Current Events > Confederate monument vandalized with words 'They were racists.'

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The Catgirl Fondler
06/18/19 2:50:56 AM
#51:


Ha, nice.
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Dragonblade01
06/18/19 2:54:38 AM
#52:


What did this accomplish?
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Blue_Dream87
06/18/19 2:57:30 AM
#53:


Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit
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Dragonblade01
06/18/19 2:59:15 AM
#54:


Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.
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Blue_Dream87
06/18/19 3:00:55 AM
#55:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.
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Dragonblade01
06/18/19 3:22:14 AM
#56:


Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.

And? That doesn't justify vandalism.
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ArchiePeck
06/18/19 4:16:23 AM
#57:


jumi posted...
Womp womp.
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Shablagoo
06/18/19 4:23:20 AM
#58:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.

And? That doesn't justify vandalism.

Is vandalism ever justified in your opinion? Like, say they erected a statue of Adolf Hitler in the act of beheading a little old lady would it be wrong to spray paint this is bad on the statue?
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Rika_Furude
06/18/19 4:25:23 AM
#59:


MakoReizei posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Imagine if germany put up statues of hitler saying "we can't ignore history".


it's a memorial to the soldiers for fuck's sake. Not comparable.

A memorial for Nazi soldiers sounds equally as terrible.
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knutjob
06/18/19 4:29:49 AM
#60:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.

And? That doesn't justify vandalism.


If it's accurate, it's just history.
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DD Divine
06/18/19 4:36:20 AM
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Dont forget traitors
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JBaLLEN66
06/18/19 4:50:41 AM
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Ewwww, remove that racist loser statue please
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A_A_Battery
06/18/19 4:58:09 AM
#63:


The Admiral posted...
just because of your feelings.


And their tax money that goes towards maintaining those.
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Dragonblade01
06/18/19 5:33:19 AM
#64:


knutjob posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.

And? That doesn't justify vandalism.


If it's accurate, it's just history.

That's not how the word vandalism works.
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Dragonblade01
06/18/19 5:34:31 AM
#65:


Shablagoo posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.

And? That doesn't justify vandalism.

Is vandalism ever justified in your opinion? Like, say they erected a statue of Adolf Hitler in the act of beheading a little old lady would it be wrong to spray paint this is bad on the statue?

Vandalism is never justified. It can be affecting and potentially spur action, but it's not justified.
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FrisbeeDude
06/18/19 5:36:29 AM
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wish i could donate to whoever is doing this. tag em all
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SpudForce
06/18/19 5:36:41 AM
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Don't care. A bunch of traitors and slavers.
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Blue_Dream87
06/18/19 5:42:22 AM
#68:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.

And? That doesn't justify vandalism.


I'd say this could be a case of civil disobedience.
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brestugo
06/18/19 5:56:27 AM
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Good. Fuck the Confederacy and all it's apologists, supporters and sympathizers - past, present and future. Same goes for Nazis.

BTW I refuse to use the term "Union Army". It was and is the US Army. They were fighting traitors plain and simple. You take the oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

That people who profess to be in the "party of Lincoln" - aka Republicans - are so quick to defend the Confederacy and its symbols must have Lincoln spinning in his grave.
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Kastrada
06/18/19 6:18:46 AM
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So is it safe to assume the people in this topic calling these people criminals and condemning this act of vandalism were also tsk-tsking the Boston Tea Party in their history classes? >_>
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Dragonblade01
06/18/19 7:58:45 AM
#71:


Kastrada posted...
So is it safe to assume the people in this topic calling these people criminals and condemning this act of vandalism were also tsk-tsking the Boston Tea Party in their history classes? >_>

I mean, yeah. We can acknowledge bad behavior while recognizing a positive impact it had.
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RickyTheBAWSE
06/18/19 8:18:56 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Kastrada posted...
So is it safe to assume the people in this topic calling these people criminals and condemning this act of vandalism were also tsk-tsking the Boston Tea Party in their history classes? >_>

I mean, yeah. We can acknowledge bad behavior while recognizing a positive impact it had.


just like in that case, the ends justify the means here, too.

so there's that.
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The Great Muta 22
06/18/19 8:28:55 AM
#73:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Shablagoo posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
What did this accomplish?


Show that our culture isn't down with this shit

We already knew that, and there are ways to show it that don't involve defacement.


I mean the fact that these statues are still standing and maintained by taxpayers shows that there is a part of the country still holding on.

