Current Events > Alexandria Ocasio Cortez says migrant women were forced to drink out of toilets

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ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

littlebro07 posted...

nativengine posted...

Freedom isnt free boys and girls.

It is if you were lucky enough to have your mom shit you out on the right pile of dirt I guess

Yes, because I live tax free right?

The United States was founded on taxation for representation. If and when they receive their right to vote they'll also be taxed. In fact most are paying taxes before they can vote.

It was taxation without representation. As in, people being taxed without being represented. Not paying tax to get represented. Are you familiar with the 24th amendment?
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I have tried very, very hard not to post anything ITT, but I have to call bullshit when I see it. Look at this:

Thatuser posted...

The constitution applies to american citizens.

Then this guy says this:

@Thatuser posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

So making one choice means anything that comes after is deserved and entirely your fault? Or does this only apply to filthy immigrants?

"Just leave if you don't like the abuse"

Filthy immigrants? That's harsh. I'm Mexican, btw. And yeah, just leave.

Come on. No foreigner would ever be ok with the concept of having absolutely no rights if he ever visits our country as a tourist. Imagine some guy buying a ticket to Orlando to see the new Harry Potter land and then during his visit some guy beats him up, spits on him, pees, pours tar and feathers on him and then the police shows up. The cop says "what are you doing?" and then says "you're supposed to add the tar before the feathers!" In ThatUser's world view, the constitution doesn't apply to tourists, only to US citizens, so you can do whatever you want to them. What foreigner (mexican or not) would say "I absolutely have zero rights when I visit another country"?

And why would any foreigner claim knowledge of our laws? This is fishy.

YokoGeri posted...

And why would any foreigner claim knowledge of our laws? This is fishy.

There's an entire catalogue of fucking weirdos that can quote Japan's age of consent laws by rote but apparently some Colombians or Hondurans knowing major tenants of the Constitution of the country a short distance away is "fishy"
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Tyranthraxus posted...

YokoGeri posted...

And why would any foreigner claim knowledge of our laws? This is fishy.

There's an entire catalogue of fucking weirdos that can quote Japan's age of consent laws by rote but apparently some Colombians or Hondurans knowing major tenants of the Constitution of the country a short distance away is "fishy"

Yeah, because I don't think that is fishy either (insert eye roll emoji here)

No to mention that his "interpretation" of our laws is as stupid as your strawman, you just can't go and beat the this out of a tourist or somebody on a visa because they're not citizens and therefore "the consitution doesn't apply to them". It's literally one of the most stupid things I have ever read.

tullock posted...

It was taxation without representation. As in, people being taxed without being represented. Not paying tax to get represented. Are you familiar with the 24th amendment?

The full quote is "No taxation without representation" meaning they wanted taxation with representation. They weren't expecting a representative government to just exist with no funds.

"Look at what you made me do" has always been a really shitty justification and stance to take
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ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

littlebro07 posted...

nativengine posted...

Freedom isnt free boys and girls.

It is if you were lucky enough to have your mom shit you out on the right pile of dirt I guess

Yes, because I live tax free right?

The United States was founded on taxation for representation. If and when they receive their right to vote they'll also be taxed. In fact most are paying taxes before they can vote.

Yes but Ive never lived in this country for free was my point.

So? Like I said you're representation is predicated on your taxes.

Again, ignoring my point. Does me being born in America(I wasnt btw) mean I live here for free?
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Answer my question first please.
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This whole line is predicated on the idea that migrants don't want to work.

Which is demonstrably false.
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nativengine posted...

ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

littlebro07 posted...

nativengine posted...

Freedom isnt free boys and girls.

It is if you were lucky enough to have your mom shit you out on the right pile of dirt I guess

Yes, because I live tax free right?

The United States was founded on taxation for representation. If and when they receive their right to vote they'll also be taxed. In fact most are paying taxes before they can vote.

Yes but Ive never lived in this country for free was my point.

So? Like I said you're representation is predicated on your taxes.

