Current Events > a kay jewelers branch refuses service to cop with gun on the job

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I wonder how they transfer all their cash or diamonds without an arm guard entering the store
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chrono625 posted...

I wonder how they transfer all their cash or diamonds without an arm guard entering the store

im sure they tell the guard to leave the gun in their armored truck, what could go wrong? anyway the armed guard has no business being in a gun free zone.
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chrono625 posted...

I wonder how they transfer all their cash or diamonds without an arm guard entering the store

Again, thats different. They expect him to come in. They have that situation set up with him. This cop is still just an unknown customer to them despite his uniform. That badge shouldnt give him preferential treatment.
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Of course the cop has to be a dick about the policy.
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VipaGTS posted...

chrono625 posted...

I wonder how they transfer all their cash or diamonds without an arm guard entering the store

Again, thats different. They expect him to come in. They have that situation set up with him. This cop is still just an unknown customer to them despite his uniform. That badge shouldnt give him preferential treatment.

The cop isnt a stranger, hes a uniformed public servant who has a service weapon allowed to him by law and code.

And if hes on lunch break he isnt on the clock, which was stated in the article. So hes allowed to perform personal tasks if it doesnt or wouldnt impede his job in case of an emergency.

And if kay jewelers corporate is saying the manager was wrong and the cop didnt break a policy then I'll also take their word as well.

Their policy was apparently "NO GUNS ALLOWED" so if that's the case there shouldnt be any exceptions, right? So again, how is a armed guard supposed to transfer jewelry and cash if not armed.
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Well... now we know the easiest way to rob a jewellery store.

Again, just because hes a cop doesnt mean all stores have to give in to them. Public servant? Hes still just an unknown customer to the store and if they dont want people they dont know coming in with guns I dont see the issue. But hes a cop! Shouldnt mean he gets to do things other civilians cant do. If they called him to help with something Id agree with you. At that point hes on the job, they expected him to come and he needs to be equipped. In this case he was just a customer, uniform or not.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

If they have a no gun policy then how is it anti cop? Maybe he shouldn't be picking up jewelry on the clock/in uniform. Dont be stupid.

What frustrates me is that so many people blindly follow policy without giving consideration to exceptions.

A policy is neither a rule nor is it a law. Theyre supposed to help guide procedure, but they can be violated in certain circumstances without compromising the integrity of a mission statement or company.

I would think that this kind of policy was not drafted with the intent to give an on-duty police officer a hard time, and I wish a manager would have enough critical reasoning skills to just let this guy conduct his business. But whatever, its ultimately the stores prerogative to blindly enforce policy.
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MrPeppers posted...

I would think that this kind of policy was not drafted with the intent to give an on-duty police officer a hard time, and I wish a manager would have enough critical reasoning skills to just let this guy conduct his business. But whatever, its ultimately the stores prerogative to blindly enforce policy.

What intent does it have then?
Someone looking to rob the place isn't going to see the sign on the door, then kindly leave his gun in his car. Meanwhile, a gun in an ankle-holster (or even openly hip-carried) is irrelevant to someone who just wants to buy some jewellery.

MrPeppers posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

If they have a no gun policy then how is it anti cop? Maybe he shouldn't be picking up jewelry on the clock/in uniform. Dont be stupid.

What frustrates me is that so many people blindly follow policy without giving consideration to exceptions.

A policy is neither a rule nor is it a law. Theyre supposed to help guide procedure, but they can be violated in certain circumstances without compromising the integrity of a mission statement or company.

I would think that this kind of policy was not drafted with the intent to give an on-duty police officer a hard time, and I wish a manager would have enough critical reasoning skills to just let this guy conduct his business. But whatever, its ultimately the stores prerogative to blindly enforce policy.

What if someone just puts on a cop uniform with intent to rob or harm them? I know its unlikely but its still a possibility. They cant just see a uniform and drop their guard immediately. They have thousands of dollars worth of merchandise in there. Its understandable that they want to follow rules by the book and take no chances. This cop should understand that not throw a fit because he wasnt allowed to do something no else would be able to.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

MrPeppers posted...

I would think that this kind of policy was not drafted with the intent to give an on-duty police officer a hard time, and I wish a manager would have enough critical reasoning skills to just let this guy conduct his business. But whatever, its ultimately the stores prerogative to blindly enforce policy.

What intent does it have then?
Someone looking to rob the place isn't going to see the sign on the door, then kindly leave his gun in his car.

