Current Events > Study finds more guns in homes = More gun homicides

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https://www.newsweek.com/states-more-gun-owners-have-more-murders-home-women-most-common-victims-1450162

Firearm ownership in states ranged from 10.4 percent of households in Hawaii to 68.8 percent of Wyoming. More people in the west and south owned guns, while the northwest had the least. Compared to states in the lowest quartile of gun ownership, states in the top quartile showed a 64.6 percent higher incidence of domestic firearm homicide. The starkest figures came from the southern states.
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Now who would have expected this?
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this doesn't make any sense

Huh?
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only cops should have guns
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I'll take misrepresenting the data for 500, Alex.
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50Blessings posted...

I'll take misrepresenting the data for 500, Alex.

More guns =More gun deaths
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I made this topic because of the ever present narrative on the right that insist more guns and access to guns leads to greater safety overall.
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This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic
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hey friend we dont allow fake news on dis sub
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I just watched Counter Arguments's video on how an analogy isn't an argument using this as its example.
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Who would have thought that when you increase the number of guns it would increase the number is gun-related things
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Megaman50100 posted...

I just watched Counter Arguments's video on how an analogy isn't an argument using this as its example.

Did you watch Counter Argument's video on what the definition of an analogy is?
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Makes sense.

Which is why safe gun storage needs to be something that is heavily pushed going forward to gun buyers and owners.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Makes sense.

Which is why safe gun storage needs to be something that is heavily pushed going forward to gun buyers and owners.

If you're intending to shoot your spouse, that doesn't really matter.

What are the numbers for non firearm related homicides?

non gang related, non police shooting gun homicides are about 2200 per year

_RETS_ posted...

What are the numbers for non firearm related homicides?

A useful statistic would be the aggregate domestic homicide figures.

Getting rid of guns just makes homicide less efficient. It doesn't make homicide go away.

because, you know...
WaterLink posted...

Kind of a no shit statistic

WaterLink posted...

This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic

hahahahha

Questionmarktarius posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Makes sense.

Which is why safe gun storage needs to be something that is heavily pushed going forward to gun buyers and owners.

If you're intending to shoot your spouse, that doesn't really matter.

I mean theres multiple cases of gun violence that happened because the guns werent locked up and a child/other family member accidentally fired it or stole it to commit a crime of some sort.
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The key statistic here that's left out is whether the firearms used in the homicides were legally owned. Law abiding people in more dangerous areas are more likely to own firearms for self defense, yes, and due to these being high crime areas there are more homicides, yes. However, correlation does not equal causation. The guns they can count are not the ones being used to commit crime, because study after study shows people who carry guns are the most law abiding demographic of the country. Guns are used in self defense far more frequently than they're used for murder.

If you think not having any guns will make your household safer, by all means, don't buy any. I know mine aren't going to jump up and shoot anybody.
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WaterLink posted...

This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic

This
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50Blessings posted...

I'll take misrepresenting the data for 500, Alex.

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Article title says 'women most common victims.'

Article body explicitly states that 1 in 4 victims are women.

This article is complete shit.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Makes sense.

Which is why safe gun storage needs to be something that is heavily pushed going forward to gun buyers and owners.

If you're intending to shoot your spouse, that doesn't really matter.

I mean theres multiple cases of gun violence that happened because the guns werent locked up and a child/other family member accidentally fired it or stole it to commit a crime of some sort.

Accidentally shooting someone literally isn't 'violence.'

And if they are going to steal a gun, it doesn't matter if it's in the home or not.
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darkjedilink posted...

Article title says 'women most common victims.'

Article body explicitly states that 1 in 4 victims are women.

This article is complete shit.

Kivisto said he was surprised to find that while around 1 in 4 homicide victims are women, they account for about 3 in 4 victims of intimate partner homicide.

"This tells us that an increased risk for homicide victimization associated with gun ownership has a disproportionate impact on women," said Kivisto.
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darkjedilink posted...

Article title says 'women most common victims.'

Article body explicitly states that 1 in 4 victims are women.

This article is complete shit.

You didn't even finish the sentence

Kivisto said he was surprised to find that while around 1 in 4 homicide victims are women, they account for about 3 in 4 victims of intimate partner homicide.

The study was specifically about murders within the home.
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Same thing for countries too.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Article title says 'women most common victims.'

Article body explicitly states that 1 in 4 victims are women.

This article is complete shit.

Kivisto said he was surprised to find that while around 1 in 4 homicide victims are women, they account for about 3 in 4 victims of intimate partner homicide.

"This tells us that an increased risk for homicide victimization associated with gun ownership has a disproportionate impact on women," said Kivisto.

Except, it literally doesn't, since women only make up 1 in 4 homicide victims.
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darkjedilink posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Makes sense.

Which is why safe gun storage needs to be something that is heavily pushed going forward to gun buyers and owners.

If you're intending to shoot your spouse, that doesn't really matter.

I mean theres multiple cases of gun violence that happened because the guns werent locked up and a child/other family member accidentally fired it or stole it to commit a crime of some sort.

Accidentally shooting someone literally isn't 'violence.'

And if they are going to steal a gun, it doesn't matter if it's in the home or not.