Again, ignoring my point. Does me being born in America(I wasnt btw) mean I live here for free?

If you're homeless, jobless, and in a state without sales tax.

Ah, deleted post I see.

@ButteryMales

Answer my question first please.

Does me being born in America(I wasnt btw) mean I live here for free?
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if both parents are american yes. if one is american yes. if none are american. no.
all should be deported and apply for citizenship just like the rest of the people in line.
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77833175/924123415

CyricZ posted...

This whole line is predicated on the idea that migrants don't want to work.

Which is demonstrably false.

it's more predicated on the idea that migrants aren't American, and that they're trying to "steal" American jobs by coming here

Maybe we should ask those hardcore Trump supporters in middle America to replace their illegal poultry plant workers with citizens, eh?

(jk, I don't care either way, just stop stuffing people into camps with hazardous living conditions)

ButteryMales posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77833175/924123415

And if they want to work to earn their way into citizenship?
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@ButteryMales

If you're homeless, jobless, and in a state without sales tax.

A simple yes or no just wasnt acceptable was it? Ok, Ill do you a solid, maybe you could do me the same.

No, I am not homeless. I have residence in st Clair Shores, MI, Sedona, AZ and Toronto, Ontario, Canada and Oneida Nation of the Thames, Ontario.

No, I am not jobless. I work for a alternative energy group specializing in LED lights and residential wind and solar energy solutions.

No state or province I live in is tax exempt.

Do I live in America for free?
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nativengine posted...

@ButteryMales

If you're homeless, jobless, and in a state without sales tax.

A simple yes or no just wasnt acceptable was it? Ok, Ill do you a solid, maybe you could do me the same.

No, I am not homeless. I have residence in st Clair Shores, MI, Sedona, AZ and Toronto, Ontario, Canada and Oneida Nation of the Thames, Ontario.

No, I am not jobless. I work for a alternative energy group specializing in LED lights and residential wind and solar energy solutions.

No state or province I live in is tax exempt.

Do I live in America for free?

Just pull the gotcha out already or shut the fuck up.

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Who. The fuck. Cares.

There's no justification for the conditions in these places.
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In 10+ years we're going to have interviews with these poor children, at that point adults, that have been imprisoned in these camps and it's going to be horrifying.
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ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

@ButteryMales

If you're homeless, jobless, and in a state without sales tax.

A simple yes or no just wasnt acceptable was it? Ok, Ill do you a solid, maybe you could do me the same.

No, I am not homeless. I have residence in st Clair Shores, MI, Sedona, AZ and Toronto, Ontario, Canada and Oneida Nation of the Thames, Ontario.

No, I am not jobless. I work for a alternative energy group specializing in LED lights and residential wind and solar energy solutions.

No state or province I live in is tax exempt.

Do I live in America for free?

Just pull the gotcha out already or shut the fuck up.

So you wont answer my question? Ive been completely forward with you.

Do I live in America for free?

Its a very simple yes or no.
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You didn't answer my question.
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Is the gotcha here going to be if you dont pay taxes then you have no human rights and we can do whatever we want to you
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nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Its a very simple yes or no.

Congrats, you pay taxes.

Now the American government can throw as many children into concentration camps as they want cuz you pay taxes.
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pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Who. The fuck. Cares.

There's no justification for the conditions in these places.

I do, I posted a question and Ive yet to be given a simple response. And once again, I need proof of and question these conditions.
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pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Its a very simple yes or no.

Congrats, you pay taxes.

Now the American government can throw as many children into concentration camps as they want cuz you pay taxes.

Not what I said at all. However, you wanna live here, subjection to a screening process is required. And dont bring this bleeding heart what about he children? Narrative to me. Native children are taken from their homes daily, placed in foster homes and stripped of their native status. Again, youll have a hard time convincing me of open boarders. Didnt work our so well for my people.
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nativengine posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Who. The fuck. Cares.

There's no justification for the conditions in these places.

