Current Events > Researchers claim testosterone cap won't fix trans athletes' 'unfair advantage'

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voldothegr8 07/17/19 10:46:46 AM #1:	https://bit.ly/2GgjPPE New Zealand researchers say trans athletes have an "unfair" advantage over other women and sport needs to fix binary gender categories. The advantages trans athletes have over female competitors are considerably large and sport needs to look hard at fairness, along with their inclusion policies, Otago University Associate professor of physiology Lynley Anderson says. The issue has been in the sporting spotlight in New Zealand since transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard qualified to compete in the women's category in the 2018 Commonwealth Games. Hubbard won the Pacific Games title last week. Male to female trans athletes have been allowed to compete in women's divisions since 2015 provided their testosterone level does not exceed 10 nanomoles per litre. However, the average amount of testosterone for a cis female (born female) ranges from .870nmol/L. to 1.7nmol/L - nearly ten times less than that limit. In a paper published in the BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics, Anderson and fellow Otago University researchers, Alison Heather and Taryn Knox, found the 10nmol/L level permitted by the International Olympic Committee was "significantly higher than that of cis-gender women, whose sex and gender align as female". Heather, also a professor of physiology, says the rule book needs to change. "It is ten to 20 times higher than a cis female, so this is one of my major concerns." "At the moment we are really targeting inclusiveness for our trans females to compete in a female division and in that aspect we are not considering a fairness issue for cis females." The New Zealand Olympic Committee stands by its policy around transgender athletes, but welcomes the research. "The issue of transgender athletes in elite sport is extremely complicated as it requires a balance to be struck between protecting an individual's human rights and ensuring the field of play remains fair," a spokesperson told Stuff. "NZOC will continue to work with and support all New Zealand team members who are eligible to compete under international rules." --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:924807501] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><quote>https://bit.ly/2GgjPPE New Zealand researchers say trans athletes have an "unfair" advantage over other women and sport needs to fix binary gender categories. The advantages trans athletes have over female competitors are considerably large and sport needs to look hard at fairness, along with their inclusion policies, Otago University Associate professor of physiology Lynley Anderson says. The issue has been in the sporting spotlight in New Zealand since transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard qualified to compete in the women's category in the 2018 Commonwealth Games. Hubbard won the Pacific Games title last week. Male to female trans athletes have been allowed to compete in women's divisions since 2015 provided their testosterone level does not exceed 10 nanomoles per litre. However, the average amount of testosterone for a cis female (born female) ranges from .870nmol/L. to 1.7nmol/L - nearly ten times less than that limit. In a paper published in the BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics, Anderson and fellow Otago University researchers, Alison Heather and Taryn Knox, found the 10nmol/L level permitted by the International Olympic Committee was "significantly higher than that of cis-gender women, whose sex and gender align as female". Heather, also a professor of physiology, says the rule book needs to change. "It is ten to 20 times higher than a cis female, so this is one of my major concerns." "At the moment we are really targeting inclusiveness for our trans females to compete in a female division and in that aspect we are not considering a fairness issue for cis females." The New Zealand Olympic Committee stands by its policy around transgender athletes, but welcomes the research. "The issue of transgender athletes in elite sport is extremely complicated as it requires a balance to be struck between protecting an individual's human rights and ensuring the field of play remains fair," a spokesperson told Stuff. "NZOC will continue to work with and support all New Zealand team members who are eligible to compete under international rules."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 07/17/19 10:46:53 AM #2:	Heather said the advantages go well beyond a testosterone level test. A trans athlete has prior exposure to testosterone, which develops larger muscle mass, muscle distribution and even the amount of oxygen the athlete can accumulate. "All these factors are not considered. We just say your testosterone level is under 10mnol/L. It is still much higher than a cis female and none of the rest is being considered. "It's not just your here and now testosterone that matters, there is also prior exposure to testosterone. Testosterone even form a fetus is defining a males brain, a male's bone structure and lung structure." "They have a different bone structure so they are able to put more power in their jumping and anything that involves having to lift something, they have more power in their legs through their knees to hip ratio." A woman's child-bearing hips also means her elbows are at a wider angle than a trans athlete's, putting them at a disadvantage as the smaller angle achieves more power. Heather said there was "actually science behind" the "you throw like a girl" comment. "The wider angle means we can't throw as forcefully or as far, on average. "On average, females have a disadvantage." The disadvantage for cis females was mainly in endurance and strength sports. The researchers concluded sport needed to review its inclusive policies alongside its fairness policies. They argued while trans athletes should absolutely be able to compete at top level sport, it should not be at the unfair disadvantage to a cis female athlete. "They have trained all their lives to be the best in their sport, and now we have trans females coming in to those sports and their division. "We need to have conversations about it and not sweep it under the carpet because more and more female athletes are getting affected at all levels of sport." There