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Ving_Rhames
07/21/19 6:35:26 PM
#157:


Dang this thread blew up.
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MalachiteXWater
07/21/19 6:38:00 PM
#158:


Ving_Rhames posted...
Dang this thread blew up.

Naturally.
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PleaseClap
07/21/19 6:38:45 PM
#159:


and warned
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MalachiteXWater
07/21/19 6:41:39 PM
#160:


PleaseClap posted...
and warned

Lol.
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marc55
07/21/19 6:55:55 PM
#161:


Conflict posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
Conflict posted...
Yes, this guy was definitely going to beat up somebody he was hitting on no matter what.

why are you assuming that by telling someone else they don't know what this guy would or wouldn't do in a completely different situation, i am saying that i know exactly 100% what they would do in a completely different situation?


Because you said "you don't know that for sure" like there isn't an article detailing the sequence of events and logical inferences that can be made from them

but the article doesnt say anything about how he reacted on a different situation

and if he had attacked the other 2 trans he flirted with dont you think the article wouldve mention it ? its pretty much the same situation
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hockeybub89
07/21/19 6:57:23 PM
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SgtLunatics
07/21/19 6:58:05 PM
#163:


Meh, I can understand the guy's reaction. Killing the other person is a bit much though. Oh well, at least he confessed and is behind bars now.
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0xDEFECADE
07/21/19 6:58:05 PM
#164:


DuranOfForcena posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...

you don't have to hate transgenders in order to not want to date or flirt with one.

you don't have to brutally punch transgenders in the face just because you flirted with them unwittingly
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viewmaster_pi
07/21/19 7:03:29 PM
#165:


0xDEFECADE posted...
you don't have to brutally punch transgenders in the face just because you flirted with them unwittingly

well i mean he punched her after she pushed him back, difference is he actually fell
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0xDEFECADE
07/21/19 7:49:01 PM
#166:


viewmaster_pi posted...
0xDEFECADE posted...
you don't have to brutally punch transgenders in the face just because you flirted with them unwittingly

well i mean he punched her after she pushed him back, difference is he actually fell

he pushed her first IIRC
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viewmaster_pi
07/21/19 7:52:28 PM
#167:


0xDEFECADE posted...
he pushed her first IIRC

yes, and instead of backing off, she pushed back, hard enough to knock him on his ass

dude who killed her is definitely a murderer after hitting her while she was down and out, but usually getting pushed means "get the fuck off me," not "push me back and start a fight"
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viewmaster_pi
07/21/19 7:57:04 PM
#168:


it's actually nutty as fuck how she actually pushed him back even with his entourage of shitheads behind him

i'd be scared for my life coming across 6 dudes one night in harlem
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inloveanddeath0
07/21/19 7:59:08 PM
#169:


viewmaster_pi posted...
it's actually nutty as fuck how she actually pushed him back even with his entourage of shitheads behind him

i'd be scared for my life coming across 6 dudes one night in harlem

Well I mean hmm..guess there's no way to say it without sounding offensive
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PleaseClap
07/21/19 8:05:42 PM
#170:


inloveanddeath0 posted...
viewmaster_pi posted...
it's actually nutty as fuck how she actually pushed him back even with his entourage of shitheads behind him

i'd be scared for my life coming across 6 dudes one night in harlem

Well I mean hmm..guess there's no way to say it without sounding offensive

why let that stop you
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evil_zombie11
07/21/19 8:10:13 PM
#171:


sad D:
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inloveanddeath0
07/21/19 8:11:52 PM
#172:


PleaseClap posted...
inloveanddeath0 posted...
viewmaster_pi posted...
it's actually nutty as fuck how she actually pushed him back even with his entourage of shitheads behind him

i'd be scared for my life coming across 6 dudes one night in harlem

Well I mean hmm..guess there's no way to say it without sounding offensive

why let that stop you

Because my mod history is not great at the moment
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0xDEFECADE
07/21/19 8:14:34 PM
#173:


inloveanddeath0 posted...
PleaseClap posted...
inloveanddeath0 posted...
viewmaster_pi posted...
it's actually nutty as fuck how she actually pushed him back even with his entourage of shitheads behind him

i'd be scared for my life coming across 6 dudes one night in harlem

Well I mean hmm..guess there's no way to say it without sounding offensive

why let that stop you

Because my mod history is not great at the moment

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viewmaster_pi
07/21/19 8:17:30 PM
#174:


what exactly requires an offensive response, anyway?
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thanosibe
07/21/19 8:24:55 PM
#175:


hyperpsycho posted...
inloveanddeath0 posted...
TeaMilk posted...
DarkRoast posted...
So glad I'm lesbian

What does this have to do with the topic I don't follow

She hates straight white men

The hate is justified.
Could you please shut the literal fuck up please? K. Thanks.
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Machete
07/21/19 8:27:06 PM
#176:


viewmaster_pi posted...
what exactly requires an offensive response, anyway?


