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Mead 06/04/19 3:20:07 PM #51: |
Yeah its certainly not some magical wonder plant
But it does have some positive effects for some and is a much safer alternative to some of the legal stuff folks use nowadays like opiates --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrozzenX 06/04/19 3:53:17 PM #52: |
No person on this earth as any right to tell another person what they can or cannot put in to, or take out of their own body.
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Aculo 06/04/19 4:00:24 PM #53: |
all drugs should be legal, tbh, ok?
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Fierce_Deity_08 06/04/19 5:30:19 PM #54: |
Just living seems hazardous to ones health. These substances just make it easier to deal with all the daily bullshit.
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darkknight109 06/04/19 6:37:23 PM #55: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
Not a single current society is using cannabis to its fullest potential for our greatest benefits. That tells me that its benefits are a lot less than you're suggesting - otherwise, simple laws of supply-and-demand would have it take over, because someone would recognize the incredible profit-potential of this miracle plant and monetize the hell out of it. The fact that that hasn't happened, even in countries where it is legal, is an immediate sign that prohibition wasn't holding back any sort of cultural and societal evolution like you're indicating. SunWuKung420 posted... Do you believe that the propaganda that led to the prohibition of marijuana was based on truth and fact? I don't see how this is relevant to the discussion, but I can't say I've ever looked in-depth at the rationale for why marijuana was banned. That said, it doesn't really matter - we're not arguing if they were right to ban it then, we're arguing if it should be unbanned now. Whether or not they followed a good process back then has nothing to do with whether or not the stuff has long-term health risks we need to be concerned about now. The materials I have seen from back then were long on hysteria and short on actual research... so you should be totally in favour of making a decision now that isn't based on emotions and gut instincts, but instead is backed up by thorough, peer-reviewed study. Aculo posted... all drugs should be legal, tbh, ok? I've never understood this. This is advocating legally allowing companies to create and freely market poisons like crystal meth or cocaine and sell them to addicts, in essence profiting off of the misery and death of others. The gaming community is all up in arms about lootboxes being manipulative and addictive profitmongering, but you're in favour of letting big business run rampant with marketing chemicals that can literally kill you? There's a pretty big disconnect there. But even ignoring the questionable morals of the proposal, there's another logical flaw in the argument that few people acknowledge. Generally speaking, I'm in favour of allowing people to make decisions - even bad decisions - and suffer the consequences. Want to get into prostitution? Hey, it's your body, do with it what you will. I say legalize it and get some protections for the workers there so that they aren't facing potential clients that could hurt them or pimps that will exploit them. Want to end your life with dignity and on your own terms rather than suffer through the agonizing end of a terminal illness? Doctor assisted death is A-OK by me. The reason why I make an exception for drugs is because the "I should be allowed to choose" argument, which is usually a solid one, starts to look pretty shaky when you're talking about a substance that literally takes away your ability for free choice. I would be a lot more OK with the idea of legalizing recreational drugs if they weren't, in many cases, extraordinarily addictive. Because while I believe people should be allowed to make bad decisions, I also believe that if they have a change of heart they should have the opportunity to correct those bad decisions. Drugs make that correction extremely difficult - coming clean, especially off something like opiates or cocaine, can take a Herculean force of will, along with a good support system, and many addicts have neither. The opioid epidemic that is killing people by the score isn't happening because recreational opiates are illegal; it's happening because these are very, very addicting substances that can kill your ass dead and the crisis would be roaring on unabated whether these drugs were legal or not. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nichtcrawler X 06/04/19 6:41:58 PM #56: |
darkknight109 posted...
I've never understood this. This is advocating legally allowing companies to create and freely market poisons like crystal meth or cocaine and sell them to addicts, in essence profiting off of the misery and death of others. Alcohol? --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 06/04/19 6:52:57 PM #57: |
Nichtcrawler X posted...
Alcohol? I already spelled out my views on alcohol earlier in the topic, but there are orders of magnitude of difference between alcohol and crystal meth. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 06/04/19 6:55:27 PM #58: |
Wait. Sunny is a stoner? That doesn't sound very zen but also isn't surprising.
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SunWuKung420 06/04/19 7:00:16 PM #59: |
darkknight109 posted...