It would probably have the intent to lower the chance of a random citizen walking in with an open carry. Look I dont completely disagree with the managers decision, its just such horse shit when people use policy as a rigid set of codes that must be enforced at all costs. I guess I went a bit off on a tangent.
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VipaGTS posted...

Again, just because hes a cop doesnt mean all stores have to give in to them. Public servant? Hes still just an unknown customer to the store and if they dont want people they dont know coming in with guns I dont see the issue. But hes a cop! Shouldnt mean he gets to do things other civilians cant do. If they called him to help with something Id agree with you. At that point hes on the job, they expected him to come and he needs to be equipped. In this case he was just a customer, uniform or not.

Kay corporate seems to think otherwise. And as the above said, a policy is not a law. Policy can be waived given certain circumstances, a manager telling an in uniform cop he cant come into the store because of a "policy" proves the manager needs to use better discretion.

If this was a plain clothes guy I could understand confusion. If the manager let the cop handle his business and got in trouble I'm sure the cop, the department and residents would have backed that manager up 100%.
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MrPeppers posted...

I guess I went a bit off on a tangent.

This whole thread is a collision of tangents.

...or I guess it would be, if tangents could collide, mathematically.

Awesome posted...

more anti-cop sentiment going on in this country, it's disgusting.

Or, and this might sound crazy, but stay with me here, a privately owned company, with an established, posted, strict policy prohibiting firearms on the premises due to security reasons.

Now why would a jewelry store need a policy like that? Must be just to be jerks to cops, and probably nothing to do with the products they sell.
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VipaGTS posted...

What if someone just puts on a cop uniform with intent to rob or harm them? I know its unlikely but its still a possibility.

How is a perpetrator getting a cop uniform and why would someone looking to commit a felony go out of their way to dress up like a cop to rob a jewelry store.

And after this story, its easier to rob this store while not dressing up like a cop.

This scenario was awfully silly.
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chrono625 posted...

VipaGTS posted...

Again, just because hes a cop doesnt mean all stores have to give in to them. Public servant? Hes still just an unknown customer to the store and if they dont want people they dont know coming in with guns I dont see the issue. But hes a cop! Shouldnt mean he gets to do things other civilians cant do. If they called him to help with something Id agree with you. At that point hes on the job, they expected him to come and he needs to be equipped. In this case he was just a customer, uniform or not.

Kay corporate seems to think otherwise. And as the above said, a policy is not a law. Policy can be waived given certain circumstances, a manager telling an in uniform cop he cant come into the store because of a "policy" proves the manager needs to use better discretion.

If this was a plain clothes guy I could understand confusion. If the manager let the cop handle his business and got in trouble I'm sure the cop, the department and residents would have backed that manager up 100%.

Im just not ok with allowing cops to do things that other citizens wouldnt be able to just because they have a uniform on. So if he came in on his day off in plain clothes and his gun youd support the manager? What if he flashed his badge in plain clothes? Why should his profession allow him special privileges like that? This wasnt a life or death thing. He could have came back for his ring.
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chrono625 posted...

How is a perpetrator getting a cop uniform and why would someone looking to commit a felony go out of their way to dress up like a cop to rob a jewelry store.

This was a Trailer Park Boys plot, at least once.

DarthGravid posted...

Or, and this might sound crazy, but stay with me here, a privately owned company, with an established, posted, strict policy prohibiting firearms on the premises due to security reasons.

>policy cause security reason
>worried about a uniformed sheriff's deputy in your store

Wat
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VipaGTS posted...

Im just not ok with allowing cops to do things that other citizens wouldnt be able to just because they have a uniform on

So you're entirely okay with vigilantes and civilians enforcing laws?
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chrono625 posted...

VipaGTS posted...

What if someone just puts on a cop uniform with intent to rob or harm them? I know its unlikely but its still a possibility.

How is a perpetrator getting a cop uniform and why would someone looking to commit a felony go out of their way to dress up like a cop to rob a jewelry store.

And after this story, its easier to rob this store while not dressing up like a cop.

This scenario was awfully silly.

Its an example dude. Im just saying I can understand why the manager wouldnt want to make exceptions and would want to do things by the book. I think its nonsense that they are getting in trouble for it just because this happened to a cop.
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chrono625 posted...

VipaGTS posted...

Im just not ok with allowing cops to do things that other citizens wouldnt be able to just because they have a uniform on

So you're entirely okay with vigilantes and civilians enforcing laws?