And? That doesn't justify vandalism.

Is vandalism ever justified in your opinion? Like, say they erected a statue of Adolf Hitler in the act of beheading a little old lady would it be wrong to spray paint this is bad on the statue?

Vandalism is never justified. It can be affecting and potentially spur action, but it's not justified.


Sure it absolutely can be justified. Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it's inherently wrong.

And fuck these monuments built decades after the Civil War and were only built as a push back against Civil Rights expansion. Fuck em all
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DarkRoast
06/18/19 8:46:09 AM
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In the social issues of the future, everyone here will be considered bigoted dinosaurs.

But I for one welcome our robot overlords. #RoboWoke
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Ilishe
06/18/19 9:57:19 AM
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Antifar posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Yeah I'm sure every one of those over 500 people that statue was for that fought were racists. People are fucking stupid.

They fought a war to uphold the institution of slavery on the basis of race


Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

Some people took advantage of their laborers and were needlessly cruel and thought themselves better because they were born into what these new people had to adapt to. These evil men and women were racists and terrible human beings, but not everyone was like that.
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Blue_Inigo
06/18/19 9:57:45 AM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Antifar posted...
When they're right, they're right

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myzz7
06/18/19 9:58:45 AM
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who wasn't racist in the 1860s though? thought the north wasn't? lolz.
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EverDownward
06/18/19 9:59:55 AM
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Just put them in museums. Hell, put them in crates and lock them away from the public eye. But it's all too obvious public discourse will not allow them to exist as time passes and eventually they will be erased if they're not preemptively stored away.
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averagejoel
06/18/19 10:02:24 AM
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Ilishe posted...
Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

I guess you learned something new today

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

this paragraph starts bad and somehow gets worse the longer it goes on
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spudger
06/18/19 10:03:45 AM
#80:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
MakoReizei posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Imagine if germany put up statues of hitler saying "we can't ignore history".


it's a memorial to the soldiers for fuck's sake. Not comparable.


It's not really a memorial to the soldiers if they were erected during the Civil Rights Era just to troll black people.


not gonna stop him from repeating it later

well he's a known suspect
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Shablagoo
06/18/19 10:04:01 AM
#81:


Ilishe posted...
Antifar posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Yeah I'm sure every one of those over 500 people that statue was for that fought were racists. People are fucking stupid.

They fought a war to uphold the institution of slavery on the basis of race


Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

Some people took advantage of their laborers and were needlessly cruel and thought themselves better because they were born into what these new people had to adapt to. These evil men and women were racists and terrible human beings, but not everyone was like that.

Im familiar with these views, but the first Vice President of the Confederacy practically said outright that their disagreement with the Union on slavery is what started the Civil War:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech
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thronedfire2
06/18/19 10:04:33 AM
#82:


Ilishe posted...
Antifar posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Yeah I'm sure every one of those over 500 people that statue was for that fought were racists. People are fucking stupid.

They fought a war to uphold the institution of slavery on the basis of race


Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

Some people took advantage of their laborers and were needlessly cruel and thought themselves better because they were born into what these new people had to adapt to. These evil men and women were racists and terrible human beings, but not everyone was like that.


Guess I might as well just put this account on the ignore list now before the shitposting gets too rampant
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legendary_zell
06/18/19 10:05:12 AM
#83:


Ilishe posted...
Antifar posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Yeah I'm sure every one of those over 500 people that statue was for that fought were racists. People are fucking stupid.

They fought a war to uphold the institution of slavery on the basis of race


Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

Some people took advantage of their laborers and were needlessly cruel and thought themselves better because they were born into what these new people had to adapt to. These evil men and women were racists and terrible human beings, but not everyone was like that.


W....T....F???? How is this still up? This is textbook confederate propaganda.
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Guide
06/18/19 10:06:24 AM
#84:


Ilishe posted...
Antifar posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Yeah I'm sure every one of those over 500 people that statue was for that fought were racists. People are fucking stupid.

They fought a war to uphold the institution of slavery on the basis of race


Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

Some people took advantage of their laborers and were needlessly cruel and thought themselves better because they were born into what these new people had to adapt to. These evil men and women were racists and terrible human beings, but not everyone was like that.


