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AsucaHayashi
07/07/19 2:25:48 PM
#51:


Cobra1010 posted...
AsucaHayashi posted...
people: this looks too much like the original.. PASS
also people: this doesn't look enough like the original.. PASS


Hooray, you learnt that different people want different things.

So the next question kid,

Do you try to please everyone or just a specific portion?


trick question. people have proven they are morons and no company should try to appease any of them since money will be handed over regardless.
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Skye Reynolds
07/07/19 2:32:26 PM
#52:


My biggest gripe with the original is the revenge cuckolding that takes place.

Li Shang's father is killed and he swears revenge. But never mind that. Mulan found the doll of a little girl that was killed (and probably assaulted), so Shan Yu is her adversary to defeat. After all, she's in the movie's title. I hate that in movies. If the hero is to defeat the villain, as is normal, the hero should be the one who has the greatest motivation to defeat the bad guy. Don't just have the hero sweep in and take over someone else's revenge narrative.

That's why I'm in full support of leaving out Li Shang. Despite being Mulan's film, the movie was really more about the male supporting characters than it was her. Eddie Murphy's Mushu was the most memorable character and the story followed Li Shang more than it did Mulan.

This film corrects that. I do think it's silly that she doesn't appear to be trying to hide her sex -- as was the core of the original story -- but that seldom if ever translates well into live action anyway. We pretend that a girl is a boy because she wears her hair short or puts on a baseball cap. It never works.

I can't speak for anyone else. But for me personally, I think this has the potential to be more enjoyable than the animated movie.
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Lorenzo_2003
07/07/19 2:33:56 PM
#53:


Feline_Heart posted...
You want some Italians and Africans to be fighting in the Chinese army?


Is Mulan a work of fiction with fictional characters?
Is Disney making this movie?
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Skye Reynolds
07/07/19 2:34:28 PM
#54:


And, yes, I did just use the words "revenge cuckolding."

It's one of my biggest gripes in action movies. <_<
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Blighboy
07/07/19 2:35:16 PM
#55:


Skye Reynolds posted...
And, yes, I did just use the words "revenge cuckolding."

It's one of my biggest gripes in action movies. <_<

You'd have loved GoT S8E3
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AceMos
07/07/19 2:38:45 PM
#56:


just a PSA for some people mulan is NOT an orriginal disney story its based on a very very old chinnese folk tale

the huns where not who she fought in it

and in it she was allready a badass before she trained int he army and she became a high ranking general after service for 12 years

also in SOME (not all) versions the people under her command did know of her gender

i dont think this one should be viewed as a live action remake at all rather it should be viewed as disney just doing another take on the story this time more faithfull to the original tale

hell apprently sony has there own mulan film coming out next year
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Skye Reynolds
07/07/19 2:41:43 PM
#57:


AceMos posted...
also in SOME (not all) versions the people under her command did know of her gender


I've never heard that version before. It was always the twist ending that her fellow soldiers came to pay their respects after the war and were surprised to find she was a woman.
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AceMos
07/07/19 2:45:25 PM
#58:


Skye Reynolds posted...
AceMos posted...
also in SOME (not all) versions the people under her command did know of her gender


I've never heard that version before. It was always the twist ending that her fellow soldiers came to pay their respects after the war and were surprised to find she was a woman.

thats the most common version yes

the ones where people know tend to be the ones where she has a love interest which is seemingly the version this film is going with

i am by no means a expert on this story ive just heard alot of stuff on it over the years

so yea dont ask for heavy details just random info ive heard over the years from collecting info on my fave disney film
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Christian RULES
07/07/19 2:55:11 PM
#59:


I am not digging the casting choice for Mulan although she's hot. I think zoe Saldana would be a better Mulan
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Middle hope
07/07/19 2:57:47 PM
#60:


Why didnt disney make her black? Do they hate diversity?
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Damn_Underscore
07/07/19 2:59:38 PM
#61:


Maybe we'll get hand-drawn remakes of their CGI animated movies.
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marc55
07/07/19 3:01:34 PM
#62:


Skye Reynolds posted...
Wait...

Is she not hiding the fact that she's a woman this time? They're all just okay with the most bad ass warrior being a chick? Man, ancient China was more progressive than I thought.

in the part where shes training with other soldiers looks like she in disguise

maybe the reveal wont be near the end of the movie this time or she loses it during a fight and shes was only seen by their enemies
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:09:02 PM
#63:


Middle hope posted...
Why didnt disney make her black? Do they hate diversity?

because the film is set in ancient china

your joke falls flat because mulans race is actually part of the story and setting
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SSJGrimReaper
07/07/19 3:10:25 PM
#64:


Middle hope posted...
Why didnt disney make her black? Do they hate diversity?

the type of post you'd expect from a anime girl icon
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DeadBankerDream
07/07/19 3:12:30 PM
#65:


AceMos posted...
Middle hope posted...
Why didnt disney make her black? Do they hate diversity?

because the film is set in ancient china

your joke falls flat because mulans race is actually part of the story and setting

That same excuse doesnt seem to be valid about media set in medievel Europe
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:19:30 PM
#66:


