yes, it was illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/30/19 3:00:43 AM #34:	So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925367218] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 07/30/19 3:02:56 AM #35:	CBP admitted they had no explanation for why they kept her for so long so stop with your smuggling bullshit. Just shut the fuck up actually lol --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:925367258] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>CBP admitted they had no explanation for why they kept her for so long so stop with your smuggling bullshit. Just shut the fuck up actually lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/30/19 3:04:06 AM #36:	Darmik posted... So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists? Small government conservatives roll over for the man. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:925367282] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists?</quote>Small government conservatives roll over for the man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 3:05:56 AM #37:	Darmik posted... So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists? It wasn't 3 days, it was 32 hours. The article makes reference to a different case at the beginning for some reason. Zeeak4444 posted... Ya, Im not gonna teach you what a slippery slope is or how what you initially posted was a statement predicated on a slippery slope fallacy. It's not the slippery slope fallacy--cartels definitely use children as cover for their smuggling operations. It's a fact. That's not a fallacy. Zeeak4444 posted... since the person in question is under 12 regardless of the crime she was being detained for she was legally able to be held for 6 hours before being charged or released Are there any exceptions to this rule? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367313] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists?</quote> It wasn't 3 days, it was 32 hours. The article makes reference to a different case at the beginning for some reason. Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Ya, Im not gonna teach you what a slippery slope is or how what you initially posted was a statement predicated on a slippery slope fallacy. </quote> It's not the slippery slope fallacy--cartels definitely use children as cover for their smuggling operations. It's a fact. That's not a fallacy. Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>since the person in question is under 12 regardless of the crime she was being detained for she was legally able to be held for 6 hours before being charged or released</quote> Are there any exceptions to this rule?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 07/30/19 3:07:02 AM #38:	Does gobbstopper ever get tired of being wrong? --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:925367332] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Does gobbstopper ever get tired of being wrong? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 3:07:25 AM #39:	Bishop9800 posted... Does gobbstopper ever get tired of being wrong? Where am I wrong? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367347] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote>Does gobbstopper ever get tired of being wrong? </quote> Where am I wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 07/30/19 3:09:11 AM #40:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Where am I wrong? Everywhere --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:925367389] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Where am I wrong?</quote> Everywhere </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/30/19 3:09:13 AM #41:	Gobstoppers12 posted... It wasn't 3 days, it was 32 hours. The article makes reference to a different case at the beginning for some reason. You didn't answer the question either way --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:925367390] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>It wasn't 3 days, it was 32 hours. The article makes reference to a different case at the beginning for some reason. </quote> You didn't answer the question either way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/19 3:09:58 AM #42:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Darmik posted... So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists? It wasn't 3 days, it was 32 hours. The article makes reference to a different case at the beginning for some reason. Zeeak4444 posted... Ya, Im not gonna teach you what a slippery slope is or how what you initially posted was a statement predicated on a slippery slope fallacy. It's not the slippery slope fallacy--cartels definitely use children as cover for their smuggling operations. It's a fact. That's not a fallacy. Zeeak4444 posted... since the person in question is under 12 regardless of the crime she was being detained for she was legally able to be held for 6 hours before being charged or released Are there any exceptions to this rule? Youre still not understanding why its a fallacy, and thats okay, most people dont. Nothing that you said stops what you said from being one though. Its not about this occurs its about, I believe this will occur again. That seems to be the big hangup here. As for the second question I dont know. If there is an exception its not one Ive ever seen referenced in any case nor come across myself. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:925367404] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>So you'd understand being falsely imprisoned for days because law enforcement has to deal with criminals? You'd be understanding if they took away your 9 year old daughter for three days because the cartel exists?</quote> It wasn't 3 days, it was 32 hours. The article makes reference to a different case at the beginning for some reason. Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Ya, Im not gonna teach you what a slippery slope is or how what you initially posted was a statement predicated on a slippery slope fallacy. </quote> It's not the slippery slope fallacy--cartels definitely use children as cover for their smuggling operations. It's a fact. That's not a fallacy. Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>since the person in question is under 12 regardless of the crime she was being detained for she was legally able to be held for 6 hours before being charged or released</quote> Are there any exceptions to this rule?