Where did I say that?
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chrono625 posted...

DarthGravid posted...

Or, and this might sound crazy, but stay with me here, a privately owned company, with an established, posted, strict policy prohibiting firearms on the premises due to security reasons.

>policy cause security reason
>worried about a uniformed sheriff's deputy in your store

Wat

I thought about it after I posted. That's why it's gone. Sometimes I type faster than my brain works. I'm sorry.
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only cops should have guns
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VipaGTS posted...

chrono625 posted...

VipaGTS posted...

What if someone just puts on a cop uniform with intent to rob or harm them? I know its unlikely but its still a possibility.

How is a perpetrator getting a cop uniform and why would someone looking to commit a felony go out of their way to dress up like a cop to rob a jewelry store.

And after this story, its easier to rob this store while not dressing up like a cop.

This scenario was awfully silly.

Its an example dude. Im just saying I can understand why the manager wouldnt want to make exceptions and would want to do things by the book. I think its nonsense that they are getting in trouble for it just because this happened to a cop.

Its more reflective to me of enforcing policy on the managers part for fear of losing his job, which given the scenario is not particularly indicative of an incredibly intelligent individual.

Its not really about giving a cop special privileges. Its akin to (although obviously not the same as) being angry that someone let a man in scrubs resuscitate a bystander instead of someone in regular clothes. Sure, the guy in scrubs may not be qualified to, but youre playing very low odds at that point and really are being counterproductive.
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AlephZero posted...

only cops should have guns

If no one else has guns, why would cops even need them?

Im sure the stores tune will change if they ever get robbed
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Lordgold666 posted...

Im sure the stores tune will change if they ever get robbed

At the very least, the robbers won't have guns.

...right?

Stores can have a no pets allowed sign, but they cant stop service animals from coming in.

Police are never to be away from their service weapon while on duty as the need for it can come up in an instant, and them being without it can cost lives.
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chrono625 posted...

Their policy was apparently "NO GUNS ALLOWED" so if that's the case there shouldnt be any exceptions, right? So again, how is a armed guard supposed to transfer jewelry and cash if not armed.

there is a difference between security hired and a customer. the cop was the latter
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Mistere Man posted...

Stores can have a no pets allowed sign, but they cant stop service animals from coming in.

Police are never to be away from their service weapon while on duty as the need for it can come up in an instant, and them being without it can cost lives.

Which is fine. And if he was there responding to a call or investigating a situation Id agree with you, but he was there as a customer. Thats why I have no problem with the manager treating him as they would any customer. If hes doing something unrelated to his job that doesnt allow him to be fully prepared for his job he could have always came back. Picking up a sized ring isnt life or death. As a customer, he was treated as a customer. His uniform or the fact that he was running a personal errand while on the job shouldnt change that.
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Mistere Man posted...

Stores can have a no pets allowed sign, but they cant stop service animals from coming in.

Those animals are helping those customers. That uniform wasn't helping the customer that day.

You guys need to work on your comparisons.
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Who cares? Leave gun in car, get ring, be on your way. He wasn't gonna rob the place but just because he's cop doesn't mean they assume he won't rob them and should just let him bring his gun in. He could go there when off duty. He could leave his gun in the car like they said. This is a non-issue and a non-story.
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Who cares? Leave gun in car, get ring, be on your way. He wasn't gonna rob the place but just because he's cop doesn't mean they assume he won't rob them and should just let him bring his gun in. He could go there when off duty. He could leave his gun in the car like they said. This is a non-issue and a non-story.

You obviously didnt read the story.

No cop in any part of the world can just leave their service weapon in their car.
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either way hopefully the cop got his money back. and other jewelry stores have contacted him and are offering to give him rings for free and now people can stay away from that specific store. im sure now that all kay jewelry stores have gotten a memo from corporate telling them to not be jackasses and to let cops in and stop trying to make a point.
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chrono625 posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Who cares? Leave gun in car, get ring, be on your way. He wasn't gonna rob the place but just because he's cop doesn't mean they assume he won't rob them and should just let him bring his gun in. He could go there when off duty. He could leave his gun in the car like they said. This is a non-issue and a non-story.

You obviously didnt read the story.

No cop in any part of the world can just leave their service weapon in their car.

That's not the only suggestion I offered.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Mistere Man posted...

Stores can have a no pets allowed sign, but they cant stop service animals from coming in.