Enjoy your ban.
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eston
06/18/19 10:07:11 AM
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spudger
06/18/19 10:11:41 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Ilishe posted...
Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

I guess you learned something new today

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

this paragraph starts bad and somehow gets worse the longer it goes on

yeah that person needs to go back to school, cuz damn
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 10:11:54 AM
#87:


YourDrunkFather posted...
The Admiral posted...
Hope the vandals are caught and jailed.

You can dislike these statues all you want, and you can start petitions to pressure officials to remove them, but you cant engage in vigilante activities and law breaking just because of your feelings.


I feel like If you were black and saw literal statues erected for people who wanted to keep your people in bondage youd feel differently


IIRC correctly he was making fun of liberal tears when a MLK statue got defaced last year.
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The Admiral
06/18/19 10:14:43 AM
#88:


Hawaiian_punch posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
The Admiral posted...
Hope the vandals are caught and jailed.

You can dislike these statues all you want, and you can start petitions to pressure officials to remove them, but you cant engage in vigilante activities and law breaking just because of your feelings.


I feel like If you were black and saw literal statues erected for people who wanted to keep your people in bondage youd feel differently


IIRC correctly he was making fun of liberal tears when a MLK statue got defaced last year.


ROD is right back from a warning and already making shit up again.
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 10:15:26 AM
#89:


The Admiral posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
The Admiral posted...
Hope the vandals are caught and jailed.

You can dislike these statues all you want, and you can start petitions to pressure officials to remove them, but you cant engage in vigilante activities and law breaking just because of your feelings.


I feel like If you were black and saw literal statues erected for people who wanted to keep your people in bondage youd feel differently


IIRC correctly he was making fun of liberal tears when a MLK statue got defaced last year.


ROD is right back from a warning and already making shit up again.


1) not ROD
2) this was last year, IIRC
3) why not just debate about it?
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Questionmarktarius
06/18/19 10:20:14 AM
#90:


EverDownward posted...
Just put them in museums. Hell, put them in crates and lock them away from the public eye. But it's all too obvious public discourse will not allow them to exist as time passes and eventually they will be erased if they're not preemptively stored away.

Sell them.

The statues are out of the public square
Rich racists get to keep their icons
Towns get some extra revenue

Everyone wins, except for the obnoxious screechers who seem to believe that symbolically destroying symbols somehow magically alters history and changes opinions for the better.
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Paragon21XX
06/18/19 10:23:45 AM
#91:


This is what happens when we allow any hypocrisy involving bigotry.
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thronedfire2
06/18/19 10:24:40 AM
#92:


The Admiral posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
The Admiral posted...
Hope the vandals are caught and jailed.

You can dislike these statues all you want, and you can start petitions to pressure officials to remove them, but you cant engage in vigilante activities and law breaking just because of your feelings.


I feel like If you were black and saw literal statues erected for people who wanted to keep your people in bondage youd feel differently


IIRC correctly he was making fun of liberal tears when a MLK statue got defaced last year.


ROD is right back from a warning and already making shit up again.


sounds like you with the purgatories
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DeathDeathSong
06/18/19 10:33:56 AM
#93:


why do certain people always have to come out and defend slavery
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Ilishe
06/18/19 10:34:08 AM
#94:


spudger posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ilishe posted...
Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

I guess you learned something new today

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

this paragraph starts bad and somehow gets worse the longer it goes on

yeah that person needs to go back to school, cuz damn


US history wasn't a focal point of my studies

But hey if you're going to condemn half of your country...
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Goats
06/18/19 10:34:14 AM
#95:


Hi caution-san
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Pukelid
06/18/19 10:35:12 AM
#96:


i'd rather it be blown the fuck up but this is good
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 10:36:16 AM
#97:


DeathDeathSong posted...
why do certain people always have to come out and defend slavery


Cultural differences(TM)
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pauIie
06/18/19 10:38:31 AM
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stormfaqs booty tickled over a statue that shouldn't have been up in the first place
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EbonTitanium
06/18/19 10:40:16 AM
#100:


Ilishe posted...
spudger posted...
averagejoel posted...
Ilishe posted...
Hm, I thought they fought a war to maintain their democratic liberties.

I guess you learned something new today

Those were different times. I am not defending slavery, never that, but the people being brought ashore from Africa were practically savages who needed to pass a process of integration, to be taught about civilization and modern society.

this paragraph starts bad and somehow gets worse the longer it goes on

yeah that person needs to go back to school, cuz damn


US history wasn't a focal point of my studies

But hey if you're going to condemn half of your country...

No shit
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