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Funbazooka
07/29/19 1:08:24 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/27/trans-lobby-pressure-pushing-young-people-to-transition

Counsellors and other mental health providers fear being labelled transphobic

School counsellors and mental health service providers are bowing to pressures from highly politicised transgender groups to affirm childrens beliefs that they were born the wrong sex, a leading expert has warned.

Marcus Evans, a psychotherapist and ex-governor of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, whose Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) is the only NHS clinic to provide gender counselling and transitioning, said many experts were living in fear of being labelled transphobic, which was having an impact on their objectivity.

I believe the trans political agenda has encroached on the clinical environment surrounding and within the Gender Identity Development Service, Evans told the Observer. Young people need an independent clinical service that has the long-term interests of the patient at heart. To some extent, this requires a capacity to stand up to pressure coming from various sources: from the young person, their family, peer groups, online and social networking pressures and from highly politicised pro-trans groups.

The number of children referred annually to GIDS has risen from 468 in 2013 to 2,519 in 2018. Some claim social media is a factor in the increase.In a hard-hitting paper, presented at a conference earlier this year and shared with the Observer, Evans quoted the experience of Dagny, a woman who identified as a trans man in her teens, has now detransitioned and says she was influenced by views expressed on the social network, Tumblr.

One of these unhealthy beliefs I held was the belief that if you have gender dysphoria, you must transition, Dagny has said. And anyone that appeared to stand in my way was a transphobe an alt-right bigot.

Evans resigned as a governor of the trust in February in protest at its response to criticism from a former member of its council of governors, David Bell, who had raised concerns from 10 members of staff.

They reported inadequate assessments, patients pushed through for early medical interventions and an inability to stand up to pressure from trans lobbies, Evans said.

A review of Bells concerns by the trust did not identify any immediate issues in relation to patient safety or failings in the overall approach in responding to the needs of young people.

Evans said that since his resignation he had become concerned that the debate around transitioning had been shut down by a vocal minority. The mind that is free to think or ask difficult questions is treated as a real threat; TV producers and journalists continually report that while people are willing to speak in confidence to them about their reservations about treatment in these areas, they shy away from being named, for fear of being accused of being bigoted and transphobic and sometimes either disciplined or even sacked for speaking their mind.

Since his high-profile resignation, Evanss concerns have broadened as parents approach him for advice about their children.

They confirm that a gender-affirmative approach is being adopted by many school counsellors and CAMHS (Children and Adolescent Mental Health Services), Evans notes.

These parents all expressed alarm that, after their children suddenly announced they believed they were the wrong sex, practitioners were immediately endorsing the belief that this was the cause of the childs distress, rather than offering time to explore perhaps long-standing psychological/developmental issues.

With waiting times for a consultation taking up to two years, some critics accuse the Tavistock of being too slow to meet demand for its services.
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Funbazooka
07/29/19 1:08:31 AM
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But others accuse it of fast-tracking children on to hormone blockers, a pathway to transitioning, a claim the trust rejects. It said that fewer than half of patients who present to it go on to its endocrine (hormone) clinics. Yesterday, the Times reported that the Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health has asked its ethics and law advisory committee to look at the ethics surrounding the rapid increase in the use of blockers to treat under 16s who identify as transgender.

In April, it emerged that five clinicians had resigned over concerns that some children had been sent for life-changing medical intervention without a thorough assessment of their options.

Last week BBC Newsnight reported that the trust had data showing that children who took hormone blockers had reported an increase in thoughts of suicide and self-harm.

The trust said the data, involving 44 children, was too small to draw final conclusions. It said the data suggested the positive outcomes were likely to outweigh the negative .

The Newsnight expose followed an open letter posted online by a former clinician at the Leeds branch of GIDS, Dr Kirsty Entwistle, who warned that traumatic early experiences, which might be a factor in a young persons desire to transition, were not being investigated by medical staff out of fear of being labelled transphobic.

In a statement the trust said: GIDS is a thoughtful and safe service. It cares for young people at a vulnerable time in their lives. Our experience with this group of patients, which is a highly diverse group, indicates that the choice to do nothing is not neutral and may lead to significant harm.

The service is thorough and systematic in its approach to exploring with the young people and families the best way of dealing with their distress and the implications of different choices.

It added: We believe the opinions described are misinformed and based on a limited view, both of the clinical work undertaken within the service and of the experience of young people seeking help from the Gender Identity Development Service.
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viewmaster_pi
07/29/19 1:09:48 AM
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they're 100% correct
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AlephZero
07/29/19 1:13:55 AM
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no slippery slope
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Funbazooka
07/29/19 1:20:41 AM
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The number of children referred annually to GIDS has risen from 468 in 2013 to 2,519 in 2018.


wtf
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The_Ivory_Man
07/29/19 1:21:46 AM
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Wouldn't be surprised.

I think everyone feels awkward about their body at certain stages of their life.

I used to dislike how much body hair I had and the weird bend my nose has, but once I grew up I knew that was just me and stopped caring about it, and once I did I thought better about myself.

Looking at a lot of that trans stuff with kids scares me.

I played with barbies and other dolls as a kid, and now that's looked as a sign instead of just letting kids do whatever they want.
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hockeybub89
07/29/19 1:23:40 AM
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A_A_Battery
07/29/19 1:26:24 AM
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Ive seen some leftists who state that exposing children to this junk is detrimental and shouldnt be done. David Pakman is one such example.
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CasualGuy
07/29/19 1:28:23 AM
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All the science around transgenderism is shoddy at best because any scientist who finds results that oppose extreme leftist views would probably lose their job due to twitter mobs

We'll see how long ot takes before the dregs of society try to cancel this guy
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evil_zombie11
07/29/19 1:33:43 AM
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He's gonna end up like Debra Soh who stood her ground and got wrecked for it.
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Sonic Cannon
07/29/19 1:41:43 AM
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Funbazooka posted...

One of these unhealthy beliefs I held was the belief that if you have gender dysphoria, you must transition, Dagny has said. And anyone that appeared to stand in my way was a transphobe an alt-right bigot.


This is probably the most damaging atitude on this topic. Professional health services like the NHS GIDS are well placed to weigh up the factors at play for a patient, and should be able to advise based on that, not a philosophy that dysphoria always = wrong sex at birth = you must transition and anyone opposing that is a bigot
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OctaviaMeIody69
07/29/19 2:52:37 AM
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There needs to be more caution to this
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gunplagirl
07/29/19 3:05:02 AM
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Cis people who think they know more about trans issues than trans people, that's rich.

For what it's worth, there'd been mounting complaints against the guy in the OP because in his position he had taken such a long and drawn out approach that some of his patients ended up just self medicating because it was faster than waiting another year+ for him to sign off on them getting any care beyond counseling.

A parallel would be, rather than giving somebody am x ray then a cast or brace for an injury (with respect to the severity), he was trudging along saying to schedule an appointment for the x ray in a month, then a month later to have the result read to you in the clinic and after that you can finally schedule to have him determine if you need any external support or protection or therapy for the injury, based on where it was at the beginning of the process and not where it is now (likely either worse or better).
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Lorenzo_2003
07/29/19 3:29:20 AM
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It would be difficult to have a reasonable discussion about any of this because of the echo chamber that some people have built and are demanding that everyone else must support. I'm not even talking about random people who want to participate on the internet. I mean people in academia, the sciences and so on. How many of them would be willing to risk their reputations, their careers and everything else they value when it is clear that they are not "allowed" to pursue objectivity, let alone to even consider alternatives to the mainstream?
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