I do, I posted a question and Ive yet to be given a simple response. And once again, I need proof of and question these conditions.

Dude, the Trump administration had a lawyer defend the idea that kids didn't need soap and toothpaste and that sleeping on a concrete floor with an aluminum blanket was safe and sanitary. We have lawyers forcing the government to put severely ill toddlers in the hospital because they hadn't bothered to give them any medical care. We've had kids die from lack of medical attention.

I don't understand why AOC's account is so unbelievable.
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nativengine posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Its a very simple yes or no.

Congrats, you pay taxes.

Now the American government can throw as many children into concentration camps as they want cuz you pay taxes.

Not what I said at all. However, you wanna live here, subjection to a screening process is required. And dont bring this bleeding heart what about he children? Narrative to me. Native children are taken from their homes daily, placed in foster homes and stripped of their native status. Again, youll have a hard time convincing me of open boarders. Didnt work our so well for my people.

Since when did two wrongs make a right? We were separated from our families too so it's okay.

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Who. The fuck. Cares.

There's no justification for the conditions in these places.

I do, I posted a question and Ive yet to be given a simple response. And once again, I need proof of and question these conditions.

Dude, the Trump administration had a lawyer defend the idea that kids didn't need soap and toothpaste and that sleeping on a concrete floor with an aluminum blanket was safe and sanitary. We have lawyers forcing the government to put severely ill toddlers in the hospital because they hadn't bothered to give them any medical care. We've had kids die from lack of medical attention.

I don't understand why AOC's account is so unbelievable.

nativengine posted...

Not what I said at all. However, you wanna live here, subjection to a screening process is required. And dont bring this bleeding heart what about he children? Narrative to me. Native children are taken from their homes daily, placed in foster homes and stripped of their native status. Again, youll have a hard time convincing me of open boarders. Didnt work our so well for my people.

If that's not what you're saying, then why the fuck are you making such a big deal about some irrelevant bullshit?

And never did I say anything about open borders. I don't have a problem with the concept of what ICE is doing, but they're doing it in the worst way they could.

He thinks his ancestry makes him an authority on the subject, for whatever misguided reason
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ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Its a very simple yes or no.

Congrats, you pay taxes.

Now the American government can throw as many children into concentration camps as they want cuz you pay taxes.

Not what I said at all. However, you wanna live here, subjection to a screening process is required. And dont bring this bleeding heart what about he children? Narrative to me. Native children are taken from their homes daily, placed in foster homes and stripped of their native status. Again, youll have a hard time convincing me of open boarders. Didnt work our so well for my people.

Since when did two wrongs make a right? We were separated from our families too so it's okay.

wtf kind of weak response is this?
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Its a very simple yes or no.

Congrats, you pay taxes.

Now the American government can throw as many children into concentration camps as they want cuz you pay taxes.

Not what I said at all. However, you wanna live here, subjection to a screening process is required. And dont bring this bleeding heart what about he children? Narrative to me. Native children are taken from their homes daily, placed in foster homes and stripped of their native status. Again, youll have a hard time convincing me of open boarders. Didnt work our so well for my people.

Since when did two wrongs make a right? We were separated from our families too so it's okay.

wtf kind of weak response is this?

The not weak at all kind.

Isn't that the same woman that took a fake photo shoot in front of a empty car park? How in hells name am I supposed to believe anything she says?
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OmniChris posted...

Isn't that the same woman that took a fake photo shoot in front of a empty car park?

That was fake news
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ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Its a very simple yes or no.

Congrats, you pay taxes.

Now the American government can throw as many children into concentration camps as they want cuz you pay taxes.

Not what I said at all. However, you wanna live here, subjection to a screening process is required. And dont bring this bleeding heart what about he children? Narrative to me. Native children are taken from their homes daily, placed in foster homes and stripped of their native status. Again, youll have a hard time convincing me of open boarders. Didnt work our so well for my people.

