Current Events > Remember when Socialists say they want Sweden and not Venezuela

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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/07/19 9:09:34 AM
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That Venezuelans also wanted Sweden and not Venezuela.
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tullock
07/07/19 9:10:43 AM
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Venezuelas problems extended far beyond socialism.
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Southernfatman
07/07/19 9:11:52 AM
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Well, capitalism fanboys say that don't want to return to the gilded age, but here we are spiraling downward. Just as planned.
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Antifar
07/07/19 9:14:38 AM
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Hondurans wanted America and not Honduras
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Rusty_Shacklefo
07/07/19 9:15:25 AM
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Antifar posted...
Hondurans wanted America and not Honduras


Americans wanted Cubans and not Hondurans.
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Foppe
07/07/19 9:20:54 AM
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I also want Sweden instead of Venezuela.
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LastTomorrow
07/07/19 9:30:00 AM
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Do we trust these people to not screw it up?

No
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The Admiral
07/07/19 9:33:09 AM
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Sweden has almost the same population as a large American city. Its policies don't scale.
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Foppe
07/07/19 9:37:17 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Sweden has almost the same population as a large American city. Its policies don't scale.

Different cultures got absolutely nothing to do with it?
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JE19426
07/07/19 9:38:42 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Its policies don't scale.


Do you have a source for that?
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Intro2Logic
07/07/19 9:38:55 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Sweden has almost the same population as a large American city. Its policies don't scale.

https://medium.com/@MattBruenig/small-populations-make-it-harder-to-do-what-nordic-countries-do-c5a04715e657

When you lay out the impressive economic indicators of the Nordic countries, naysayers come out of the woodwork to harp on their small size. These arguments never explain what small population sizes have to do with anything. Apparently it is supposed to be self-evident that smaller countries can do this kind of stuff more easily.

But the exact opposite is true. Small populations should make it way harder to do what Nordic countries do.

Smaller countries are much more reliant on the global economy than bigger countries. One easy way to see this is to look at a countrys exports as a percent of GDP.

The Nordic countries export 3 to 4 times as much as the US exports. They have to because their smaller domestic market means that the only way they can grow businesses to any scale is to sell on the global market. If their exports become uncompetitive because of their high taxes and labor costs, then that is a much bigger problem for them than it is for a country like the US, which is less dependent on exports for its GDP.

Additionally, the small size of these countries should also mean that it is a lot easier for people to avoid investing capital in the countries if the economic environment becomes too unfavorable. Companies or individuals looking for places to park their capital can easily afford to skip over the Nordic countries without missing out on much. But it is much harder to skip over the US, again because of its large market size.

Unrelated to its population size, the Nordic countries also face unique challenges owing to their integration into Europe and the EU. A rich person in a Nordic country who is fed up with high taxation can easily slip into lower tax areas elsewhere in Europe. Immigration from one country to another is not very difficult. The same is not true of the US where disgruntled rich people have a much harder time emigrating elsewhere than their Nordic peers.

Whats so remarkable about the Nordic countries is that they manage to pull off their systems despite the considerable handicap of small populations and small market sizes. Despite all the pressures being small puts on having lower wages and lower taxes in order to remain competitive, the Nordics consistently post the highest unit labor costs in Europe and highest taxes in the developed world. Yet they flourish.

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Hanky_Bannister
07/07/19 9:58:30 AM
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Addy got rekt again

He takes sooooo many Ls
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The Admiral
07/07/19 10:55:17 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Intro2Logic posted...
The Admiral posted...
Sweden has almost the same population as a large American city. Its policies don't scale.

https://medium.com/@MattBruenig/small-populations-make-it-harder-to-do-what-nordic-countries-do-c5a04715e657

When you lay out the impressive economic indicators of the Nordic countries, naysayers come out of the woodwork to harp on their small size. These arguments never explain what small population sizes have to do with anything. Apparently it is supposed to be self-evident that smaller countries can do this kind of stuff more easily.

But the exact opposite is true. Small populations should make it way harder to do what Nordic countries do.

Smaller countries are much more reliant on the global economy than bigger countries. One easy way to see this is to look at a countrys exports as a percent of GDP.

The Nordic countries export 3 to 4 times as much as the US exports. They have to because their smaller domestic market means that the only way they can grow businesses to any scale is to sell on the global market. If their exports become uncompetitive because of their high taxes and labor costs, then that is a much bigger problem for them than it is for a country like the US, which is less dependent on exports for its GDP.