I don't see how this is relevant to the discussion, but I can't say I've ever looked in-depth at the rationale for why marijuana was banned. Because the idea that marijuana is unsafe is rooted in propaganda that was simply fearmongering lies. Prior to prohibition, and for many, many years before, its safeness and usefulness was already known. wwinterj25 posted... Wait. Sunny is a stoner? That doesn't sound very zen but also isn't surprising. I'm an advocate for healthier living. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 06/04/19 7:02:01 PM #60: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
I'm an advocate for healthier living. I'd have thought smoking no drugs at all would be the better option then. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SunWuKung420 06/04/19 7:03:34 PM #61: |
wwinterj25 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...I'm an advocate for healthier living. I don't smoke. Marijuana isn't an unhealthy "drug". --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 06/04/19 7:06:42 PM #62: |
darkknight109 posted...
The gaming community is all up in arms about lootboxes being manipulative and addictive profitmongering, but you're in favour of letting big business run rampant with marketing chemicals that can literally kill you? There's a pretty big disconnect there. That's not comparable. Selling drugs would be like lootboxes if people were like "Buy and inject yourself with these heroin needles; if you find the one with a gold coin in it, you can keep it!" Lootboxes are an issue because the intent is to deprive you of what you want for as long as possible. Drug dealers just give you what you want and let you make up your own mind if you want it. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 06/04/19 7:08:33 PM #63: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
wwinterj25 posted...SunWuKung420 posted...I'm an advocate for healthier living. This just in, the breakfast bar has a very specific clientele interested in health brownies. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CTLM 06/04/19 7:13:07 PM #64: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
wwinterj25 posted...SunWuKung420 posted...I'm an advocate for healthier living. So many studies disagree with your opinion --- PSN: CPortzline ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 06/04/19 7:17:17 PM #65: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
Marijuana isn't an unhealthy "drug". Weed is a mind altering drug that shouldn't be in anyone's system so despite your justification for it it certainly isn't good for you. Although it can certainly help folk with illnesses or those who are in pain. As I said no smoking of drugs is the more healthy option. While we are at it I hope you don't drink alcohol or eat fatty foods. A advocate for living healthy wouldn't be doing those things. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SunWuKung420 06/04/19 7:17:56 PM #66: |
CTLM posted...
So many studies disagree with your opinion You are going to have to wait for me to finish using the restroom before I'll respond seriously to you. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 06/04/19 7:20:38 PM #67: |
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CTLM 06/04/19 7:20:49 PM #68: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
CTLM posted...So many studies disagree with your opinion Hope you're flushing down your bullshit opinion in the process --- PSN: CPortzline ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 06/04/19 7:22:18 PM #69: |
CTLM posted...
Hope you're flushing down your bullshit opinion in the process I mean I've heard many folk that come up with many reasons to justify smoking weed but "it's healthy" has never been one of them. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/kDysIcd ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CTLM 06/04/19 7:24:40 PM #70: |
wwinterj25 posted...
CTLM posted...Hope you're flushing down your bullshit opinion in the process Usually they say "it's not bad for you" or "it's natural so it can't be bad". Never had someone say it was healthy --- PSN: CPortzline ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SunWuKung420 06/04/19 7:25:11 PM #71: |
wwinterj25 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...Marijuana isn't an unhealthy "drug". Cannabis contains cannabinoids. My brain, your brain, everyone's brain has receptors for cannabinoids. Hmm, why would the brain be specifically designed to willingly accept cannabinoids, but we don't make it ourselves? Maybe because cannabis should be in our diet. Most other drugs, legal or illegal, work by mimicing naturally occurring substances in our body or by blocking certain receptors or biological processes. Cannabis does none of that. Our body, our brain is built to receive it. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 06/04/19 7:27:22 PM #72: |
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Nichtcrawler X 06/04/19 7:27:29 PM #73: |
darkknight109 posted...
Perhaps, I am not entirely sure where meth would fall on the hard drug scale, I just know that is a hard drug, like alcohol is firmly a hard drug. While cannabis is only a soft drug. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASlaveObeys 06/04/19 7:30:01 PM #74: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
wwinterj25 posted...SunWuKung420 posted...Marijuana isn't an unhealthy "drug". We do make cannabinoids you dolt. Endocannabinoids are produced by the human body to activate cannabinoid receptors. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 06/04/19 7:31:05 PM #75: |
I'm not sure if it's weed but I certainly want whatever Sunny is on.