Yeah I have no idea what he is trying to insinuate.
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inloveanddeath0
07/21/19 8:28:48 PM
#177:


Machete posted...
viewmaster_pi posted...
what exactly requires an offensive response, anyway?


Yeah I have no idea what he is trying to insinuate.

Ok. How transitioned was the victim?
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hockeybub89
07/21/19 8:30:26 PM
#178:


inloveanddeath0 posted...
Machete posted...
viewmaster_pi posted...
what exactly requires an offensive response, anyway?


Yeah I have no idea what he is trying to insinuate.

Ok. How transitioned was the victim?

Oh so this would have been as stupid a response as I imagined.
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inloveanddeath0
07/21/19 8:32:00 PM
#179:


hockeybub89 posted...
inloveanddeath0 posted...
Machete posted...
viewmaster_pi posted...
what exactly requires an offensive response, anyway?


Yeah I have no idea what he is trying to insinuate.

Ok. How transitioned was the victim?

Oh so this would have been as stupid a response as I imagined.

I wouldn't have responded if it didn't concern the physical strength of the victim
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mybbqrules
07/21/19 9:01:56 PM
#180:


DuranOfForcena posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
EggNogPrince posted...
That is fucked up he dodged a hate crime charge. The whole reason he killed her was because he found out he was hitting on a trans woman.

i'm not defending what the guy did, but it is absolutely the right charge. you don't have to hate transgenders in order to not want to date or flirt with one. and he clearly did not intend on killing her, that's why they went for a manslaughter charge and not a murder charge.

What the fucking fuck? Assaulting someone for who they are isnt a hate crime?

he didn't assault her for who she is though. it's not like he saw her across the street and immediately said "hey, there's a transgender, let's go beat them to death!" he assaulted her because he was a drunken idiot who severely overreacted to the realization that the person he was flirting with who he thought was a cis woman was not.


Hmmmm. Looks like the same thing to me, chief.
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Machete
07/21/19 9:11:02 PM
#181:


mybbqrules posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
EggNogPrince posted...
That is fucked up he dodged a hate crime charge. The whole reason he killed her was because he found out he was hitting on a trans woman.

i'm not defending what the guy did, but it is absolutely the right charge. you don't have to hate transgenders in order to not want to date or flirt with one. and he clearly did not intend on killing her, that's why they went for a manslaughter charge and not a murder charge.

What the fucking fuck? Assaulting someone for who they are isnt a hate crime?

he didn't assault her for who she is though. it's not like he saw her across the street and immediately said "hey, there's a transgender, let's go beat them to death!" he assaulted her because he was a drunken idiot who severely overreacted to the realization that the person he was flirting with who he thought was a cis woman was not.


Hmmmm. Looks like the same thing to me, chief.


he meant "he didn't assault her over who she is, he assaulted her over she isn't" which is the exact opposite
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OmegaPillow
07/21/19 9:11:57 PM
#182:


Ahhh the ol gonna beat beating their corpse after being knocked out. Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men but didnt deserve that beating.
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StrangerThings3
07/21/19 9:19:26 PM
#183:


Pretty tragic. He should get jail time for manslaughter, for responding with violence especially for punching a second time. He had the conscience to turn himself in at least.

I wouldnt call it a hate crime since he wasnt seeking to attacking anyone.
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Darmik
07/21/19 9:25:39 PM
#185:


StrangerThings3 posted...
I wouldnt call it a hate crime since he wasnt seeking to attacking anyone.


It's a hate crime because he assaulted her when he found out she was trans. You don't need to be out hunting for people for it to be a hate crime.
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StrangerThings3
07/21/19 9:32:26 PM
#186:


Darmik posted...
StrangerThings3 posted...
I wouldnt call it a hate crime since he wasnt seeking to attacking anyone.


It's a hate crime because he assaulted her when he found out she was trans. You don't need to be out hunting for people for it to be a hate crime.


He thought he was gonna be molested again, not that person was trans.
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Ruvan22
07/21/19 9:33:16 PM
#187:


viewmaster_pi posted...
0xDEFECADE posted...
he pushed her first IIRC

yes, and instead of backing off, she pushed back, hard enough to knock him on his ass

dude who killed her is definitely a murderer after hitting her while she was down and out, but usually getting pushed means "get the fuck off me," not "push me back and start a fight"


Do you often go around pushing people because they embarrassed you?
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Machete
07/21/19 9:39:17 PM
#189:


StrangerThings3 posted...
Darmik posted...
StrangerThings3 posted...
I wouldnt call it a hate crime since he wasnt seeking to attacking anyone.


It's a hate crime because he assaulted her when he found out she was trans. You don't need to be out hunting for people for it to be a hate crime.