Since when did two wrongs make a right? We were separated from our families too so it's okay.

Ok, take a step back. A lot of people are separated from their families, across all races. Im simply stating dont try and bring up the children to change my point of view. No, it is not ok.

Once again,

Do I live in America for free?
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nativengine posted...

Im simply stating dont try and bring up the children to change my point of view.

God forbid we appeal to your humanity or empathy.

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Of course you don't. You work and pay taxes.

Just like these people want to do.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

In 10+ years we're going to have interviews with these poor children, at that point adults, that have been imprisoned in these camps and it's going to be horrifying.

And in 50+ years we're gonna act like the whole country came together to denounce this cruelty as if it was some Kumbaya moment, with a fringe group of assholes denying that it even happened in the first place.

tullock posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Who. The fuck. Cares.

There's no justification for the conditions in these places.

I do, I posted a question and Ive yet to be given a simple response. And once again, I need proof of and question these conditions.

Dude, the Trump administration had a lawyer defend the idea that kids didn't need soap and toothpaste and that sleeping on a concrete floor with an aluminum blanket was safe and sanitary. We have lawyers forcing the government to put severely ill toddlers in the hospital because they hadn't bothered to give them any medical care. We've had kids die from lack of medical attention.

I don't understand why AOC's account is so unbelievable.

nativengine posted...

Not what I said at all. However, you wanna live here, subjection to a screening process is required. And dont bring this bleeding heart what about he children? Narrative to me. Native children are taken from their homes daily, placed in foster homes and stripped of their native status. Again, youll have a hard time convincing me of open boarders. Didnt work our so well for my people.

If that's not what you're saying, then why the fuck are you making such a big deal about some irrelevant bullshit?

And never did I say anything about open borders. I don't have a problem with the concept of what ICE is doing, but they're doing it in the worst way they could.

He thinks his ancestry makes him an authority on the subject, for whatever misguided reason

Not at all, just dont try and use what about the children? Narrative on me, thats all I was saying.
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nativengine posted...

Not at all, just dont try and use what about the children? Narrative on me, thats all I was saying.

Think of literally anyone in these camps, then.

Why are people always so proud of lacking empathy? "Think of the children" shouldn't even be necessary to try and extract a negative reaction at this situation.
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@CyricZ posted...

nativengine posted...

Im simply stating dont try and bring up the children to change my point of view.

God forbid we appeal to your humanity or empathy.

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Of course you don't. You work and pay taxes.

Just like these people want to do.

@ButteryMales

See, other people can answer the question I asked you. Why cant you?

Ok so bring up these childrens suffering is ok but bringing up my peoples isn't? Tell me why that is? Again, 2 wrongs dont make a right. So its ok for your side to appeal to my sense of humanity but I cant mention my people? Got it
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CyricZ posted...

nativengine posted...

Im simply stating dont try and bring up the children to change my point of view.

God forbid we appeal to your humanity or empathy.

but he's not wrong. why can't a person acknowledge a truth without being accused of being some sort of monster?

children in America aren't even getting what they need. a lot of their parents don't have insurance, and that's not even counting the plethora of problems for ones without parents.

it's pretty fucked up to misconstrue one's argument just to attack their character. at least explain why he's objectively wrong.
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@nativengine how do you feel about abortion?

YokoGeri posted...

nativengine how do you feel about abortion?

19 Karma account trying to dig for something to attack?
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nativengine posted...

but bringing up my peoples isn't?

I never said that.

I'd like to know what you hope to achieve by bringing up the suffering of your people as a counter to this instance of suffering.
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hockeybub89 posted...

nativengine posted...

Not at all, just dont try and use what about the children? Narrative on me, thats all I was saying.

Think of literally anyone in these camps, then.

Why are people always so proud of lacking empathy? "Think of the children" shouldn't even be necessary to try and extract a negative reaction at this situation.

I think about it a lot and my thoughts on this are posted all over this topic.

Are they not free to leave? I claim 100% ignorance there.