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CTLM 06/04/19 7:35:43 PM #76: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
wwinterj25 posted...SunWuKung420 posted...Marijuana isn't an unhealthy "drug". Right. No problems but altered sense of time changes in mood impaired body movement difficulty with thinking and problem-solving impaired memory hallucinations (when taken in high doses) delusions (when taken in high doses) psychosis (when taken in high doses) For something our body is "designed to accept?" Ok. That's just short term effects there Then there's breathing problems, nausea/vomiting, problems with child development during and after pregnancy, loss of IQ points, etc So good for you. I can find a lot of studies to show pot isn't the great thing you think it is. Yell all you want but it doesn't change reality https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana --- PSN: CPortzline ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 06/04/19 7:52:08 PM #77: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
Prior to prohibition, and for many, many years before, its safeness and usefulness was already known. Prior to the 1950s and for many, many centuries before, the safeness and usefulness of lead was also well known. Again, if this stuff is as safe as you claim, no harm studying it to confirm it, right? CTLM posted... Usually they say "it's not bad for you" or "it's natural so it can't be bad". Never had someone say it was healthy I have. It's kind of weird, because everyone complains about the "Reefer Madness" era of anti-weed propaganda, yet the pro-weed crowd seems totally OK with doing the exact same thing but reversed. Over the course of my lifetime I've seen the pro-weed message go from, "That old propaganda is lying, weed doesn't make you crazy," (true) to "Weed isn't *that* bad for you" (mostly true, depending on context) to "Weed is harmless" (false) to "Weed is good for you" (false) to "Weed cures cancer and epilepsy" (very false, what the fuck). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJ StErOiDs 06/04/19 8:54:23 PM #78: |
I support it on the medical front. I'm undecided and mostly indifferent toward its recreational use for now - if anything I'm curious about what long-term effects (health, economical, scholastic and so on) it might have.
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CaptainStrong 06/04/19 10:09:09 PM #79: |
darkknight109 posted...
CaptainStrong posted...If I wanna be a GAMEFAQS CENSORED THIS WORD and hurt my self why should they stop me? this is supposed to be the land of the free. The American government doesn't give a flying fuck about keeping me healthy. If they did, they would've implemented universal healthcare decades ago like every other first world country. All they give a fuck about is the corporations and super rich. And the impact someone getting hurt a little more in a car crash would have on the government is negligible. How many tax dollars would the government even lose because of it? There's no way in hell it's more than a drop in the ocean compared to the tax dollars they lose because of the tax evading rich assholes. And I don't encourage it, I just think that if people wanna be stupid and not wear a seat belt, they should be allowed to. You want more arguments than it's mostly safe? Okay. #1 Tons of medical benefits. #2 Extra tax dollars and all the good that can come from it. #3 You don't have to worry about weed being laced with other shit and if someone does fuck you over, you can take them to court. #4 Less people in prison and less lives ruined (And don't you care about people contributing to society by working and paying taxes? How can they do so when they're in prison for getting caught with weed too many times?) #5 Personal freedom. #6 Hurts the drug cartels How is it completely irrelevant? They're both common recreational drugs. Alcohol can kill you in a single night if you drink too much. You can't die directly from smoking too much weed. If a very dangerous drug like alcohol is legal, why should a pretty safe drug like weed be illegal? It's a stupid double standard. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dioxxys 06/04/19 10:33:12 PM #80: |
kangolcone posted...
We live in a society that allows self-harm within reason. Simply because something is not good for you is not a reason to keep it illegal. This post wins the topic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 06/04/19 10:42:36 PM #81: |
CTLM posted...
Right. No problems but altered sense of time What, whiskey? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 06/04/19 10:56:54 PM #82: |
Those arent bugs theyre features
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darkknight109 06/05/19 1:03:42 AM #83: |
CaptainStrong posted...
You want more arguments than it's mostly safe? Okay. 1. Questionable. Again, proper peer-reviewed study on the health effects of weed - for good and for ill - are in short supply right now. Most of the purported benefits are anecdotal. It does have recognized uses (treating pain and stimulating appetite in chemotherapy patients, for instance) but it's not a coincidence that most of the people using medical marijuana are using it for nebulous, impossible-to-prove conditions like "chronic pain" (not saying all of those people are faking it just so they can smoke up, but a significant proportion of them are). 2. That depends on how you tax it and even then the tax value is often grossly exaggerated. People kind of assume that as soon as you legalize it all of the enforcement dollars go away... yet you'll still need people watching for bootleggers, the same as with alcohol, or monitoring to make sure the weed being sold is up to legal standards, like with any other sold consumable. That said, there will very likely be a tax benefit, it's just questionable as to how much. That said, this is a valid point, if oft overstated. 3. A valid point. 4. Technically this could be solved with decriminalization, which I wholeheartedly support, but this is a valid point in favour of not keeping it as a criminal offence. 5. A valid point. 6. Unlikely - in areas where weed has been made legal, the drug cartels typically just switch to something else, like cocaine or gun-running or sex trafficking. See? You've proved my point - if you ditch the "it's safer than alcohol" non-argument, you can make some much stronger and better supported arguments in favour of legalization. CaptainStrong posted... How is it completely irrelevant? They're both common recreational drugs. And? Again, talking about how dangerous alcohol is is a talking point about alcohol. Not weed. Saying "alcohol can kill you in a single night" is a great supporting argument if your central point is, "We need to ban alcohol"; it's completely useless as an argument for anything to do with weed. It would be like me saying, "Playing football can result in concussions and brain damage, therefore weed should be legal" - the conclusion is not supported by the premise. CaptainStrong posted... If a very dangerous drug like alcohol is legal, why should a pretty safe drug like weed be illegal? It's a stupid double standard. Because our standard for whether or not "Drug X" is legal is not solely determined by how safe they are. Else drugs like oxycodone and vicodin would be illegal, while LSD would be legal. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 06/05/19 1:30:58 AM #84: |
CTLM posted...
