Current Events > I feel the male suicide epidemic is only going to get worse.

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Conflict posted...

Kolibri X posted...

No one gives a fuck about men. If women were dropping out of school and killing themselves at the rate men are it would be a big deal. In a nut shell, feminism has succeeded and we are forced to live in a new toxic, man hating society that is constantly emasculating men and tells them they need to do better. So now exposed to this reality you see men going their own way without even knowing what it is or are rage quitting life all together.

Smooth analysis. Except guess who are the ones calling men wusses for showing any emotion, citing it as "weaknesses" and always the first ones to talk shit about someone who commits suicide?

Spoilers: it's other men. Idiot.

As if the underlying problem with men wanting to die is as simple as "they're not allowed cry enough." Why are you chiming in about the problems facing men anyway?
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Lower testosterone means more depression.
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Conflict posted...

Kolibri X posted...

As if the underlying problem with men wanting to die is as simple as "they're not allowed cry enough."

I'm impressed that you've had an account for 16 years and yet your reading comprehension is worse than a first grader's. Did you even read past the first half of that paragraph, including the bit where I said men shit on men who commit suicide?

Kolibri X posted...

Why are you chiming in about the problems facing men anyway?

I don't know, why is a man chiming in about problems facing men? Tough question.

Lol why are you always so salty. Honestly I had a hard time finding a point to your comment. Men can be cruel to each other. Was that it? So what. Seems like all you do is try to flame people. I don't think too hard about any of your posts because of that.
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I stave off suicidal thoughts by keeping myself busy. The guide writing helps. Not only is it a creative outlet (of a sense), but I get the impression I'm helping people.
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I'm noticing a lot more talk of suicide and doom and gloom amongst men lately.

Ultimately, more talk is good. I'd rather people were openly discussing such feelings rather than bottling them up - they're more likely to get appropriate help.

pres_madagascar posted...

The hell is going on with us men?

Collapse of marriage and families. Used to be a bedrock of stability and love but now the institution is treated with great suspicion from so many men getting fucked over in divorce court. Tinder and casual sex apps and the hook-up culture with no intimacy is where both men and women lose in the long term.

Also men aren't taught to be men and traditional male behavior is looked down upon and thought suspicious. "You're not a strong man you're a potential rapist" this attitude permeates in larger cities.
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myzz7 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

The hell is going on with us men?

Collapse of marriage and families. Used to be a bedrock of stability and love for men and is now treated with great suspicion of getting fucked over in divorce court. Tinder and casual sex apps and the hook-up culture with no intimacy is where both men and women lose in the long term.

Also men aren't taught to be men and traditional male behavior is looked down upon and thought suspicious. "You're not a strong man you're a potential rapist" this attitude permeates in larger cities.

Im not seeing any of this at all. Please elaborate more?
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

myzz7 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

The hell is going on with us men?

Collapse of marriage and families. Used to be a bedrock of stability and love for men and is now treated with great suspicion of getting fucked over in divorce court. Tinder and casual sex apps and the hook-up culture with no intimacy is where both men and women lose in the long term.

Also men aren't taught to be men and traditional male behavior is looked down upon and thought suspicious. "You're not a strong man you're a potential rapist" this attitude permeates in larger cities.

Im not seeing any of this at all. Please elaborate more?

myzz is a MGTOW poster, fwiw
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myzz7 posted...

Also men aren't taught to be men and traditional male behavior is looked down upon and thought suspicious. "You're not a strong man you're a potential rapist" this attitude permeates in larger cities.

It's really funny seeing incels give their completely out-of-touch thoughts on why there's a suicide epidemic

gunplagirl posted...

JBaLLEN66 posted...

myzz7 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

The hell is going on with us men?

Collapse of marriage and families. Used to be a bedrock of stability and love for men and is now treated with great suspicion of getting fucked over in divorce court. Tinder and casual sex apps and the hook-up culture with no intimacy is where both men and women lose in the long term.

Also men aren't taught to be men and traditional male behavior is looked down upon and thought suspicious. "You're not a strong man you're a potential rapist" this attitude permeates in larger cities.

Im not seeing any of this at all. Please elaborate more?

myzz is a MGTOW poster, fwiw

Ohhh lol
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AwesomeToTheMAX posted...

myzz7 posted...

Also men aren't taught to be men and traditional male behavior is looked down upon and thought suspicious. "You're not a strong man you're a potential rapist" this attitude permeates in larger cities.

