Current Events > Endgame was a bit better than Infinity War... but I disliked both. MCU Spoilers

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And only a teensy bit better at that. Even though it featured my most hated trope, time travel (the deus ex machina that literally makes everything pointless because you can always just go back in time and fix mistakes, making the stakes much less meaningful) Endgame still was okay, since the humor was good and I liked the fact that they went back to New York, the scene of the best Avengers movie (and considering Age of ultron wasn't that great either, possibly the only good Avengers movie) and seeing a different side of the movie. It's like a deleted scene that foreshadows the next movies except everything already happened of course.

The beginning part of Endgame was utterly ridiculous in how slow it was; if I wanted to watch a drama I'd watch a good movie. I watch MCU for fun and goofy scenes and characters like benicio del toro as the collector or jeff goldblum as jeff goldblum.

And therein lies what I hate about Avengers 3 and the horridly lame Thanos: I can't understand what people are possibly praising with the lameass villain whose goal is identical to samuel l jackson's character in kingsman (and it was stupid there too) compounded by the fact that in a gigantic universe, an obviously hot topic real world issue like overpopulation makes absolutely no sense . This is what they chose as motivation to drive the character? I'd have preferred another affably evil villain that throws quips, that seems to be the MCU sweet spot. Diverting from that just makes them look childish when they try to make a super serious villain.

You know why the best MCU movies like Thor Ragnarok were so amazing? It's because they embraced the fantastical elements of the characters and villains. Trying to make Thanos this sympathetic guy (if that's what they were going with in Infinity War?) just comes off worse than whatever the DC movies are trying to do in their need to be ultra serious and grimdark.

And as for the fight scenes... eh. The one on one or small condensed fight scenes are usually good, but big army type fight scenes just make me yawn. It's just a bunch of figures thrown into each other, I don't get the appeal of seeing two samey armies clash into each other. And I could tell they felt the need to do that because apparently that's what constitutes an epic finale, just one big giant fight scene with everyone mashing into each other.

All in all, I'm kinda disappointed that this is the culmination of the Avengers movies, and have a hard time believing this is what they always intended all the past decade of movies to lead up to.

So far the solo movies of all the MCU characters like Dr Strange, Black Panther etc have been better. Hopefully they remain great.
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All superhero movies is the same.
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saspa posted...

time travel (the deus ex machina that literally makes everything pointless because you can always just go back in time and fix mistakes, making the stakes much less meaningful)

They use Future trunks time travel rules.

How the fuck do you watch that movie and thing time travel works at all like how you described?
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r25 posted...

saspa posted...

time travel (the deus ex machina that literally makes everything pointless because you can always just go back in time and fix mistakes, making the stakes much less meaningful)

They use Future trunks time travel rules.

Yeah? So there's a reality where they permanently lost the fight right, and a reality where Steve didn't stay, and a reality where... just infinite realities.

At best, I'm hoping that them screwing around with time travel/realities/whatever is the catalyst that brings the Fantastic Four and X-Men to the MCU somehow, and whoever else Disney now have. From the little I've seen of Dr Doom in the cartoons, he seems like he would be a great villain (if they can translate the cartoon to live action well) and Galactus seems like the perfect villain for a "let's get everybody including the villains for one big showdown or standoff against him"
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tbh, I enjoyed both, but I liked Endgame a lot more.

but as far as "big event" comic book movies go, I still think that Days of Future Past is still the GOAT.
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my only gripe with Endgame is how quickly Tony figures out time travel and how quickly he's willing to sacrifice the life he has with his family. If I'm Tony, there's no way you're convincing me to leave my daughter. I don't care what happened or what could potentially happen. I get it's an ego thing and it was eating him up for the longest. But after he freaks out in the early part of the movie after coming back from space, he has a laughably fast change of heart.
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EvalAngell posted...

my only gripe with Endgame is how quickly Tony figures out time travel and how quickly he's willing to sacrifice the life he has with his family. If I'm Tony, there's no way you're convincing me to leave my daughter. I don't care what happened or what could potentially happen. I get it's an ego thing and it was eating him up for the longest. But after he freaks out in the early part of the movie after coming back from space, he has a laughably fast change of heart.

There was a five year timeskip.
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EvalAngell posted...

my only gripe with Endgame is how quickly Tony figures out time travel and how quickly he's willing to sacrifice the life he has with his family. If I'm Tony, there's no way you're convincing me to leave my daughter. I don't care what happened or what could potentially happen.

This just reminds me of how much I hate time travel. So the plan was to just bring everybody that disappeared back to the present? At first I thought it was they go back in time 5 years to stop Thanos and then live out those 5 years again. Which of course Tony wouldn't want because he's now built a life for himself with a wife and daughter (I guess the Aunt May and Tony shipping with Peter as a surrogate son didn't work out for fans hehe)

But then Tony says a line like "don't change anything, just bring everyone that disappeared to the present" or something like that. Which I mean... I don't even understand what magic is needed for that. Also I thought Endgame was gonna feature scenes of the alternate dimension of where everyone that was snapped was. I just assumed that when they were snapped they were trapped in like a netherworld while everyone in the real world was looking for them.

God I hate these two movies. Just utterly nonsensical.
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saspa posted...

EvalAngell posted...

my only gripe with Endgame is how quickly Tony figures out time travel and how quickly he's willing to sacrifice the life he has with his family. If I'm Tony, there's no way you're convincing me to leave my daughter. I don't care what happened or what could potentially happen.

