Current Events > What great economy? 40% of Americans struggle to pay bills

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pres_madagascar posted...

My car is $325 a month but is almost paid off.

What kind of car is it?

However, I have 20k in credit card debt I had to stop paying on two years ago. So far only one has sued me for a judgment, but the garnishment hasn't started yet.

What caused this debt?

I also have rent, car insurance, cell phone, gas, etc..

My big point was going to be that rent is probably your biggest reason for your struggle. Your cell phone bill shouldn't be that expensive if you're alone. Your car insurance depends a lot upon what kind of car you drive, but it should decrease once you own your car.

Manocheese posted...

Schools should do a better job teaching personal finance, but people still have free will. If they choose to spend $2000 a year on smart phones and then whine about not being able to pay their bills, that's on them.

believe it or not, there are many people who spend significantly less than $2000 a year on smart phones and still struggle to pay bills
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Actually... Between the lack of sick days off and lack of guaranteed time off in most fields? We have less vacation time than peasantry. None of those "once every 3 months week long festival for drinking and other stuff" deals, either. And of course, the nobles let the peasants do that because it was what helped keep them happy and not, you know, angry enough to rise up and slaughter entire noble bloodlines.

Meanwhile we're sick and can't take time off because we need a doctor's note for a job that doesn't offer health insurance. And it's because of the demonization of unions by Boomers that we have little recourse. That said, because we're sick and have little recourse, we can't strike. And people aren't in favor of what used to happen to business owners before strikes were acceptable, which was usually angry workers beating the crap out of the business owner in front of his family.

Then go start your own business where you're your own boss and keep all the money.

Have no employees at first and be a 1 person business.

Then you can choose what kind of benefits to give to your employees vs how much you choose to pay them IF you choose to even have employees.

Let's see how you do in kind when you're on the top of the food chain and having to pay workers.

You keep complaining, about not having ___

Try running your own business and dealing with the other side of the equation for once and see how you manage.

If you're self employed and a 1 person operation, I can gurantee you that if you don't work, you miss out on income.

There is no time off since you are your own boss / employer / employee.

Yes you get to keep all the revenue, not having to pay employees.

But you don't get "Time-Off" and income only comes in as customers makes orders for your products / services.

Try living on the other side of the equation and get back to us on what it's like for you on the other side of the Employer/Employee divide.

again, you are treating this like a problem at the individual level. it is not, and your solution does not actually solve the problem.
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averagejoel posted...

CountDog posted...

I mean it's a pretty great economy for rich people.

ding ding ding

I'm not rich and my family is doing very well
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Thats because most people buy shit they dont need (new cars, big houses, online shopping, etc)

Perascamin posted...

You guys need to stop thinking that uneducated = poor. The average truck driver is making 85k a year when they're a legal citizen. Contractors with a little sense are making well over 200k a year. Mid-Ranking Oil Riggers make over 80k. Managers in factories make over 75k. Hell, a factory maintenance man can easily make 60k and generally requires little experience

Theres a reason why uneducated, country ass people are able to afford their big ass trucks and ATVs or guns, and it's not through loans.

This post is fucking stupid.

You can be uneducated and have money. Yes. Everything else you said is dumb.
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averagejoel posted...

again, you are treating this like a problem at the individual level. it is not, and your solution does not actually solve the problem

I'm just telling you to try being on the other side of the Employer / Employee divide.

Go make a business of your choosing, hire some employees, figure out what you'll offer them.
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Rent is too damn high, and property values are way overvalued. I'd also argue that the auto industry trying to push so many damn SUV's and trucks is also kind of bullshit.

Other than that, people who struggle while having an education and decent job are struggling because they live beyond their means.

Look at that guy up there. He doesn't own shit yet has 20k debt in credit cards that he doesn't pay?

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

averagejoel posted...

CountDog posted...

I mean it's a pretty great economy for rich people.

ding ding ding

I'm not rich and my family is doing very well

good for you.

your next step should be learning to think about these issues beyond yourself. your family is statistically insignificant and your position does not describe a majority, or even a plurality, of people.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

again, you are treating this like a problem at the individual level. it is not, and your solution does not actually solve the problem

I'm just telling you to try being on the other side of the Employer / Employee divide.