It's really funny seeing incels give their completely out-of-touch thoughts on why there's a suicide epidemic

Yeah, they act like theyll thrive in age if patriarchy when those times didnt have the internet or video games
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AwesomeToTheMAX posted...

It's really funny seeing incels give their completely out-of-touch thoughts on why there's a suicide epidemic

What are your thoughts about it then?

gunplagirl posted...

myzz is a MGTOW poster, fwiw

what does fwiw mean

JBaLLEN66 posted...

Yeah, they act like theyll thrive in age if patriarchy when those times didnt have the internet or video games

Don't even know what you're saying here.
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myzz7 posted...

what does fwiw mean

For women I weep

Conflict posted...

You don't really "think too hard" about anything, which is why you're always spouting conspiracy nonsense.

It was also kind of obvious that I brought up that point in response to you blaming feminism for the negative treatment men receive. If you can't follow along with a basic discussion there's probably no hope for you

If you can't see how modern feminism has become a toxic vehicle for shitting on men I don't what to tell ya, you're just not very observant. You're not interested in discussion judging from your weak name calling.
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I mean women are becoming more unobtainable as they are being paid better and are now more capable of being independent than ever. So yeah a lot of men are going to be more depressed since a lot of us base our perception of ourselves and how well we are performing in life on how much demand we can draw from women.

I mean women are becoming more unobtainable as they are being paid better and are now more capable of being independent than ever.

OH NO!

Ic3Bullet posted...

I mean women are becoming more unobtainable as they are being paid better and are now more capable of being independent than ever. So yeah a lot of men are going to be more depressed since a lot of us base our perception of ourselves and how well we are performing in life on how much demand we can draw from women.

I mean, one could call it "unobtainable", but in reality it's more the case of women requiring something different from a man other than someone to give them their money to live off of. Determining what that is is the modern challenge for men in a social sense.
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I'm wondering if younger men simply don't have a place in society anymore. Equality is great. However, I pause to wonder if men simply don't know what to do.
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Kolibri X posted...

If you can't see how modern feminism has become a toxic vehicle for shitting on men I don't what to tell ya, you're just not very observant. You're not interested in discussion judging from your weak name calling.

So you're blaming the male suicide epidemic on the feminists saying mean things on twitter

Alright then

I've struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts (thankfully I'm in a far better place now and don't really have these issues much anymore) and I can definitely tell you that feminists being mean had nothing to do with it.
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Doom_Art posted...

Kolibri X posted...

If you can't see how modern feminism has become a toxic vehicle for shitting on men I don't what to tell ya, you're just not very observant. You're not interested in discussion judging from your weak name calling.

So you're blaming the male suicide epidemic on the feminists saying mean things on twitter

Alright then

I've struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts (thankfully I'm in a far better place now and don't really have these issues much anymore) and I can definitely tell you that feminists being mean had nothing to do with it.

I didn't know you were the golden standard for male depression.

Nidhoggr posted...

I didn't know you were the golden standard for male depression.

Fair enough

I just don't see how that's the root cause of all of this.
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Doom_Art posted...

Kolibri X posted...

If you can't see how modern feminism has become a toxic vehicle for shitting on men I don't what to tell ya, you're just not very observant. You're not interested in discussion judging from your weak name calling.

So you're blaming the male suicide epidemic on the feminists saying mean things on twitter

Alright then

I've struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts (thankfully I'm in a far better place now and don't really have these issues much anymore) and I can definitely tell you that feminists being mean had nothing to do with it.

It's more of an upheaval of a mans place in society and family than name calling. It's in a mans nature to protect, provide and lead and opportunities for that are disappearing for a new generation. For all the handwringing about "pay gaps" for women, they certainly don't give a fuck that millennial men make less than their female peers who are constantly given messages of empowerment and pride while men get shit. It's a pretty shitty thing to do to young men.
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Kolibri X posted...

It's in a mans nature to protect, provide and lead and opportunities for that are disappearing for a new generation

It's hilarious that you are projecting these expectations unto men as a whole while simultaneously berating some feminist boogeyman in your head for apparently driving men to suicide.
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Kolibri X posted...

It's more of an upheaval of a mans place in society and family than name calling

I absolutely agree with this sentiment but to blame it on "toxic feminists" is pretty reductive and disingenuous.

Kolibri X posted...

For all the handwringing about "pay gaps" for women, they certainly don't give a fuck that millennial men make less than their female peers

I've never heard anything about a pay disparity between men and women in that direction. Can you explain?