DeadBankerDream posted...
AceMos posted...
Middle hope posted...
Why didnt disney make her black? Do they hate diversity?

because the film is set in ancient china

your joke falls flat because mulans race is actually part of the story and setting

That same excuse doesnt seem to be valid about media set in medievel Europe

WTF are you talking about
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Torrific
07/07/19 3:25:02 PM
#67:


AceMos posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
AceMos posted...
Middle hope posted...
Why didnt disney make her black? Do they hate diversity?

because the film is set in ancient china

your joke falls flat because mulans race is actually part of the story and setting

That same excuse doesnt seem to be valid about media set in medievel Europe

WTF are you talking about


Probably this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7z4swq/kingdom_come_deliverance_accused_of_racism_in/

If you include fantasy:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-what-is-the-excuse-for-virtually-no-black-people-in-the-witcher-3.7574/

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/apr/06/there-are-no-black-people-on-game-of-thrones-why-is-fantasy-tv-so-white
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Big_Nabendu
07/07/19 3:25:38 PM
#68:


No mushu?
Fuck this shit
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ThunderTrain
07/07/19 3:25:45 PM
#69:


How will they change Be A Man to be more millennial?
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gna647
07/07/19 3:26:48 PM
#70:


Guy that choreographed house of flying daggers is doing choreo in This right?
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:32:01 PM
#71:


Big_Nabendu posted...
No mushu?
Fuck this shit

mushu is not in the original fable
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DeadBankerDream
07/07/19 3:33:17 PM
#72:


Since when are Disney remakes of Disney films related to the original stories and not the Disney film the Disney remake is Disney remaking?

Is Ariel gonna die and turn to sea foam in the live action Little Mermaid?

Also according to wiki Mushu seems to be in the movie in some capacity they're not revealing. I'd guess as a statue or something.
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:33:18 PM
#73:


ThunderTrain posted...
How will they change Be A Man to be more millennial?

1. the people who watched the animated film are milleninials

2. its been confirmed the song is not in this film which is dumb

ill make a man out of you dont really work for the mulan of the original fable cus she was already a tallented fighter

but i can still make the song work for this more faithful adaption

have HER be the one singing her CO sees her skills and tallent and asks her to whip the others into shape

hell if this adaption has mulan rise tot he rank of general over her 12 year career (which i fully expect this adaption to do) the song also forshadows her being destined to lead

most iconic song stays in the film but has a new meaning to it
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:35:26 PM
#74:


DeadBankerDream posted...
Since when are Disney remakes of Disney films related to the original stories

this one factually is the youtube description for hte trailer even flat out says based on the narrative poem The Ballad of Mulan.
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dave_is_slick
07/07/19 3:43:50 PM
#75:


ledbowman posted...
Roger Ebert posted...

And it's a reminder that animation is the ideal medium for fantasy, because all of its fears and dreams can be made literal. No Gothic castle in the history of horror films, for example, has ever approached the awesome, frightening towers of the castle where the Beast lives. And no real wolves could have fangs as sharp or eyes as glowing as the wolves that prowl in the castle woods.

It reminds us, as all good animation does, that somehow these cartoons of lines and colors and movements can create a kind of life that is more archetypal, more liberating, than images that are weighed down by human bodies and the gravity that traps them.

Animation often finds a direct line to my imagination: It's pure story, character, movement and form, without the distractions of reality or the biographical baggage of the actors.

Animation cuts loose from what we can actually see and shows us what we might ideally see.

Why would you want to watch a version of Mulan that cuts that out.

Animation does things that live action can't?? No fucking way, that's totally something that proves every one of the live action ones are just awful because they aren't cartoons!!!

Shut the fuck up dude, nobody cares about some old-ass critic.
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dave_is_slick
07/07/19 3:44:21 PM
#76:


AceMos posted...
2. its been confirmed the song is not in this film which is dumb

And I'm not watching this now.
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TheVipaGTS
07/07/19 3:45:19 PM
#77:


Guys...Guys....Maybe McDonalds will bring back Szechuan sauce for this.
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Rika_Furude
07/07/19 3:46:17 PM
#78:


Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan
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DeadBankerDream
07/07/19 3:46:49 PM
#79:


dave_is_slick posted...
Shut the fuck up dude, nobody cares about some old-ass critic.

Roger Ebert was Jesus' second coming.
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:47:36 PM
#80:


Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)
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YookaLaylee
07/07/19 3:47:45 PM
#81:


DeadBankerDream posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
Shut the fuck up dude, nobody cares about some old-ass critic.

Roger Ebert was Jesus' second coming.

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dave_is_slick
07/07/19 3:49:25 PM
#82:


YookaLaylee posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
Shut the fuck up dude, nobody cares about some old-ass critic.

Roger Ebert was Jesus' second coming.