Go make a business of your choosing, hire some employees, figure out what you'll offer them.

why
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averagejoel posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

again, you are treating this like a problem at the individual level. it is not, and your solution does not actually solve the problem

I'm just telling you to try being on the other side of the Employer / Employee divide.

Go make a business of your choosing, hire some employees, figure out what you'll offer them.

why

Because you shouldn't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

I'm doing better than ever. Just put in work and learn skills. It's not hard. Most people just spend their free time time watching tv or doing other mindless tasks.
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averagejoel posted...

why

It's always easy to whine / complain about the big bad "Employer" and how they mistreat their Employee's.

Try being on the other end of the table and do things from that perspective.
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ArchiePeck posted...

averagejoel posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

again, you are treating this like a problem at the individual level. it is not, and your solution does not actually solve the problem

I'm just telling you to try being on the other side of the Employer / Employee divide.

Go make a business of your choosing, hire some employees, figure out what you'll offer them.

why

Because you shouldn't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

fundamentally, employers as a class of people are exploiting their employees. that is not me whining or complaining about any employer; it's me describing the relationship between employer and employee
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

why

It's always easy to whine / complain about the big bad "Employer" and how they mistreat their Employee's.

Try being on the other end of the table and do things from that perspective.

I'm not whining or complaining. "exploitation" is an accurate way to describe the relationship between employer and employee.
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averagejoel posted...

I'm not whining or complaining. "exploitation" is an accurate way to describe the relationship between employer and employee.

That's your perspective.

Have you ever run a business / owned a business and had employees?
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

I'm not whining or complaining. "exploitation" is an accurate way to describe the relationship between employer and employee.

That's your perspective.

Have you ever run a business / owned a business and had employees?

I am describing a system here, not talking about personal experience. do not try to derail this.
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averagejoel posted...

I am describing a system here, not talking about personal experience. do not try to derail this.

I'm not trying to de-rail this. Just answer my question.
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averagejoel posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

averagejoel posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

again, you are treating this like a problem at the individual level. it is not, and your solution does not actually solve the problem

I'm just telling you to try being on the other side of the Employer / Employee divide.

Go make a business of your choosing, hire some employees, figure out what you'll offer them.

why

Because you shouldn't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

fundamentally, employers as a class of people are exploiting their employees. that is not me whining or complaining about any employer; it's me describing the relationship between employer and employee

Your description is inaccurate to say the least. Employers pay employees a specific wage that the employee agreed to before ever starting said job.
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averagejoel posted...

fundamentally, employers as a class of people are exploiting their employees. that is not me whining or complaining about any employer; it's me describing the relationship between employer and employee

This comrade's rhetoric hasn't been accurate since the days of Charles Dickinson.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

I am describing a system here, not talking about personal experience. do not try to derail this.

I'm not trying to de-rail this. Just answer my question.

regardless of whether or not you're intentionally trying to, your question is derailing it. if you ask a relevant question instead, I will answer that.
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averagejoel posted...

regardless of whether or not you're intentionally trying to, your question is derailing it. if you ask a relevant question instead, I will answer that.

I consider it a relevant question, that is why I'm asking.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

regardless of whether or not you're intentionally trying to, your question is derailing it. if you ask a relevant question instead, I will answer that.

I consider it a relevant question, that is why I'm asking.

I do not, that is why I'm not answering.
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averagejoel posted...

I do not, that is why I'm not answering.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Since I don't agree with your perspective on Employer / Employee relationships.
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Cost of living has risen much faster and higher than wages.

There are plenty of jobs but not many of them pay well.

Meanwhile investors are making money hand over fist.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

I do not, that is why I'm not answering.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Since I don't agree with your perspective on Employer / Employee relationships.

I don't care if you agree or not. employers are fundamentally exploiting their employees, and that relationship exists independently of any individual circumstances. if you want to ask questions about that, then feel free. but personal experience is irrelevant here. thank you and have a nice day
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averagejoel posted...

I don't care if you agree or not. employers are fundamentally exploiting their employees, and that relationship exists independently of any individual circumstances. if you want to ask questions about that, then feel free. but personal experience is irrelevant here. thank you and have a nice day

That's the thing, I don't agree that Employers are exploiting their employees. That's your perspective on the relationship, but I and other posters don't agree with you on that.

