Board 8 > Did anyone dislike Detroit: Become Human?

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Knowing the style of game it is, of course. This game feels like the best of its kind and I don't know what other game has done this style better.

Masterpiece.

It's technically the best David Cage game but that isn't saying much
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I enjoy playing all of his games in a 'so bad it's good' way so I guess that would count as disliking it in the spirit of this topic

the singing scene was one of the hardest times I've ever laughed at a video game
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

It's technically the best David Cage game but that isn't saying much

This.

It has like one and a half decent to good storylines. Kara's campaign is inconsequential trash with the stupidest plot twist in recent years, Marcus' is ok at times but way too on the nose and David Cagey, and Connor's is great and the entire game should have focused on his and Hank's relationship.
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The writing is hilariously awful because of Cage, but the actual fundementals of the game are super solid. If they could boot Cage and get a decent human being to join the team as a writer, they could actually be putting out a good product.
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Murphiroth posted...

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

It's technically the best David Cage game but that isn't saying much

This.

It has like one and a half decent to good storylines. Kara's campaign is inconsequential trash with the stupidest plot twist in recent years, Marcus' is ok at times but way too on the nose and David Cagey, and Connor's is great and the entire game should have focused on his and Hank's relationship.

pretty much this
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Yeah what Murph said

It was OK overall, I think without Connor it would actually be bad

It's another David Cage game I would never recommend playing twice because some of the early Markus chapters are an absolute chore
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Murphiroth posted...

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

It's technically the best David Cage game but that isn't saying much

This.

It has like one and a half decent to good storylines. Kara's campaign is inconsequential trash with the stupidest plot twist in recent years, Marcus' is ok at times but way too on the nose and David Cagey, and Connor's is great and the entire game should have focused on his and Hank's relationship.

is the twist as bad as the heavy rain twist
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I think it's worse tbqh

The presentation of the twist is comically bad
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I think the twist is worse too. In both cases the story straight up lies to keep up the facade, but even though Detroit has a bit of a hand wave excuse that HR doesn't, Detroit's raises world-shattering questions and exists only to keep existing dramatic tension from being rendered partially irrelevant.
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Honestly the entire idea that an android can just pop off their LED and become indistinguishable from a human is pretty poor writing.

I give a lot of media a high tolerance for BS and I often suspend my disbelief in favor of just enjoying myself but if a movie or game makes me stop and think "wait how the fuck does that work" then that's points against it

I also end up being extra critical of David Cage because he's so full of himself

That said Detroit is still the best of his games although I think I personally enjoy Heavy Rain more

Like if I ranked it would be like

Connors story
Heavy rain
Detroit as a whole
Indigo prophecy
Just kara and markus' stories
Beyond two souls
Omikron
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I'm sure the game will sell a million copies with a game called Detroid: Zero Charisma

Quantic Dreams David Cage said, The story Im telling is really about androids, adding I dont want the game to have something to say, because I dont see myself delivering a message to people.

That quote has always infuriated me since I read it
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Remember when Markus' tag choices included the literal black power fist

David Cage is a master of subtlety
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But yeah, Detroit is frustrating because you can see something truly brilliant underneath it all, like the best example of using game mechanics to tell a powerful allegorical story while still being hyper-traditional about how youre telling it.

But then a lot of it is undermined
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Remember when one of the dialogue options was literally "I have a dream
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I did a playthrough where I didn't let Kara become a Deviant and I killed Markus as early as possible and I was really frustrated how little the story changed

Letting the latter character die locks you into the violent Android ending whether you had played pacifist up until the point you die or not and the former characters' death actually improves the game by shaving off a few inconsequential hours IMO

The game would have probably been better if it were just two characters more closely intertwined (Markus and Connor) or just one character with a way more nuanced, fleshed out story. He could have still had 3 but I don't think David Cage should be trusted with that many storylines anymore
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ZenOfThunder posted...

The game would have probably been better if it were just two characters more closely intertwined (Markus and Connor)

Indeed. The problem was that the whole thing started with the "Kara" trailer before the game even had a name (and before Beyond Two Souls had even come out). Then it seemed like they ended up writing a story that didn't involve her at all, only to go back and be like "shit, I knew we were forgetting something."
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ZenOfThunder posted...

He could have still had 3 but I don't think David Cage should be trusted with that many storylines anymore

You say that, but arguably* his 2 worst stories are limited to a single PoV, so it doesn't seem to help.

*Only B2S is arguable. Omikron is easily the worst by a large degree.
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maybe he just shouldn't be trusted to write and direct games by himself anymore then

pair him up with someone that can reel in the crazy frenchness
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Press X to "no more slavery"

I liked the twist in heavy rain.

I was frustrated with Detroit at first, but vented by playing intentionally stupidly for a while and eventually came around. Got a pretty bad ending but enjoyed making fun of the ride while I was on it
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the twist in heavy rain was that the game was lying to you the entire goddamn time

and it can't even rely on the unreliable narrator argument because that's just not how it's presented
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3DSRage posted...

Masterpiece.

This topic seems to have backfired
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I liked it quite a bit!
Actually it was my first PS4/current gen game I played so I'll always have a soft spot for it.
But after thinking about it and reading the discussions, there were some pretty blatant flaws.
Markus' is just not subtle at all and hilariously messianic. Kara's actually I do like! But it really doesn't matter much to the overarching story, maybe they could've released it as a stand alone chapter or something like Ada's part in RE4.
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I really liked Hank and Connor and from what I've read post-release, most of that was in spite of David Cage, who hated their adlibbing. Markus would have worked better if you weren't playing as him and were trying to piece his story together from Hank and Connor's POV. Kara's whole storyline was pointless, especially in the overall scheme of things and the twist made it even more so.

I did enjoy it overall, I guess, but there are so many parts where characters or organisations act so completely out of sync with reality to make the story work.

I've always thought that Quantic Dream were a great dev studio, hampered by an inept president. Replace Cage with someone competent and they could be pushing out some amazing stuff.
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