I mean if criminals are going to commit crimes, why have laws. /s

Just because someone might do something doesnt mean that gun safety and safe gun storage shouldnt be important.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

darkjedilink posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Makes sense.

Which is why safe gun storage needs to be something that is heavily pushed going forward to gun buyers and owners.

If you're intending to shoot your spouse, that doesn't really matter.

I mean theres multiple cases of gun violence that happened because the guns werent locked up and a child/other family member accidentally fired it or stole it to commit a crime of some sort.

Accidentally shooting someone literally isn't 'violence.'

And if they are going to steal a gun, it doesn't matter if it's in the home or not.

I mean if criminals are going to commit crimes, why have laws. /s

Just because someone might do something doesnt mean that gun safety and safe gun storage shouldnt be important.

Did I say it wasn't?
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so are you telling me if i bought another table for my living room my odds of tripping over it and cracking my skull increase?!

Dark_Spiret posted...

so are you telling me if i bought another table for my living room my odds of tripping over it and cracking my skull increase?!

Well, no. It's like saying neighborhoods with more barking dogs have higher rates of earplug ownership, and the people with earplugs but no dogs should be subject to earplug control.

People in high crime areas and more rural areas have more guns, yes, but the guns that can be tracked are owned by the people who aren't committing gun crime, because criminals can't have legal guns.

The article cites WYOMING as the state with the highest rate of gun ownership. Every been to Wyoming? If you were in the middle of nowhere miles from the next house, wouldn't having some guns make some good sense?
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I've been saying this for years and I'm pretty dumb.
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Study finds more Snickers in household = less hungry people that aren't themselves.

Fuparulez posted...

The key statistic here that's left out is whether the firearms used in the homicides were legally owned. Law abiding people in more dangerous areas are more likely to own firearms for self defense, yes, and due to these being high crime areas there are more homicides, yes. However, correlation does not equal causation. The guns they can count are not the ones being used to commit crime, because study after study shows people who carry guns are the most law abiding demographic of the country. Guns are used in self defense far more frequently than they're used for murder.

If you think not having any guns will make your household safer, by all means, don't buy any. I know mine aren't going to jump up and shoot anybody.

Do you have a source for "guns are used in self defense more than they are used in murder"? On a related note, I've always read that higher number of guns lead to higher higher rates of successful suicide (so causation) because having a gun in the household is much more lethal/quick than a knife etc, especially for rash, quick decisions.

This doesn't mean that reducing the number of guns will bluntly reduce the number of gun deaths. It is way more nuanced than that.

Fuparulez posted...

criminals can't have legal guns.

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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

This doesn't mean that reducing the number of guns will bluntly reduce the number of gun deaths. It is way more nuanced than that.

Except for the fact that foreign countries with strict gun control laws have wayyyyyy fewer gun deaths per capita than we do.
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Shablagoo posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

This doesn't mean that reducing the number of guns will bluntly reduce the number of gun deaths. It is way more nuanced than that.

Except for the fact that foreign countries with strict gun control laws have wayyyyyy fewer gun deaths per capita than we do.

Again, wayyyy more nuanced than that.

Those countries have always had some form of weapon restriction since the middle ages at least. They never had millions of guns in civilian circulation.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Shablagoo posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

This doesn't mean that reducing the number of guns will bluntly reduce the number of gun deaths. It is way more nuanced than that.

Except for the fact that foreign countries with strict gun control laws have wayyyyyy fewer gun deaths per capita than we do.

Again, wayyyy more nuanced than that.

Those countries have always had some form of weapon restriction since the middle ages at least. They never had millions of guns in civilian circulation.

yeah thats true. Itd have to be a sweeping, involved change across society.
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Having a car means more vehicular deaths too...

WaterLink posted...

This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic

it's harder to get a pool than a gun in some states
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thronedfire2 posted...

WaterLink posted...

This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic

it's harder to get a pool than a gun in some states

It's harder to get a pool than a gun in every state. Because it's a freaking pool.

I know a guy who has one of those "we don't call the cops" posters on his front and back door with a picture of a guy holding a gun. He doesn't actually have a gun lol
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

WaterLink posted...

This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic

it's harder to get a pool than a gun in some states

It's harder to get a pool than a gun in every state. Because it's a freaking pool.

you know what I meant.
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The people alive are very safe from the dead attackers.
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OctaviaMeIody69 posted...

Having a car means more vehicular deaths too...

Then I guess we don't need guns. You can turn yours in at the next AOC checkpoint thanks.
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thronedfire2 posted...

WaterLink posted...

This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic

it's harder to get a pool than a gun in some states

It's easier to get crack too. Or are there people in the alley slinging pools these days?
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WaterLink posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

WaterLink posted...

This just in, households without pets have a lower rate of domestic animal attacks than households with pets

Households with pools have a higher rate of residents drowning than households without pools

Households with trampolines have higher injury rates than households without trampolines.

Kind of a no shit statistic

it's harder to get a pool than a gun in some states

It's easier to get crack too. Or are there people in the alley slinging pools these days?

you know what I meant too
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I honestly dont know what you mean or what your point is. It's harder to get a mansion too. And I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to fit a pool if you live in a studio apartment.
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