And personal experience is relevant IMO.

Thank you & have a nice day!
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smh
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

I don't care if you agree or not. employers are fundamentally exploiting their employees, and that relationship exists independently of any individual circumstances. if you want to ask questions about that, then feel free. but personal experience is irrelevant here. thank you and have a nice day

That's the thing, I don't agree that Employers are exploiting their employees. That's your perspective on the relationship, but I and other posters don't agree with you on that.

And personal experience is relevant IMO.

Thank you & have a nice day!

Don't waste your time, he can't substantiate his claim. He spews that shit about "exploitation" every time and then runs away when anyone challenges him on it. This is generally how it works with Marxist rhetoric, since most of it has been outdated for over 100 years and falls apart immediately when challenged.
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gunplagirl posted...

John_Galt posted...

Most of those people are living beyond their means

The average car payment is now close to $550/month

If $550 a month for a near essential item is enough to push, not just somebody but a fair chunk of Americans beyond their means, well. That's a big issue.

A car you pay $550 a month for is not essential. There are plenty of old reliable cars you can find for around $2,000 - $4,000 that will take you from point A to point B because lets be real thats all you're going to do with it.

I get it though, buying your first vehicle is exciting cus I was like that. But if I could go back in time I would've saved up money and gotten something cheaper instead of taking out a $14,000 auto loan.

Buy yourself a nice fancy car when you can afford it.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

That's the thing, I don't agree that Employers are exploiting their employees.

if you want to continue the conversation, you could start by describing the grounds on which you disagree with the statement.
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I know the state jobs where I live have gotten a pay raise and thats who im about to work for and told another pay raise is likely before a year is up.

I didnt really have much issue with obama except where I live finding work is hard enough but with Obama care no body wanted to give full time hours. They would literally cite that as the reason they wouldnt give it too.

I guess it all depends on where you live and what your job is but things are looking up for me so I'm not gonna complain.
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The average payment being 550 is because most Americans feel that they *need* an oversized truck, SUV or expensive hybrid/electric car.

My Toyota Carolla costs me $220 dollars a month.
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averagejoel posted...

if you want to continue the conversation, you could start by describing the grounds on which you disagree with the statement.

Every employer / employee that most people I see deal with is a negotiated agreement on pay vs how much work is expected to be done.

If the employer doesn't get what he's expecting, he fires the employee after some time of not being able to remedy the situation.

If the employee doesn't get enough pay for the amount of work they put in or get other perks, they literally can quit and go find another job else where at any time. And most people I know do that quite often.

Nobody is holding a gun to the employee's head and saying you have to work for only this much $ or no pay or else!

Same with the employer, no individual employee is holding a gun to the employer's head and saying you owe me this much $ for only this amount of work under this condition unless it's a agreed upon Union contract between Employer / Unionized Employee. The employer can always cycle out employees to find ones who better suit his work to pay ratio.

If either side doesn't want to compete with other fellow employees / employers. They are going to get sub-standard results on both end of the equations since there is competition on both sides of the formula.
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You mean the 40% that's on the dole and doesn't work? Beyond that, you can blame excessive taxation... which, by the way, much of which goes to pay for said dole.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

averagejoel posted...

if you want to continue the conversation, you could start by describing the grounds on which you disagree with the statement.

Every employer / employee that most people I see deal with is a negotiated agreement on pay vs how much work is expected to be done.

If the employer doesn't get what he's expecting, he fires the employee after some time of not being able to remedy the situation.

If the employee doesn't get enough pay for the amount of work they put in or get other perks, they literally can quit and go find another job else where at any time. And most people I know do that quite often.

Nobody is holding a gun to the employee's head and saying you have to work for only this much $ or no pay or else!

Same with the employer, no individual employee is holding a gun to the employer's head and saying you owe me this much $ for only this amount of work under this condition unless it's a agreed upon Union contract between Employer / Unionized Employee. The employer can always cycle out employees to find ones who better suit his work to pay ratio.