</quote> Youre still not understanding why its a fallacy, and thats okay, most people dont. Nothing that you said stops what you said from being one though. Its not about this occurs its about, I believe this will occur again. That seems to be the big hangup here. As for the second question I dont know. If there is an exception its not one Ive ever seen referenced in any case nor come across myself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 3:10:01 AM #43:	Bishop9800 posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Where am I wrong? Everywhere Be specific. Quote me. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367408] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Where am I wrong?</quote> Everywhere </quote> Be specific. Quote me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 07/30/19 3:10:31 AM #44:	If it takes 32 hours to see if a kid is smuggling or not, then they are doing it wrong. If she was smuggling, then they lost their chance to quickly grab whoever she was supposed to deliver to. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:925367416] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>If it takes 32 hours to see if a kid is smuggling or not, then they are doing it wrong. If she was smuggling, then they lost their chance to quickly grab whoever she was supposed to deliver to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/30/19 3:11:28 AM #45:	"People sometimes do crimes this way" is a hell of a low standard to justify detaining innocent civilians without legal counsel. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:925367430] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>"People sometimes do crimes this way" is a hell of a low standard to justify detaining innocent civilians without legal counsel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 3:13:11 AM #46:	Zeeak4444 posted... Its not about this occurs its about, I believe this will occur again. That seems to be the big hangup here. ....wait, so what you're saying is that following established precedent is a slippery slope fallacy? It has been proven that cartels use children as shields. As such, the border patrol is on the lookout for suspicious circumstances involving children. That's not slippery slope; that's called being vigilant. Are you suggesting that making efforts to head off nefarious tactics should be written off as the slippery slope fallacy just because you can't assume something will happen again? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367463] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>Its not about this occurs its about, I believe this will occur again. That seems to be the big hangup here.</quote> ....wait, so what you're saying is that following established precedent is a slippery slope fallacy? It has been proven that cartels use children as shields. As such, the border patrol is on the lookout for suspicious circumstances involving children. That's not slippery slope; that's called being vigilant. Are you suggesting that making efforts to head off nefarious tactics should be written off as the slippery slope fallacy just because you can't assume something will happen again?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/19 3:13:48 AM #47:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Bishop9800 posted... Gobstoppers12 posted... Where am I wrong? Everywhere Be specific. Quote me. Look, I got nothing against you and I really dont usually do things like this... but I really advise against this route when not even 30 minutes ago you implied that something was legal without even seeing if it was. So, ya, I mean, that just seems Ill-advised. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:925367473] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Where am I wrong?</quote> Everywhere </quote> Be specific. Quote me.</quote> Look, I got nothing against you and I really dont usually do things like this... but I really advise against this route when not even 30 minutes ago you implied that something was legal without even seeing if it was. So, ya, I mean, that just seems Ill-advised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 07/30/19 3:15:25 AM #48:	Zeeak4444 posted... but I really advise against this route when not even 30 minutes ago you implied that something was legal without even seeing if it was. So, ya, I mean, that just seems Ill-advised. I asked questions and requested citations of the law. So far I've gotten a couple of people telling me things without citations, so...I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the same page. If you've got a source with definitive authority on the subject, please share it with the rest of the class. Passively-aggressively calling me an idiot isn't going to get you very far with me. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:925367497] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>but I really advise against this route when not even 30 minutes ago you implied that something was legal without even seeing if it was. So, ya, I mean, that just seems Ill-advised.</quote> I asked questions and requested citations of the law. So far I've gotten a couple of people telling me things without citations, so...I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the same page. If you've got a source with definitive authority on the subject, please share it with the rest of the class. Passively-aggressively calling me an idiot isn't going to get you very far with me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 07/30/19 3:16:24 AM #49:	The fuck...almost all of the topic is hidden for me. 12 to 33 is the biggest gap with others and there. No way did that many people I have ignored post that much. O_o --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:925367510] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote>The fuck...almost all of the topic is hidden for me. 12 to 33 is the biggest gap with others and there. No way did that many people I have ignored post that much. O_o </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 07/30/19 3:17:09 AM #50:	sylverlolol posted... The fuck...almost all of the topic is hidden for me. 12 to 33 is the biggest gap with others and there. No way did that many people I have ignored post that much. O_o You're better off tbh. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:925367519] in Border pat... [t:77900374]...</cite> <quote><cite>sylverlolol posted...</cite> <quote>The fuck...almost all of the topic is hidden for me. 12 to 33 is the biggest gap with others and there. No way did that many people I have ignored post that much. O_o </quote> You're better off tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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