has not been a study on trans athletes to show exactly what advantages they have. The researchers said the ethical issue amounted to whether the advantage held by trans women was a tolerable or intolerable unfairness. "We conclude that the advantage to trans women afforded by the IOC guidelines is an intolerable unfairness," they stated in their research paper. "This does not mean trans women should be excluded from elite sport but that the existing male/female categories in sport should be abandoned in favour of a more nuanced approach satisfying both inclusion and fairness." They did not know the solution as yet, but thought some sort of handicap or overhaul of sport's categories would be a start. Potential solutions include excluding trans women from competing in the women's division, creating a third division for trans women and intersex women and calculating a handicap for trans women based on their testosterone levels similar to that used in golf. Their preferred option is an extension of this with a proposed algorithm that could account for a range of parameters, both physical and social, including physiological, gender identity and could include socioeconomic status. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:924807506] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><quote> Heather said the advantages go well beyond a testosterone level test. A trans athlete has prior exposure to testosterone, which develops larger muscle mass, muscle distribution and even the amount of oxygen the athlete can accumulate. "All these factors are not considered. We just say your testosterone level is under 10mnol/L. It is still much higher than a cis female and none of the rest is being considered. "It's not just your here and now testosterone that matters, there is also prior exposure to testosterone. Testosterone even form a fetus is defining a males brain, a male's bone structure and lung structure." "They have a different bone structure so they are able to put more power in their jumping and anything that involves having to lift something, they have more power in their legs through their knees to hip ratio." A woman's child-bearing hips also means her elbows are at a wider angle than a trans athlete's, putting them at a disadvantage as the smaller angle achieves more power. Heather said there was "actually science behind" the "you throw like a girl" comment. "The wider angle means we can't throw as forcefully or as far, on average. "On average, females have a disadvantage." The disadvantage for cis females was mainly in endurance and strength sports. The researchers concluded sport needed to review its inclusive policies alongside its fairness policies. They argued while trans athletes should absolutely be able to compete at top level sport, it should not be at the unfair disadvantage to a cis female athlete. "They have trained all their lives to be the best in their sport, and now we have trans females coming in to those sports and their division. "We need to have conversations about it and not sweep it under the carpet because more and more female athletes are getting affected at all levels of sport." There has not been a study on trans athletes to show exactly what advantages they have. The researchers said the ethical issue amounted to whether the advantage held by trans women was a tolerable or intolerable unfairness. "We conclude that the advantage to trans women afforded by the IOC guidelines is an intolerable unfairness," they stated in their research paper. "This does not mean trans women should be excluded from elite sport but that the existing male/female categories in sport should be abandoned in favour of a more nuanced approach satisfying both inclusion and fairness." They did not know the solution as yet, but thought some sort of handicap or overhaul of sport's categories would be a start. Potential solutions include excluding trans women from competing in the women's division, creating a third division for trans women and intersex women and calculating a handicap for trans women based on their testosterone levels similar to that used in golf. Their preferred option is an extension of this with a proposed algorithm that could account for a range of parameters, both physical and social, including physiological, gender identity and could include socioeconomic status.</quote></quote> ... 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ZMythos 07/17/19 10:48:44 AM #3:	Dissolve gender-seperated leagues and move to open divisions then. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:924807572] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>Dissolve gender-seperated leagues and move to open divisions then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 07/17/19 10:54:55 AM #4:	i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:924807820] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
50Blessings 07/17/19 10:56:07 AM #5:	shocked pikachu --- How about I say what I want and you keep crying about it? <cite>50Blessings posted [p:924807867] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>shocked pikachu</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TwoDoorPunkCab 07/17/19 10:57:38 AM #7:	who cares about what's fair as long as the transgenders' feelings aren't hurt --- Tell me your favourite things. Tell me your favourite things. <cite>TwoDoorPunkCab posted [p:924807932] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>who cares about what's fair as long as the transgenders' feelings aren't hurt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 07/17/19 11:08:29 AM #8:	As a man who doesn't participate in or spectate women's sports, I could care less if a woman never wins gold because of a transgender. If they have a problem with this they can be ones to say transgenders aren't real women. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:924808312] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>As a man who doesn't participate in or spectate women's sports, I could care less if a woman never wins gold because of a transgender. If they have a problem with this they can be ones to say transgenders aren't real women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 07/17/19 11:12:49 AM #9:	Hanky_Bannister posted... i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:924808474] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 07/17/19 11:13:17 AM #10:	voldothegr8 posted... Heather said there was "actually science behind" the "you throw like a girl" comment. "The wider angle means we can't throw as forcefully or as far, on average. Huh, never made the connection. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:924808498] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Heather said there was "actually science behind" the "you throw like a girl" comment. "The wider angle means we can't throw as forcefully or as far, on average.</quote> Huh, never made the connection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hanky_Bannister 07/17/19 11:17:50 AM #12:	i dont see anyone mad about trans people when it comes to MtF who now fight in women's leagues its completely unfair and needs to be addressed --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:924808643] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>i dont see anyone mad about trans people when it comes to MtF who now fight in women's leagues its completely unfair and needs to be addressed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 07/17/19 11:19:04 AM #13:	The research is wrong and transphobic --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:924808683] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>The research is wrong and transphobic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 07/17/19 11:44:09 AM #14:	Paragon21XX posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female. This is probably the best solution --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:924809616] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female.</quote> This is probably the best solution</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/17/19 11:45:16 AM #15:	voldothegr8 posted... Paragon21XX posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female. This is probably the best solution Why? Just open-league the whole thing. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:924809673] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female.</quote> This is probably the best solution</quote> Why? Just open-league the whole thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 07/17/19 11:54:24 AM #16:	Questionmarktarius posted... voldothegr8 posted... Paragon21XX posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female. This is probably the best solution Why? Just open-league the whole thing. Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:924810039] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female.</quote> This is probably the best solution</quote> Why? Just open-league the whole thing.</quote> Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/17/19 11:58:21 AM #17:	People being transphobic based on (generally unscientific) inferences, must be literally any given day --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:924810204] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>People being transphobic based on (generally unscientific) inferences, must be literally any given day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/17/19 12:03:32 PM #18:	voldothegr8 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... voldothegr8 posted... Paragon21XX posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female. This is probably the best solution Why? Just open-league the whole thing. Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports. Here's a list of Olympic medal winning trans women: Finished Yep, definitely gonna make it so cis women aren't the most abundant group in women's sports. Totally a valid fear, just like my fear of quicksand pits (that lead to the developer's room) in the Pacific Northwest. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/x2KBsjI.png <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:924810382] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female.</quote> This is probably the best solution</quote> Why? Just open-league the whole thing.</quote> Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports.</quote> Here's a list of Olympic medal winning trans women: Finished Yep, definitely gonna make it so cis women aren't the most abundant group in women's sports. Totally a valid fear, just like my fear of quicksand pits (that lead to the developer's room) in the Pacific Northwest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/17/19 12:05:06 PM #19:	voldothegr8 posted... Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports. If there's any overlap in the bell curves of sport-ability for men and women (hint: yes), then women will not disappear from sports. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:924810451] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports.</quote> If there's any overlap in the bell curves of sport-ability for men and women (hint: yes), then women will not disappear from sports.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 07/17/19 1:24:19 PM #20:	Paragon21XX posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female. Men's divisions are almost always open anyhow. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:924813818] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female.</quote> Men's divisions are almost always open anyhow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 07/17/19 1:32:54 PM #21:	Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait... <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:924814162] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 07/17/19 1:37:53 PM #23:	dis mah shocked face: :\| <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:924814391] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>dis mah shocked face: :\|</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 07/17/19 1:40:10 PM #24:	gunplagirl posted... voldothegr8 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... voldothegr8 posted... Paragon21XX posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female. This is probably the best solution Why? Just open-league the whole thing. Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports. Here's a list of Olympic medal winning trans women: Finished Yep, definitely gonna make it so cis women aren't the most abundant group in women's sports. Totally a valid fear, just like my fear of quicksand pits (that lead to the developer's room) in the Pacific Northwest. yeah but what about owning the liberals? --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:924814493] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>i think at this point we just need a transgender league aside</quote> Just make the men's division an open league from now on and leave the women's division only for women born phenotypically female.