Kolibri X posted...

who are constantly given messages of empowerment and pride while men get shit. It's a pretty shitty thing to do to young men.

I mean I think there's been some instances of overcorrection but I don't necessarily think one group being encouraged and empowered means another group is getting shit
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_Krave_ posted...

Lower testosterone means more depression.

Good post. Numerous studies have shown that men's testosterone levels have been steadily decreasing for decades now. The average dude in their prime today demonstrably has less T than their grandpa did (as an old man, even). Micro plastics, phytoestrogens, processed food, as well as numerous other environmental factors likely all play a role.

Lower testosterone leads to physical things like decreased muscle mass and increased fat gain, but it's also directly tied to a man's well-being (both real and perceived). Lower amounts will lead to less confidence, less vitality, unstable mood, less resilience to stress, etc.

Our society has changed a great deal, so men are also finding it hard to find a place to fit in and to compete. Lower testosterone definitely isn't helping matters.
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Kolibri X posted...

For all the handwringing about "pay gaps" for women, they certainly don't give a f*** that millennial men make less than their female peers who are constantly given messages of empowerment and pride while men get s***.

It's seen as men were always on top and therefor don't need to be encouraged or uplifted. You'll be seen as whining and crying and projecting. The reality is, young men today had nothing to do with the oppression of women, unless simply existing counts as oppression. It's some sort of payback mentality (I.E you have no right to complain cause you're kind has always been on top!), but the ones who are receiving the payback aren't actually responsible.

It may balance out in the future and be better for children who are just now being born, but young men currently may have to deal with duality issues where they feel like they are expected to be a certain way, but then aren't allowed to be that way at the same time.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

_Krave_ posted...

Lower testosterone means more depression.

Good post. Numerous studies have shown that men's testosterone levels have been steadily decreasing for decades now. The average dude in their prime today demonstrably has less T than their grandpa did (as an old man, even). Micro plastics, phytoestrogens, processed food, as well as numerous other environmental factors likely all play a role.

Lower testosterone leads to physical things like decreased muscle mass and increased fat gain, but it's also directly tied to a man's well-being (both real and perceived). Lower amounts will lead to less confidence, less vitality, unstable mood, less resilience to stress, etc.

Our society has changed a great deal, so men are also finding it hard to find a place to fit in and to compete. Lower testosterone definitely isn't helping matters.

How do we correct this in the future?
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Dyinglegacy posted...

How do we correct this in the future?

Short of cutting out all the processed shit in our foods, altering our lifestyle to be less sedentary, and putting men back into positions of manual labor I don't know that there's much you can do.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

How do we correct this in the future?

I don't know that it's even possible to correct, lol. Even if we stopped using all plastic (as an example) tomorrow, the environmental impact of it will probably be an issue for tens of thousands of years, if not more. Estrogen mimickers and endocrine disruptors in general are ubiquitous in our society and will be for generations. It causes a lot of problems for women too, but it's more noticeable for men because it essentially strips away what makes a man a man, biologically.

I just wonder if it ever gets to the point where all men are essentially required to be on synthetic T just for things like fertility and basic function. About all you can do now to give yourself a bit of a boost is eat a clean diet (meat and fresh vegetables kind of thing, no fast food or processed and definitely no sugar), support nutrients, exercise (preferably lifting heavy weights), reduce stress wherever possible, etc.
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Ic3Bullet posted...

I mean women are becoming more unobtainable as they are being paid better and are now more capable of being independent than ever. So yeah a lot of men are going to be more depressed since a lot of us base our perception of ourselves and how well we are performing in life on how much demand we can draw from women.

I say more unobtainable in the sense that although they are getting paid more and holding higher positions, they still tend to prefer to date men who are of higher status (or if on easy mode, of equal status) than them whether they deny it or not. Its most likely all subconscious.

Eg. Female doctors would think its shameful or frowned upon by their peers if they date a male nurse. But a male doctor dating a female nurse is not a big deal.

Or a female financial planner wouldnt date a male receptionist (if they ever would hire a male one in the first place, and yes I have worked with women who mocked at the idea of having a male receptionist when we were hiring for a new one at the time) but a male financial planner wouldnt mind dating a female receptionist or secetary,

Or a female engineer would never be caught dead with the male retail assistant but a male engineer wouldnt mind dating a female retail worker

Just makes it more harder for dudes these days that they just tend to give up. Then being demonized for simply being a dude on top of that. Tbh, dudes just kind of feel like they lost their purpose or dont know what is the correct way to be a male these days since there are some conflicting messages. One hand they are told to give up the power positions but then on the other hand that seems to be what women are subconsciously drawn to being attracted to.