If either side doesn't want to compete with other fellow employees / employers. They are going to get sub-standard results on both end of the equations since there is competition on both sides of the formula.

your equation here is nice, but it assumes that the employer and employee have equal amounts of power, which usually is not the case.

regarding the first bolded sentence:

most employees depend on their employer for survival. if they get fired, they will be evicted and/or starve to death. they cannot simply quit their job and find another one "at any time."

regarding the second bolded sentence:

yes, the employer can easily fire workers. that's largely what creates the power imbalance in the first place. if workers don't want to work for the company, the company is supposed to create incentives for them to do so. higher pay, better benefits, etc. But the economic system forces them into that position: if they want to survive, they have to sell their labour.

the economic system gives a huge advantage to the employer, and as huge a disadvantage to the employee.
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Perascamin posted...

You guys need to stop thinking that uneducated = poor. The average truck driver is making 85k a year when they're a legal citizen. Contractors with a little sense are making well over 200k a year. Mid-Ranking Oil Riggers make over 80k. Managers in factories make over 75k. Hell, a factory maintenance man can easily make 60k and generally requires little experience

Theres a reason why uneducated, country ass people are able to afford their big ass trucks and ATVs or guns, and it's not through loans.

This post is fucking stupid.

You can be uneducated and have money. Yes. Everything else you said is dumb.

Which parts do you think are stupid? Because it generally tends to be Dems that are poor
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averagejoel posted...

most employees depend on their employer for survival. if they get fired, they will be evicted and/or starve to death. they cannot simply quit their job and find another one "at any time."

And it's called saving up for a rainy day and not living beyond your means.

Most people I know stockpile their income and don't spend it wastefully on whatever they want.

So that on a rainy day, should they have to change jobs, they have a cushion while they find their new job.

It's not hard to do for many folks.

Some folks are just bad at it or decided to get into financial trouble before they are ready.

Part of learning financial responsibility is knowing when you are ready for certain steps in life and not making that decision to do it until you are fiscally capable.

The other part is constant fiscal discipline in not over indulging every desire you have over buying whatever you want.
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averagejoel posted...

the economic system gives a huge advantage to the employer, and as huge a disadvantage to the employee.

I disagree, it's the opposite.

Employee can leave whenever they want should they have the financial accumen to prepare a exit strategy in advance.

It's not the Employers fault that you choose to frivolously spend money and not stockpile a giant chunk away every month.

If you know how much you make, you know how much you can cut bills by in every way possible, you can start saving.

That's on you as an individual to learn that fiscal knowledge should nobody have taught you.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

And it's called saving up for a rainy day and not living beyond your means.

Most people I know stockpile their income and don't spend it wastefully on whatever they want.

So that on a rainy day, should they have to change jobs, they have a cushion while they find their new job.

good for them.

this problem is systemic, and your proposed solution will not solve it.

It's not hard to do for many folks.

Some folks are just bad at it or decided to get into financial trouble before they are ready.

and for many folks it is impossible. because their employer does not pay enough.

Part of learning financial responsibility is knowing when you are ready for certain steps in life and not making that decision to do it until you are fiscally capable.

The other part is constant fiscal discipline in not over indulging every desire you have over buying whatever you want.

you are thinking about this at the individual level. if it were an individual-level problem, this would be fine. however, it is not. attributing this to individual failure is extremely ignorant.

Employee can leave whenever they want should they have the financial accumen to prepare a exit strategy in advance.

It's not the Employers fault that you choose to frivolously spend money and not stockpile a giant chunk away every month.

If you know how much you make, you know how much you can cut bills by in every way possible, you can start saving.

That's on you as an individual to learn that fiscal knowledge should nobody have taught you.

you are thinking about this at the individual level. if it were an individual-level problem, this would be fine. however, it is not. attributing this to individual failure is extremely ignorant.

Then there's the other issue where Employee's could take the company secrets with you and use it somewhere else against you or start a similar business against you.

Not to mention start a Union, Sabotage the company, divulge secrets to the government that can get you in trouble.

The endless # of issues a Employee can bring upon a Employer along with the countless legislation favors the Employee over Employer IMO.

your opinion is factually incorrect.

Employers generally have more to lose then the Employee.

this is also factually incorrect.
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John_Galt posted...

Most of those people are living beyond their means

The average car payment is now close to $550/month

This. No doubt there are some areas with overpriced real estate, but people who spend frivolously are the true root of the issue.