Still a critic that I don't care about. All those quotes reeked of pretentiousness.
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:50:31 PM
#83:


roger ebert was a amazing person but his critique abilities did not advance with time one example of this was he refused to see video games as art
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Torrific
07/07/19 3:51:09 PM
#84:


AceMos posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)


If she was played by a black actress, the people defending the casting would argue that it's her gender, not her skin color that is integral to the story.
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Rika_Furude
07/07/19 3:51:49 PM
#85:


AceMos posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)

Same reason a mermaid that lives deep underwater with limited light has black skin
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LethalAffinity
07/07/19 3:52:12 PM
#86:


I am so sick of these live action remakes and they have put Disney on my shitlist.

This will continue until these movies aren't profitable anymore. We're going to keep getting the same soulless bullshit over and over again until then...if that ever happens.
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:53:34 PM
#87:


Torrific posted...
AceMos posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)


If she was played by a black actress, the people defending the casting would argue that it's her gender, not her skin color that is integral to the story.

so you have ignored every thing people have said about the little mermaid thing you just want to strawman

you know damn well what the difference is you just want to justify your own issues and project them on every one else
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DeadBankerDream
07/07/19 3:53:39 PM
#88:


AceMos posted...
roger ebert was a amazing person but his critique abilities did not advance with time one example of this was he refused to see video games as art

Good thing the only people who cared about a film critic's views on videogames are the kind of people who have a permanent doritos powder beard.
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:54:05 PM
#89:


LethalAffinity posted...
I am so sick of these live action remakes

good thing this is NOT a live action remake

its a brand new adaption of the original fable with a fully different story
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dave_is_slick
07/07/19 3:54:36 PM
#90:


DeadBankerDream posted...
AceMos posted...
roger ebert was a amazing person but his critique abilities did not advance with time one example of this was he refused to see video games as art

Good thing the only people who cared about a film critic's views on videogames are the kind of people who have a permanent doritos powder beard.

Well this is a stupid post.
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:54:59 PM
#91:


DeadBankerDream posted...
AceMos posted...
roger ebert was a amazing person but his critique abilities did not advance with time one example of this was he refused to see video games as art

Good thing the only people who cared about a film critic's views on videogames are the kind of people who have a permanent doritos powder beard.

did you miss the part where i called him an amazing person i was not attacking him i have nothing but respect for the man

that dont mean we cant critique the man on some of his opinions in fact it is down right insulting to the man to not do that
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Esrac
07/07/19 3:56:04 PM
#92:


The Make a Man Out of You song isn't in this movie?

Hard pass.
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TheVipaGTS
07/07/19 3:56:37 PM
#93:


Torrific posted...
If she was played by a black actress, the people defending the casting would argue that it's her gender, not her skin color that is integral to the story.

you're trying too hard
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AceMos
07/07/19 3:57:37 PM
#94:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Torrific posted...
If she was played by a black actress, the people defending the casting would argue that it's her gender, not her skin color that is integral to the story.

you're trying too hard

you know full well they are not trying anything that is the posters legit views its 2019 people really are that clueless
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MC_BatCommander
07/07/19 3:57:53 PM
#95:


no mushu no watch tbh
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Torrific
07/07/19 3:58:36 PM
#96:


AceMos posted...
Torrific posted...
AceMos posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)


If she was played by a black actress, the people defending the casting would argue that it's her gender, not her skin color that is integral to the story.

so you have ignored every thing people have said about the little mermaid thing you just want to strawman

you know damn well what the difference is you just want to justify your own issues and project them on every one else


Show me proof that there are no black people in ancient China.
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YookaLaylee
07/07/19 3:58:48 PM
#97:


Rika_Furude posted...
AceMos posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)

Same reason a mermaid that lives deep underwater with limited light has black skin

Sunlight makes a person become african american? What? lol
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DeadBankerDream
07/07/19 3:59:31 PM
#98:


AceMos posted...
that dont mean we cant critique the man on some of his opinions in fact it is down right insulting to the man to not do that

You absolutely should criticize everything the man said, especially when he said Kingdom of Heaven wasn't a shit film, but the focus on videogames has nothing to do with 99... wait no, 100% of the body of his work and is only done by people without an interest in his actual work and who are basically lobbyists for the video games is art acceptance movement. It's more of a red herring than communism.
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Rika_Furude
07/07/19 4:01:30 PM
#99:


YookaLaylee posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
AceMos posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)

Same reason a mermaid that lives deep underwater with limited light has black skin

Sunlight makes a person become african american? What? lol

Dont tell me you dont know why african people typically have dark skin as opposed to europeans
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AceMos
07/07/19 4:01:47 PM
#100:


Torrific posted...
AceMos posted...
Torrific posted...
AceMos posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Surprised disney showed some restraint and didnt cast a black woman as mulan

why would they when the movie is set in CHINA there where no black people in ancient china

they cast a chinese woman to play a iconic chinese character from a chinese fable who may or may not have been a real person (im in the camp she is not a real person but the fable is based on a real person or persons)


If she was played by a black actress, the people defending the casting would argue that it's her gender, not her skin color that is integral to the story.

so you have ignored every thing people have said about the little mermaid thing you just want to strawman

you know damn well what the difference is you just want to justify your own issues and project them on every one else


Show me proof that there are no black people in ancient China.


you want proof that there where no black people in china in 386536AD

i am not your history teacher im not going to explain the many many things you clearly need to know about human history to you
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