Additionally, the small size of these countries should also mean that it is a lot easier for people to avoid investing capital in the countries if the economic environment becomes too unfavorable. Companies or individuals looking for places to park their capital can easily afford to skip over the Nordic countries without missing out on much. But it is much harder to skip over the US, again because of its large market size.

Unrelated to its population size, the Nordic countries also face unique challenges owing to their integration into Europe and the EU. A rich person in a Nordic country who is fed up with high taxation can easily slip into lower tax areas elsewhere in Europe. Immigration from one country to another is not very difficult. The same is not true of the US where disgruntled rich people have a much harder time emigrating elsewhere than their Nordic peers.

Whats so remarkable about the Nordic countries is that they manage to pull off their systems despite the considerable handicap of small populations and small market sizes. Despite all the pressures being small puts on having lower wages and lower taxes in order to remain competitive, the Nordics consistently post the highest unit labor costs in Europe and highest taxes in the developed world. Yet they flourish.

Fucking wrecked


Not really, the blogger gets shot down by the commenters, who point out the obvious flaws in this analysis.
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averagejoel
07/07/19 10:59:30 AM
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sweden is not socialist. venezuela is also not socialist.

people who want sweden are not socialists.
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TomNook20
07/07/19 11:18:43 AM
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The Admiral posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Intro2Logic posted...
The Admiral posted...
Sweden has almost the same population as a large American city. Its policies don't scale.

https://medium.com/@MattBruenig/small-populations-make-it-harder-to-do-what-nordic-countries-do-c5a04715e657

When you lay out the impressive economic indicators of the Nordic countries, naysayers come out of the woodwork to harp on their small size. These arguments never explain what small population sizes have to do with anything. Apparently it is supposed to be self-evident that smaller countries can do this kind of stuff more easily.

But the exact opposite is true. Small populations should make it way harder to do what Nordic countries do.

Smaller countries are much more reliant on the global economy than bigger countries. One easy way to see this is to look at a countrys exports as a percent of GDP.

The Nordic countries export 3 to 4 times as much as the US exports. They have to because their smaller domestic market means that the only way they can grow businesses to any scale is to sell on the global market. If their exports become uncompetitive because of their high taxes and labor costs, then that is a much bigger problem for them than it is for a country like the US, which is less dependent on exports for its GDP.

Additionally, the small size of these countries should also mean that it is a lot easier for people to avoid investing capital in the countries if the economic environment becomes too unfavorable. Companies or individuals looking for places to park their capital can easily afford to skip over the Nordic countries without missing out on much. But it is much harder to skip over the US, again because of its large market size.

Unrelated to its population size, the Nordic countries also face unique challenges owing to their integration into Europe and the EU. A rich person in a Nordic country who is fed up with high taxation can easily slip into lower tax areas elsewhere in Europe. Immigration from one country to another is not very difficult. The same is not true of the US where disgruntled rich people have a much harder time emigrating elsewhere than their Nordic peers.

Whats so remarkable about the Nordic countries is that they manage to pull off their systems despite the considerable handicap of small populations and small market sizes. Despite all the pressures being small puts on having lower wages and lower taxes in order to remain competitive, the Nordics consistently post the highest unit labor costs in Europe and highest taxes in the developed world. Yet they flourish.

Fucking wrecked


Not really, the blogger gets shot down by the commenters, who point out the obvious flaws in this analysis.

Didn't see any good comments there, but the article itself is just an unsupported assertion.
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TheGreatGeno326
07/07/19 11:19:30 AM
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averagejoel posted...
sweden is not socialist. venezuela is also not socialist.

people who want sweden are not socialists.

This

Soc dems arent socialists
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BaiusGaltar
07/07/19 11:23:06 AM
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Sweden isn't a socialist country, so the argument kinda falls flat on it's face
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TheGreatGeno326
07/07/19 11:24:12 AM
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BaiusGaltar posted...
Sweden isn't a socialist country, so the argument kinda falls flat on it's face

According to brilliant minds such as @The_Admiral anybody to the left of Reagan is a commie
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ScazarMeltex
07/07/19 11:25:34 AM
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Social democracy is just welfare capitalism, not socialism.
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BaiusGaltar
07/07/19 11:35:14 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2cgNOpUwAIvlOU?format=jpg&name=large

lol
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