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Maze_ 07/02/19 3:29:02 AM #1: |
I understood the plot of Kingdom Hearts 1.
But I was just letting stuff happen in KH2 and rolling with it. --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pres_madagascar 07/02/19 3:30:42 AM #2: |
That's every kiggdom hearts game after the first. Nomura is nuts.
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slmcknett 07/02/19 10:59:16 AM #3: |
KH2's plot is easy, even without playing Chain of Memories first.
There's Nobodies. You fight the bad guys. Computers have worlds in them. Darkness is evil. --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Inigo 07/02/19 11:00:22 AM #4: |
KH2 was my first one and I understood it
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DevsBro 07/02/19 11:10:59 AM #5: |
I mean the basic story is pretry easy to understand if you don't fret the details. The details did take me a few playthroughs though.
For example, I didn't piece together that Tron world was a hint about Roxas/Twilight Town until like my fifth playthrough, and they really could have been a lot more clear about the whole "nothingness" thing. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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slmcknett 07/02/19 12:04:40 PM #6: |
DevsBro posted...
For example, I didn't piece together that Tron world was a hint about Roxas/Twilight Town Apart from the fact that both those datascapes were created by the same guy, I don't recall there being any other hints towards each other. --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 07/02/19 12:07:22 PM #7: |
It doesnt really make sense until later games when they fully explain wtf Roxas and Namine are. Then in even later games it gets more confusing again because there's a lot of extra info about Organization XIII.
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slmcknett 07/02/19 12:08:44 PM #8: |
They explain what Roxas and Namine are in KH2 itself. There's nothing more to them.
DDD adds more details to Nobodies in general, but that's about it. --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterpug53 07/02/19 12:09:44 PM #9: |
Me in 2006: 'Man I love this game, but if the plot gets any more convoluted than this, shoot me.'
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Jiek_Fafn 07/02/19 12:18:34 PM #10: |
slmcknett posted...
They explain what Roxas and Namine are in KH2 itself. There's nothing more to them. They're literally just nobodies at that point. No explanation of why they're special. --- PSN: Jiek FFRK: Tyro God Wall KZcv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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slmcknett 07/02/19 1:36:35 PM #11: |
What makes Namine special is explained in the KH2 journal. She's never really talked about again for the rest of the series, outside of references or her data version in Re:coded.
I'm guessing you're talking about the Ventus thing with Roxas. But that's not really what made Roxas special, it just explained why he looked like that (which wasn't even smthng we needed to know since KH2 said Nobodies have physical differences from their original bodies anyway). Roxas was only special cuz Sora was still alive, and that was talked about in both CoM and KH2. --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VitalGetPrank 07/02/19 1:50:07 PM #12: |
The plot doesn't even get stupid and confusing until Dream Drop Distance, how are you already confused?
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Blue_Inigo 07/02/19 2:49:51 PM #13: |
masterpug53 posted...
Me in 2006: 'Man I love this game, but if the plot gets any more convoluted than this, shoot me.' ........*loads gun* --- "This is your last dance." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 07/02/19 2:52:22 PM #14: |
KH2 is light nonsense (by Nomura standards) but I really don't mind a story not making much sense if the emotional reactions I have to it feel earned and real, and Kingdom Hearts 2 is an epic emotional rollercoaster.
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slmcknett 07/02/19 2:55:02 PM #15: |
DeadBankerDream posted...
That was ruined by KH3 Seriously... --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 07/02/19 2:57:24 PM #16: |
At least KH2 didn't wait until the last 1-3 hours to explain everything.
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Maze_ 07/03/19 11:42:48 AM #17: |
Strider102 posted...
At least KH2 didn't wait until the last 1-3 hours to explain everything. Erm --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Feline_Heart 07/03/19 11:45:10 AM #18: |
There are a lot of videos on youtube that can explain it for you
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Phantom_Nook 07/03/19 11:46:06 AM #19: |
KH2 is easy to understand if you pay attention.
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The_Scarecrow 07/03/19 11:47:34 AM #20: |
Kingdom Hearts becomes stupid once Dream Drop Distance rolls around.
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DevsBro 07/03/19 11:51:05 AM #21: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
KH2 is easy to understand if you pay attention. It is but also it's like a 50 hour game so I don't fault people who pay attention and still forget important details by the time they finish the story a month or so after they start. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Maze_ 07/03/19 11:52:18 AM #22: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
KH2 is easy to understand if you pay attention. Then whats the plot? --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DemonBuffet 07/03/19 11:52:26 AM #23: |
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VitalGetPrank 07/03/19 12:05:45 PM #24: |
Maze_ posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...KH2 is easy to understand if you pay attention. When strong-willed people lose their hearts a Nobody is created from the leftover body, a group of these people are manipulated by the Nobody of the series antagonist into believing they can get a heart and feel emotions again by creating Kingdom Hearts from countless hearts released by the Heartless killed by a keyblade user. ez --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 07/03/19 12:06:26 PM #25: |
Maze_ posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...KH2 is easy to understand if you pay attention. teenager has fun in some Disney worlds. --- Not posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vbty3 07/03/19 12:12:24 PM #26: |
KH2 is a little difficult to understand when going from 1 to 2.