</quote> This is probably the best solution</quote> Why? Just open-league the whole thing.</quote> Because natural born women in sports would cease to exist? They're separated solely because men have a physiological advantage, thus without women's leagues there wouldn't be women in sports.</quote> Here's a list of Olympic medal winning trans women: Finished Yep, definitely gonna make it so cis women aren't the most abundant group in women's sports. Totally a valid fear, just like my fear of quicksand pits (that lead to the developer's room) in the Pacific Northwest.</quote> yeah but what about owning the liberals?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/17/19 1:41:47 PM #25:	Oh well --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:924814563] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>Oh well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/17/19 1:42:53 PM #26:	ThanksUglyGod posted... Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait... Look at how they dominate the WNBA....oh wait The World Cup...oh The Olympics...oh --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:924814612] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait...</quote> Look at how they dominate the WNBA....oh wait The World Cup...oh The Olympics...oh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CryoForceOmelet 07/17/19 1:45:22 PM #27:	If trans women are women there should be no issue with them holding records --- He's back <cite>CryoForceOmelet posted [p:924814727] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>If trans women are women there should be no issue with them holding records</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Comfy_Pillow 07/17/19 1:47:29 PM #28:	hockeybub89 posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait... Look at how they dominate the WNBA....oh wait The World Cup...oh The Olympics...oh If you played chess with someone and you start with two fewer pawns but win anyways Is that starting with a disadvantage? <cite>Comfy_Pillow posted [p:924814829] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait...</quote> Look at how they dominate the WNBA....oh wait The World Cup...oh The Olympics...oh</quote> If you played chess with someone and you start with two fewer pawns but win anyways Is that starting with a disadvantage?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/17/19 1:49:40 PM #29:	CryoForceOmelet posted... If trans women are women there should be no issue with them holding records "Equality! - except for reasons I don't like" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:924814928] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>CryoForceOmelet posted...</cite> <quote>If trans women are women there should be no issue with them holding records</quote> "Equality! - except for reasons I don't like"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 07/17/19 1:50:41 PM #30:	transwomen are biological males tho <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:924814978] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>transwomen are biological males tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/17/19 1:53:59 PM #31:	Comfy_Pillow posted... hockeybub89 posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait... Look at how they dominate the WNBA....oh wait The World Cup...oh The Olympics...oh If you played chess with someone and you start with two fewer pawns but win anyways Is that starting with a disadvantage? Cis women aren't starting with a disadvantage though because they will always have the advantage of numbers. Trans women are in no way a threat to the overall success of cis women in athletics. Unless someone wants to go on something like the transphobic bathroom rant and theorize that men are going to pretend to be women just to take over sports. Also curious how no one ever talks about FTM athletes and how them competing with women may not be fair. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:924815108] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>Comfy_Pillow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote>Would explain all the transgender superstar athletes. Oh wait...</quote> Look at how they dominate the WNBA....oh wait The World Cup...oh The Olympics...oh</quote> If you played chess with someone and you start with two fewer pawns but win anyways Is that starting with a disadvantage?</quote> Cis women aren't starting with a disadvantage though because they will always have the advantage of numbers. Trans women are in no way a threat to the overall success of cis women in athletics. Unless someone wants to go on something like the transphobic bathroom rant and theorize that men are going to pretend to be women just to take over sports. Also curious how no one ever talks about FTM athletes and how them competing with women may not be fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/17/19 1:55:58 PM #32:	Kaiganeer posted... transwomen are biological males tho No, they're biological transwomen. They are as they were made. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:924815196] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaiganeer posted...</cite> <quote>transwomen are biological males tho</quote> No, they're biological transwomen. They are as they were made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TommyG663513 07/17/19 2:19:09 PM #34:	Denying that trans women generally have an advantage over cis women in sports is a pretty dense thing to do. If you think there are absolutely zero problems with fairness from this then I'm gonna assume you have no understanding of athletics. There just isn't a way to keep everyone entirely happy. This is a complicated issue. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:924816129] in Researcher... [t:77869960]...</cite> <quote>Denying that trans women generally have an advantage over cis women in sports is a pretty dense thing to do. If you think there are absolutely zero problems with fairness from this then I'm gonna assume you have no understanding of athletics. There just isn't a way to keep everyone entirely happy. This is a complicated issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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