Those animals are helping those customers. That uniform wasn't helping the customer that day.

You guys need to work on your comparisons.

He is an officer of the law which people can break at anytime. If someone bust into Kay at that moment with a gun people would quickly question why didnt the cop in the store have his gun? Oh well he could have stopped several people from dying/getting robbed, but because the sign told him so he left his weapon in the car. Cops like doctors are always on duty even when off duty they can get called in at any time.

Cops get breaks, and lunch/dinner, but even then they have to be ready for a call as they could sit down to eat only to get a call they are needed a second later they have to leave immediately. Imagine if the call was just outside, now they have to get to their car to get something they never should have left in the first place.
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Private business - fair, next.
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EscapeFromHell posted...

Private business - fair, next.

if its fair next then why did kay corporate apologize to the cop and is going to have the employees go through retraining?
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Awesome posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

Private business - fair, next.

if its fair next then why did kay corporate apologize to the cop and is going to have the employees go through retraining?

Internet shitstorm ensued

Awesome posted...

EscapeFromHell posted...

Private business - fair, next.

if its fair next then why did kay corporate apologize to the cop and is going to have the employees go through retraining?

cuz of the bad pr from the fake outrage prob
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Awesome posted...

SauI_Goodman posted...

Philoktetes posted...

why is he running errands while on the job o_O

could have been a lunch break

its not even surprising that people here don't understand that many cops are just outside all day walking the street and driving around and on their lunch break or not they can basically do whatever they want.

He says proudly in defense of the lazy fuckwads not doing their job.
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Awesome posted...

SauI_Goodman posted...

Philoktetes posted...

why is he running errands while on the job o_O

could have been a lunch break

its not even surprising that people here don't understand that many cops are just outside all day walking the street and driving around and on their lunch break or not they can basically do whatever they want.

He says proudly in defense of the lazy fuckwads not doing their job.

Being on call is their job.
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Mistere Man posted...

He is an officer of the law which people can break at anytime. If someone bust into Kay at that moment with a gun people would quickly question why didnt the cop in the store have his gun? Oh well he could have stopped several people from dying/getting robbed, but because the sign told him so he left his weapon in the car. Cops like doctors are always on duty even when off duty they can get called in at any time.

So let's just let everyone walk into every store with a gun. So that way if something bad happens we'll have tons of people ready.

Is what I got from your post.

Cops acting like an entitled prick when he very easily could have gone before work, after work, his day off, any other time.
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bover_87 posted...

fair, next, they're not required to allow guns inside nor are police a protected class

but hey, standard fare for TC

typical bare minimum tolerance folk

"we only tolerate what we must and nothing more"
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ModLogic posted...

bover_87 posted...

fair, next, they're not required to allow guns inside nor are police a protected class

but hey, standard fare for TC

typical bare minimum tolerance folk

"we only tolerate what we must and nothing more"

Shut the fuck up, so much nothing coming out.
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That jeweler is gonna be fucked if they ever get robbed.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

That jeweler is gonna be fucked if they ever get robbed.

good to know cops are petty enough to let someone get robbed and murdered
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Mistere Man posted...

He is an officer of the law which people can break at anytime. If someone bust into Kay at that moment with a gun people would quickly question why didnt the cop in the store have his gun? Oh well he could have stopped several people from dying/getting robbed, but because the sign told him so he left his weapon in the car. Cops like doctors are always on duty even when off duty they can get called in at any time.

So let's just let everyone walk into every store with a gun. So that way if something bad happens we'll have tons of people ready.

Is what I got from your post.

Cops acting like an entitled prick when he very easily could have gone before work, after work, his day off, any other time.

It is part of their job to carry a gun and stop threats to the public. I personally would rather they be ready at all times instead of them having to run back outside to get their gun in a crisis.

Just like service dogs are a public servant and allowed to be in stores when it says no pets allowed the police another public servant should be allowed to have their service weapon on them Incase they have to do their job at any moment even if it says no weapons. I said nothing of other people having guns, unless you mean the robber who would ignore the sign anyway. It would be like saying the dog is ok but take off the leash and leave it in your car. It cant do its job without the proper equipment and neither can the police officer.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

If they have a no gun policy then how is it anti cop? Maybe he shouldn't be picking up jewelry on the clock/in uniform. Dont be stupid.

Maybe they shouldn't be fucking sticklers. It's a cop. Let him carry the damn gun in, Jesus.