Nowadays, KH2 is super difficult to understand because BBS, DDD, and 3 retroactively added details that made 2 way more complex than it originally was. --- Steam Wishlist: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198043569354/wishlist ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Maze_ 07/03/19 12:12:25 PM #27: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
Maze_ posted...Phantom_Nook posted...KH2 is easy to understand if you pay attention. Well that part I got --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 07/03/19 12:45:18 PM #28: |
Random question from somebody who only played 1 - is the very first boss ever mentioned again? The silent large shadow that appears on the island to start the series of events? Iirc his hands were stuck in the sand, you had to attack when he lifted them. For some reason I always thought he was being compelled into attacking, unlike the other bosses that all taunted/had their own motivations...
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Phantom_Nook 07/03/19 12:47:00 PM #29: |
Ruvan22 posted...
Random question from somebody who only played 1 - is the very first boss ever mentioned again? The silent large shadow that appears on the island to start the series of events? Iirc his hands were stuck in the sand, you had to attack when he lifted them. For some reason I always thought he was being compelled into attacking, unlike the other bosses that all taunted/had their own motivations... That type of Heartless appears again. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterpug53 07/03/19 1:12:00 PM #30: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
KH2 is easy to understand if you pay attention. To me, it's not that KH is hard to understand. It's just the constant twists, convolution and retconning make me gradually care less and less until my interest in the series completely bottomed out. Even just the big bad's identity changing so many times is enough to make me tune out: KH2: 'So if I'm understanding this correct, it was the Chambermaid all along, who stole the Butler's identity for some reason! But it's not really the Chambermaid, just the Chambermaid's soulless animated husk-clone who was running around in the background while we were defeating the Chambermaid in the guise of the Butler in the first game. And the real Butler's a good guy. And I guess the Dowager's still farting around somewhere.' Somewhere in Those Apparently-Essential Handheld Games: 'Okay, lemme see here...it was actually, honestly, the Kindly Old Groundskeeper all along, who possessed the Chambermaid to make himself young again, and then digital clones and time travel and fuck it I'm out.' I honestly couldn't care if it turned out Nomura's had every single plot point mapped out for the past two decades: the fact that the series feels very much like they're making shit up as they go kills my investment. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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slmcknett 07/03/19 3:02:00 PM #31: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
Ruvan22 posted...Random question from somebody who only played 1 - is the very first boss ever mentioned again? The silent large shadow that appears on the island to start the series of events? Iirc his hands were stuck in the sand, you had to attack when he lifted them. For some reason I always thought he was being compelled into attacking, unlike the other bosses that all taunted/had their own motivations... To expand, it's in almost every game in some shape or form. --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 07/03/19 3:19:04 PM #32: |
I still miss Billy Zane as Ansem
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mattnd2007 07/03/19 3:21:57 PM #33: |
2 is pretty easy to follow. 3 completely lost me. You have to have a BS in crazy nomura thinking to understand it
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slmcknett 07/03/19 3:31:21 PM #34: |
mattnd2007 posted...
3 completely lost me. Even in-universe, it felt like none of the characters had a full grasp of the plot. The only one who knew what was going on was Xehanort, and he had to resort to creating plothole after plothole to make things work out for him. --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 07/03/19 3:34:29 PM #35: |
slmcknett posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...Ruvan22 posted...Random question from somebody who only played 1 - is the very first boss ever mentioned again? The silent large shadow that appears on the island to start the series of events? Iirc his hands were stuck in the sand, you had to attack when he lifted them. For some reason I always thought he was being compelled into attacking, unlike the other bosses that all taunted/had their own motivations... Is it the original boss? Or the model used as enemies? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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slmcknett 07/03/19 3:39:46 PM #36: |
Like, it's not the exact same one from KH1 since it's a species, if that's what youre asking.
But there is a boss fight against one in Chain of Memories, Days, Re:coded, 0.2BbS, and KH3. And a group of them appear in a cutscene in Birth by Sleep. --- https://imgur.com/1LrhmQE Kari Wahlgren: "Guys, I just can't wrap my mouth around it." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 07/03/19 3:51:33 PM #37: |
slmcknett posted...
Like, it's not the exact same one from KH1 since it's a species, if that's what youre asking. Ahh thanks for the clarification - I was hoping they'd develop the individual boss character as I don't remember learning much about him in KH1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VandorLee 07/03/19 3:53:17 PM #38: |
Nobodies wanting to exist = terrorism?
I dont get it. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 07/03/19 5:21:54 PM #39: |
VandorLee posted...
Nobodies wanting to exist = terrorism? Welcome to KH. It's BS but that's the way it is, and that's more or less the point of Nobodies as a plot device. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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