Ultima Dragon posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

How do we correct this in the future?

I don't know that it's even possible to correct, lol. Even if we stopped using all plastic (as an example) tomorrow, the environmental impact of it will probably be an issue for tens of thousands of years, if not more. Estrogen mimickers and endocrine disruptors in general are ubiquitous in our society and will be for generations. It causes a lot of problems for women too, but it's more noticeable for men because it essentially strips away what makes a man a man, biologically.

I just wonder if it ever gets to the point where all men are essentially required to be on synthetic T just for things like fertility and basic function. About all you can do now to give yourself a bit of a boost is eat a clean diet (meat and fresh vegetables kind of thing, no fast food or processed and definitely no sugar), support nutrients, exercise (preferably lifting heavy weights), reduce stress wherever possible, etc.

That's depressing. I mean, the part that it got to this point in such a relatively very short time.
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I realize it's not really popular, but I don't see suicide as an issue.
It sucks, but none of us asked to be born. If you want out, I think you should be allowed. Life isn't inherently a precious thing to me and I believe you should have the right to end it if you want.

In a perfect world, no one would do it. But I don't think it's that bad. Maybe I'm missing something
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

_Krave_ posted...

Lower testosterone means more depression.

Good post. Numerous studies have shown that men's testosterone levels have been steadily decreasing for decades now. The average dude in their prime today demonstrably has less T than their grandpa did (as an old man, even). Micro plastics, phytoestrogens, processed food, as well as numerous other environmental factors likely all play a role.

Lower testosterone leads to physical things like decreased muscle mass and increased fat gain, but it's also directly tied to a man's well-being (both real and perceived). Lower amounts will lead to less confidence, less vitality, unstable mood, less resilience to stress, etc.

Our society has changed a great deal, so men are also finding it hard to find a place to fit in and to compete. Lower testosterone definitely isn't helping matters.

How do we correct this in the future?

Forced puberty blockers in everyone with testes, and estrogen shots for all of them upon reaching the age of 14.
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gunplagirl posted...

CarrieChan posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Capitalism isn't helping things any

Agreed. If it wasn't for capitalism, there will be less suicides because we'll be dying of starvation instead.

Nearly a 23:1 post to karma ratio, and I wasn't aware that humanity starved to extinction prior to the advent of capitalism.

Not sure what you are trying to imply.

Also @Arishok for no apparent reason.

One of the biggest obstacles we have to overcome as a society as a whole is first to take mental illness/problems more seriously. Second, we men need to seek out help when we are having issues and not keep it in to "man up". I'll use an example, 11 years ago we used to have a therapy center designed to help men with their problems. It got closed down in less than 3 years and the biggest reason for it was that it was rarely active because they didn't get a whole lot of clients. Whether its the fear in being shamed for seeking help or our pride that refuses to seek help; men are less likely to seek out help vs woman which plays a big role why men are more likely to take their own life than woman.
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Yes?
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It's a political topic.

Okay?
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Generations of mental health not being addressed among the male population (especially among minority communities) is coming back to bite us in the ass.
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Arishok posted...

Okay?

You are into those eh.

I'm not into anything. I try to avoid politics like the plague.
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Arishok posted...

I'm not into anything. I try to avoid politics like the plague.

It is probably better to spectate than to get involved honestly.

I have my popcorn .
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Nice!

Gobstoppers12 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Look at Chester Bennington, there's a video of him laughing and playing with his kids filmed mere hours before he took his life.

That's the chemical imbalance thing. You know, clinical depression. That's the one that's got nothing to do with "strength" or happiness, it's literally something that happens in somebody's brain which they cannot control without proper medications and therapy.

I don't know man, seems like society just hates men now. Women hate you unless you're a good looking rich dude with a very outgoing personality, other men hate you because competition and most average dudes have no one to turn to because being depressed makes you a total pussy to everyone else. So picture a life of loneliness, being broke and depressed with no social circle to fall back on because you lack the skill set to make friends, especially female friends, especially ESPECIALLY female love interests.

Suicide starts looking like a viable option to you. I've been there. I'm depressed all the time, not suicidal but at one point.... yes. Not anymore though.

Also health insurance doesn't cover therapy or mental health, so there's literally no one to turn to depending on your financial situation.
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