This just reminds me of how much I hate time travel. So the plan was to just bring everybody that disappeared back to the present? At first I thought it was they go back in time 5 years to stop Thanos and then live out those 5 years again. Which of course Tony wouldn't want because he's now built a life for himself with a wife and daughter (I guess the Aunt May and Tony shipping with Peter as a surrogate son didn't work out for fans hehe)

But then Tony says a line like "don't change anything, just bring everyone that disappeared to the present" or something like that. Which I mean... I don't even understand what magic is needed for that. Also I thought Endgame was gonna feature scenes of the alternate dimension of where everyone that was snapped was. I just assumed that when they were snapped they were trapped in like a netherworld while everyone in the real world was looking for them.

God I hate these two movies. Just utterly nonsensical.

so the whole 2 part cinematic experienced is nonsensical because YOU lack comprehension skills?

ill let you youtube the hulk snap real quick, go on
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Also I'm surprised they even killed off Tony, what's that about?

And having Steve selfishly stay in the past to marry Peggy... doesn't that mean that Peggy's niece from Winter Soldier etc doesn't exist and is wiped out? More importantly, Peggy already got married to someone else and built a family and life for herself, is it just me or did the movie completely gloss over that? Or did I miss something? That's literally all I could think about.

Also I can't believe Loki is actually dead, what's that about. They're killing off the best characters, the saving grace of the MCU especially Loki.

It's like, of the original 4 the one with the best ending has been Hulk, whose resolution I actually liked and also had some of the best scenes in the movie like the taco scene (easily a highlight) and the New York scene.
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saspa posted...

More importantly, Peggy already got married to someone else and built a family and life for herself, is it just me or did the movie completely gloss over that? Or did I miss something? That's literally all I could think about.

She was married to Steve Rogers the whole time.
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pikachupwnage posted...

EvalAngell posted...

my only gripe with Endgame is how quickly Tony figures out time travel and how quickly he's willing to sacrifice the life he has with his family. If I'm Tony, there's no way you're convincing me to leave my daughter. I don't care what happened or what could potentially happen. I get it's an ego thing and it was eating him up for the longest. But after he freaks out in the early part of the movie after coming back from space, he has a laughably fast change of heart.

There was a five year timeskip.

no there wasn't. When Cap, Black Widow & Ant-Man go to meet Tony at his cabin on the lake to propose the "time heist" he immediately says no way and that his life actually improved following the snap. He says he has everything he needs right there. Then later on that night, Pepper of all people gives him her blessing to go through with it. Which I found odd since back in Iron Man 3 she's begging him to give up the superhero life and stop being Iron Man.

So no it wasn't a 5 year time skip. It was like 10 hours.
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The 5 year time skip he's referring to is probably from Tony coming back to space and having a daughter, but not from when they discuss the time travel heist.
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saspa posted...

time travel (the deus ex machina that literally makes everything pointless because you can always just go back in time and fix mistakes, making the stakes much less meaningful)

The time travel machine was destroyed and Tony Stark died soon after. Nobody else can make it.
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Garioshi posted...

Nobody else can make it.

Just like how no one could make another iron man suit right, or how no one could make a similar hank pym formula.
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saspa posted...

EvalAngell posted...

my only gripe with Endgame is how quickly Tony figures out time travel and how quickly he's willing to sacrifice the life he has with his family. If I'm Tony, there's no way you're convincing me to leave my daughter. I don't care what happened or what could potentially happen.

This just reminds me of how much I hate time travel. So the plan was to just bring everybody that disappeared back to the present? At first I thought it was they go back in time 5 years to stop Thanos and then live out those 5 years again. Which of course Tony wouldn't want because he's now built a life for himself with a wife and daughter (I guess the Aunt May and Tony shipping with Peter as a surrogate son didn't work out for fans hehe)

But then Tony says a line like "don't change anything, just bring everyone that disappeared to the present" or something like that. Which I mean... I don't even understand what magic is needed for that. Also I thought Endgame was gonna feature scenes of the alternate dimension of where everyone that was snapped was. I just assumed that when they were snapped they were trapped in like a netherworld while everyone in the real world was looking for them.

God I hate these two movies. Just utterly nonsensical.

This sounds more like you're complaining about them not doing what you thought they would. That isn't the film's fault. They never said that people were snapped to another dimension. They were dead, period.

Also, how can you not understand why they would need magic to bring people back to the present?

EvalAngell posted...

no there wasn't. When Cap, Black Widow & Ant-Man go to meet Tony at his cabin on the lake to propose the "time heist" he immediately says no way and that his life actually improved following the snap. He says he has everything he needs right there. Then later on that night, Pepper of all people gives him her blessing to go through with it. Which I found odd since back in Iron Man 3 she's begging him to give up the superhero life and stop being Iron Man.

So no it wasn't a 5 year time skip. It was like 10 hours.

So you missed the part where he only agreed if they didn't erase the last 5 years?

saspa posted...

Garioshi posted...

Nobody else can make it.

Just like how no one could make another iron man suit right, or how no one could make a similar hank pym formula.

I mean, both those things were using tech that Stark and Pym created so...Not like people were just coming up with this stuff on their own.

Also, like Tony said, you mess with time then time messes back.

Ok but the logistics of bringing back 3 billion people all at once, assuming the same age they were at the moment of the snap, while everyone else moved on and aged around them, is kind of too big to just gloss over.
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Holy shit guys stop dissecting the time travel and just enjoy the ride. This is literally a Marvel movie, it's not Primer.

saspa posted...

Ok but the logistics of bringing back 3 billion people all at once, assuming the same age they were at the moment of the snap, while everyone else moved on and aged around them, is kind of too big to just gloss over.

Magic.Space.Stones.

clearaflagrantj posted...

Holy shit guys stop dissecting the time travel and just enjoy the ride. This is literally a Marvel movie, it's not Primer.

lol, for real.
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