If everyone would simply start living responsibly and within their means, the problem would be pretty much fixed within 5 years.
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averagejoel posted...

and for many folks it is impossible. because their employer does not pay enough.

Any person can easily argue "I'm never paid enough".

this problem is systemic, and your proposed solution will not solve it.

And how would you solve it without creating more problems?

you are thinking about this at the individual level. if it were an individual-level problem, this would be fine. however, it is not. attributing this to individual failure is extremely ignorant.

Why don't you prove that it's a systemic issue then?

your opinion is factually incorrect.

Prove it!

this is also factually incorrect.

Prove that too!
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People just suck with money
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Any person can easily argue "I'm never paid enough".

similarly, any employer can easily argue "you're always paid too much"

And how would you solve it without creating more problems?

is this a tacit admission that your addressing a systemic issue as an individual one is inadequate?

Why don't you prove that it's a systemic issue then?

look at the topic title and the article linked in the first post.

Prove that too!

employees depend on their job for survival. an employer does not depend on any one worker for survival.
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averagejoel posted...

similarly, any employer can easily argue "you're always paid too much"

Then how do you calculate what's the "Fair Price" for labor given ___ amount of work for __ hrs.

is this a tacit admission that your addressing a systemic issue as an individual one is inadequate?

You're the one who claims it's systemic, not me. If you think it's systemic, then you must have a solution to it as well, right?

look at the topic title and the article linked in the first post.

And me and others don't agree that issue stems because of "Systemic" issues, but out of personal issues.

employees depend on their job for survival. an employer does not depend on any one worker for survival.

You're assuming all jobs are the same and that employees are interchangeable cogs in the company machine. That's a very naive assumption and reality isn't that simple.
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The Economy doing well doesn't automatically mean it is great for everyone, it can just mean the already wealthy are having a great run.

It reminds me of what happened to former WWE Champion Shawn Michaels who once earned a fortune annually but after a crippling near career ending back injury and a laundry list of other problems, forced him to earn less in the second half of his career. And years of taxes, charity donations, helping out his family/friends quickly started to add up.

He was in debt and had a family to support. So out of desperation had to crawl to the self-made millionaire JBL and became JBL's 'assistant' in order to feed his family and keep his head above water.

https://imgur.com/NV1OabX

The once great Michaels spent the next few months of his life having to carry JBL's bags, make his food, clean his home, interfere in his matches and do all sorts of degrading, humiliating things to make up the cash he needed.

http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wv/01/15498/15498.jpg

And it was an extremely dark period of his life. Now imagine that instead of someone like Michaels who was an extraordinary man living an extraordinary life that lead into an extraordinary situation. You're an incredibly ordinary man early into his adult life who has talent and ability and the potential to grow into greatness but require building yourself up through your experience and negotiating skills to do so.

Wiping the latter off the table entirely and forcing those people to earn the same as everyone else and not thrive, will many force people long before their peaks into situations were they have little or no choice than to do things that they do not want to do in order to achieve and support their families.

Additional jobs, embarrassing demands, loans. You name it. You'll end up with people instead of one person, spending years instead of months, before they reached their peak instead of after it, doing degrading work instead of reaching their full potential. Or giving up entirely and just quitting on their dreams and passion.

You gotta believe that this is the situation we find ourselves in today. Sure men like JBL are on top of the world and as such the "economy" is doing well.

But the average man in the street? He is just looking for where the next paycheck is going to come from so he can take care of his family
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Then how do you calculate what's the "Fair Price" for labor given ___ amount of work for __ hrs.

basically, if the company is turning a profit, someone is getting less than their fair share.

You're the one who claims it's systemic, not me. If you think it's systemic, then you must have a solution to it as well, right?

never said I did. that's a separate question entirely.

And me and others don't agree that issue stems because of "Systemic" issues, but out of personal issues.

if 40% of the population of a country is facing a similar economic issue, then it is not a personal issue.

You're assuming all jobs are the same and that employees are interchangeable cogs in the company machine. That's a very naive assumption and reality isn't that simple.

I am not assuming that, though we are often treated that way by employers.
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WWEPropaganda posted...