He thought he was gonna be molested again, not that person was trans.


where did it say he had previously been molested and what age was he when it happened?
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StrangerThings3
07/21/19 9:43:59 PM
#190:


Thought he said in the article he had some bad run-ins before.
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Funkydog
07/21/19 9:47:05 PM
#191:


StrangerThings3 posted...
Thought he said in the article he had some bad run-ins before.

I.e. you made it up.
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StrangerThings3
07/21/19 9:48:44 PM
#192:


Hence, the panic defense. Panic that you would get assaulted.

It shouldnt be legal to respond with violence like that though.
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PleaseClap
07/21/19 9:55:41 PM
#193:


PleaseClap posted...

Basically, there's always someone in these topics saying "well, killing a trans woman is bad I guess, BUT we need to recognize that there's fault on both sides here. Who are we to say who's really to blame here?"

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Funkydog
07/21/19 9:58:04 PM
#194:


StrangerThings3 posted...
Hence, the panic defense. Panic that you would get assaulted.

It shouldnt be legal to respond with violence like that though.

So you agree it's a bullshit defence?

Why are you rambling on about something you say is bad?
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OmegaPillow
07/21/19 10:01:07 PM
#195:


Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men


Not only do you not realize the guy hit on her first, but that's pretty interesting that you think so little of straight men that you believe we must all be prone to violence if a transgender person hits on us

You never know whos a strong homophobe . Shouldve not tried it
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Ryuko_Chan
07/21/19 10:03:10 PM
#196:


OmegaPillow posted...
Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men


Not only do you not realize the guy hit on her first, but that's pretty interesting that you think so little of straight men that you believe we must all be prone to violence if a transgender person hits on us

You never know whos a strong homophobe . Shouldve not tried it

free speech
for real though seek help please.
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hockeybub89
07/21/19 10:05:19 PM
#197:


Someone literally gets killed for flirting and people are defending it. "Trans people should know how dangerous it is for their kind to talk to other human beings"

What the fuck
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PleaseClap
07/21/19 10:07:01 PM
#198:


hockeybub89 posted...
Someone literally gets killed for flirting and people are defending it. "Trans people should know how dangerous it is for their kind to talk to other human beings"

What the fuck

Oh yeah, you see it all the time
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PleaseClap
07/21/19 10:10:40 PM
#200:


Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men


Not only do you not realize the guy hit on her first, but that's pretty interesting that you think so little of straight men that you believe we must all be prone to violence if a transgender person hits on us

You never know whos a strong homophobe . Shouldve not tried it


Again, she didn't try it. I just told you that

And that's not a good justification. How the fuck are transgender people supposed to find any companion if they're supposed to be scared that every perceived straight person is going to punch them in the face over it

Thats the thing, they dont want trans people to find companionship
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OmegaPillow
07/21/19 10:10:53 PM
#201:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men


Not only do you not realize the guy hit on her first, but that's pretty interesting that you think so little of straight men that you believe we must all be prone to violence if a transgender person hits on us

You never know whos a strong homophobe . Shouldve not tried it

free speech
for real though seek help please.

Looks like you need help if someones opinion bother you so much
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OmegaPillow
07/21/19 10:11:40 PM
#202:


Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men


Not only do you not realize the guy hit on her first, but that's pretty interesting that you think so little of straight men that you believe we must all be prone to violence if a transgender person hits on us

You never know whos a strong homophobe . Shouldve not tried it


Again, she didn't try it. I just told you that

And that's not a good justification. How the fuck are transgender people supposed to find any companion if they're supposed to be scared that every perceived straight person is going to punch them in the face over it

Maybe a dating site or a gay club?
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hockeybub89
07/21/19 10:12:49 PM
#203:


OmegaPillow posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men


Not only do you not realize the guy hit on her first, but that's pretty interesting that you think so little of straight men that you believe we must all be prone to violence if a transgender person hits on us

You never know whos a strong homophobe . Shouldve not tried it

free speech
for real though seek help please.

Looks like you need help if someones opinion bother you so much

Gay panic exists because idiot opinions informed policy.
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HylianFox
07/21/19 10:13:11 PM
#204:


are you guys still going at it?

get a room
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OmegaPillow
07/21/19 10:13:47 PM
#205:


hockeybub89 posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Conflict posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
Shouldve not tried to hit on straight men


Not only do you not realize the guy hit on her first, but that's pretty interesting that you think so little of straight men that you believe we must all be prone to violence if a transgender person hits on us

You never know whos a strong homophobe . Shouldve not tried it

free speech
for real though seek help please.

Looks like you need help if someones opinion bother you so much

Gay panic exists because idiot opinions informed policy.

Idk what to say to that, wrong person to talk to on this matter
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viewmaster_pi
07/21/19 10:14:58 PM
#206:


Ruvan22 posted...
Do you often go around pushing people because they embarrassed you?

Of course not, but if I get pushed, I'm not gonna feel challenged like a wild animal and push back.
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