If they arent, thats fucked up.

If that are, leave or deal. I have a hard time believing there as bad as weve been told by APC and the like.
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nativengine posted...

@CyricZ posted...

nativengine posted...

Im simply stating dont try and bring up the children to change my point of view.

God forbid we appeal to your humanity or empathy.

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Of course you don't. You work and pay taxes.

Just like these people want to do.

at ButteryMales

See, other people can answer the question I asked you. Why cant you?

Ok so bring up these childrens suffering is ok but bringing up my peoples isn't? Tell me why that is? Again, 2 wrongs dont make a right. So its ok for your side to appeal to my sense of humanity but I cant mention my people? Got it

You can bring it up all you want. I'll continue to point out it doesn't justify kidnapping the children of illegal immigrants and throwing them all in a concentration camp.

YokoGeri posted...

@nativengine how do you feel about abortion?

I support it. 3rd trimester I dont.
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ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

@CyricZ posted...

nativengine posted...

Im simply stating dont try and bring up the children to change my point of view.

God forbid we appeal to your humanity or empathy.

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Of course you don't. You work and pay taxes.

Just like these people want to do.

at ButteryMales

See, other people can answer the question I asked you. Why cant you?

Ok so bring up these childrens suffering is ok but bringing up my peoples isn't? Tell me why that is? Again, 2 wrongs dont make a right. So its ok for your side to appeal to my sense of humanity but I cant mention my people? Got it

You can bring it up all you want. I'll continue to point out it doesn't justify kidnapping the children of illegal immigrants and throwing them all in a concentration camp.

I don't think anybody is saying that it's justified.

or at least not the guy you're talking to, lol.

shitty people have uttered worse.
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CyricZ posted...

nativengine posted...

but bringing up my peoples isn't?

I never said that.

I'd like to know what you hope to achieve by bringing up the suffering of your people as a counter to this instance of suffering.

Nothing, just that trying to use what about the children isnt going to work on me. I thought Ive made that pretty clear have I not? If I havent, I have now.
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nativengine posted...

Nothing, just that trying to use what about the children isnt gonna work going to work on me. I thought Ive made that pretty clear have I not? If I have, I have now.

The suffering of your people has numbed you to the suffering of others. Tragic.
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nativengine posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

nativengine posted...

Not at all, just dont try and use what about the children? Narrative on me, thats all I was saying.

Think of literally anyone in these camps, then.

Why are people always so proud of lacking empathy? "Think of the children" shouldn't even be necessary to try and extract a negative reaction at this situation.

I think about it a lot and my thoughts on this are posted all over this topic.

Are they not free to leave? I claim 100% ignorance there.

If they arent, thats fucked up.

If that are, leave or deal. I have a hard time believing there as bad as weve been told by APC and the like.

Does the fact they can leave give the government a blank check to treat them like this? Do you think immigrants coming from South America are even aware of how bad the conditions in the detention centers are? Do you expect children who have been separated from their parents to be able to just up and leave?
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@ButteryMales posted...

nativengine posted...

@CyricZ posted...

nativengine posted...

Im simply stating dont try and bring up the children to change my point of view.

God forbid we appeal to your humanity or empathy.

nativengine posted...

Do I live in America for free?

Of course you don't. You work and pay taxes.

Just like these people want to do.

at ButteryMales

See, other people can answer the question I asked you. Why cant you?

Ok so bring up these childrens suffering is ok but bringing up my peoples isn't? Tell me why that is? Again, 2 wrongs dont make a right. So its ok for your side to appeal to my sense of humanity but I cant mention my people? Got it

You can bring it up all you want. I'll continue to point out it doesn't justify kidnapping the children of illegal immigrants and throwing them all in a concentration camp.

Of course it doesnt. What kinda shit point would I be making if I said native children get kidnapped all the time so its ok for immigrant children too

Ill make it clear again. Using the what about the children? Argument has no effect on me.

And again

Do I live in America for free?
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