The Economy doing well doesn't automatically mean it is great for everyone, it can just mean the already wealthy are having a great run.

It reminds me of what happened to former WWE Champion Shawn Michaels who once earned a fortune annually but after a crippling near career ending back injury and a laundry list of other problems, forced him to earn less in the second half of his career. And years of taxes, charity donations, helping out his family/friends quickly started to add up.

He was in debt and had a family to support. So out of desperation had to crawl to the self-made millionaire JBL and became JBL's 'assistant' in order to feed his family and keep his head above water.

https://imgur.com/NV1OabX

The once great Michaels spent the next few months of his life having to carry JBL's bags, make his food, clean his home, interfere in his matches and do all sorts of degrading, humiliating things to make up the cash he needed.

http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wv/01/15498/15498.jpg

And it was an extremely dark period of his life. Now imagine that instead of someone like Michaels who was an extraordinary man living an extraordinary life that lead into an extraordinary situation. You're an incredibly ordinary man early into his adult life who has talent and ability and the potential to grow into greatness but require building yourself up through your experience and negotiating skills to do so.

Wiping the latter off the table entirely and forcing those people to earn the same as everyone else and not thrive, will many force people long before their peaks into situations were they have little or no choice than to do things that they do not want to do in order to achieve and support their families.

Additional jobs, embarrassing demands, loans. You name it. You'll end up with people instead of one person, spending years instead of months, before they reached their peak instead of after it, doing degrading work instead of reaching their full potential. Or giving up entirely and just quitting on their dreams and passion.

You gotta believe that this is the situation we find ourselves in today. Sure men like JBL are on top of the world and as such the "economy" is doing well.

But the average man in the street? He is just looking for where the next paycheck is going to come from so he can take care of his family

Amazing
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averagejoel posted...

basically, if the company is turning a profit, someone is getting less than their fair share.

Ok, then define what is fair, should company __ turn a profit.

I'm sure you have ideas. Share with the class on what your ideas of "Fair" is.

never said I did. that's a separate question entirely.

So you don't think it's a Systemic Issue? Or you do think it's one? Which is it?

if 40% of the population of a country is facing a similar economic issue, then it is not a personal issue.

Says whom, you? The authors of that article?

I am not assuming that, though we are often treated that way by employers.

You have proof that people are often treated that way by employers? Not everybody has horrible work conditions like you claim.
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Hanky_Bannister posted...

WWEPropaganda posted...

The Economy doing well doesn't automatically mean it is great for everyone, it can just mean the already wealthy are having a great run.

It reminds me of what happened to former WWE Champion Shawn Michaels who once earned a fortune annually but after a crippling near career ending back injury and a laundry list of other problems, forced him to earn less in the second half of his career. And years of taxes, charity donations, helping out his family/friends quickly started to add up.

He was in debt and had a family to support. So out of desperation had to crawl to the self-made millionaire JBL and became JBL's 'assistant' in order to feed his family and keep his head above water.

https://imgur.com/NV1OabX

The once great Michaels spent the next few months of his life having to carry JBL's bags, make his food, clean his home, interfere in his matches and do all sorts of degrading, humiliating things to make up the cash he needed.

http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wv/01/15498/15498.jpg

And it was an extremely dark period of his life. Now imagine that instead of someone like Michaels who was an extraordinary man living an extraordinary life that lead into an extraordinary situation. You're an incredibly ordinary man early into his adult life who has talent and ability and the potential to grow into greatness but require building yourself up through your experience and negotiating skills to do so.

Wiping the latter off the table entirely and forcing those people to earn the same as everyone else and not thrive, will many force people long before their peaks into situations were they have little or no choice than to do things that they do not want to do in order to achieve and support their families.

Additional jobs, embarrassing demands, loans. You name it. You'll end up with people instead of one person, spending years instead of months, before they reached their peak instead of after it, doing degrading work instead of reaching their full potential. Or giving up entirely and just quitting on their dreams and passion.

You gotta believe that this is the situation we find ourselves in today. Sure men like JBL are on top of the world and as such the "economy" is doing well.

But the average man in the street? He is just looking for where the next paycheck is going to come from so he can take care of his family

Amazing

I always love his ability to relate it back to WWE.
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