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RoboXgp89 06/05/19 1:33:03 AM #85: |
Nichtcrawler X posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...I'd make it legal medically alcohol should always be diluted to 3%, people who serve at a bar shouldn't be allowed to make any drink higher than that sounds crazy right? but that's exactly how much alcohol there would be to make it safer to drink in one day that it is now, that's not even taking into account the other days you drink alcohol, so if someone drank three beers a day every day it'd have to have a alcohol content of 1% to be safe --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 06/05/19 1:43:16 AM #86: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
alcohol should always be diluted to 3% Anyone who thinks 3% is non-intoxicating, didn't drink enough of it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 06/05/19 2:40:11 AM #87: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
Nichtcrawler X posted...RoboXgp89 posted...I'd make it legal medically Dude youve posted before about how you dont even take doctor prescribed medication What makes you an expert on what everyone else should be able to have access to? --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 06/05/19 3:00:08 AM #88: |
CTLM posted...
So good for you. I can find a lot of studies to show pot isn't the great thing you think it is. Yell all you want but it doesn't change reality While I definitely question recreational drugs being "good" for anyone, adults without schizophrenia aren't affected long-term. I want to know what the fuck Salvia does to people's brains. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 06/05/19 4:21:07 AM #89: |
Mead posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...Nichtcrawler X posted...RoboXgp89 posted...I'd make it legal medically If you can read a side effects label you can make your own decisions. I'm not here to shill for some company either. If I say alcohol is bad for your genepool you should take the advice, there is no known benefit to drinking alcohol period unless you live in a 3rd world country and need your leg sawed off. I can actually make a better arguement for opiods being legal than I can for alcohol, but alcohol users get so sick of drinking it they don't typically OD, unless it's from chemical dependance withdrawl like amy winehouse or blood crystallization.. --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 06/05/19 5:22:38 AM #90: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
there is no known benefit to drinking alcohol period Social lubricant. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 06/05/19 5:37:29 AM #91: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
If I say alcohol is bad for your genepool you should take the advice I'd be more likely to take your advice if you knew what a gene pool was. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 06/05/19 5:56:54 AM #92: |
darkknight109 posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...If I say alcohol is bad for your genepool you should take the advice personal attacks will get you nowhere, alcoholism is a disease --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sarcasthma 06/05/19 7:03:23 AM #93: |
ASlaveObeys posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...wwinterj25 posted...SunWuKung420 posted...Marijuana isn't an unhealthy "drug". @SunWuKung420 --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CTLM 06/05/19 7:35:09 AM #94: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
CTLM posted... Your "studies" aren't probably from viable sources and if you're taking drugs to counter drugs, then there's no point. Your counterpoints are terrible by way. Pregnant mothers smoke pot to help with nausea? I'm not even going to bother with the rest --- PSN: CPortzline ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Runner_style 06/05/19 8:44:28 AM #95: |
darkknight109 posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...If I say alcohol is bad for your genepool you should take the advice Isn't that the aftermath of a bukkake party? --- It's time gamers grew up instead of being pissy 5 year olds fighting over the most asinine things. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboXgp89 06/05/19 9:46:00 AM #96: |
doctors recommend it in 32 states, and cbd is legal in almost 40 I don't know what this guy is smoking
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Kyuubi4269 06/05/19 9:53:16 AM #97: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
doctors recommend it in 32 states X to doubt --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CTLM 06/05/19 9:55:12 AM #98: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
doctors recommend it in 32 states, and cbd is legal in almost 40 I don't know what this guy is smoking Recommended is not the same as accepting or allowed. Never seen or heard a respected doctor tell me to go smoke pot. --- PSN: CPortzline ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 06/05/19 10:08:45 AM #99: |
CTLM posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...doctors recommend it in 32 states, and cbd is legal in almost 40 I don't know what this guy is smoking Did a doctor tell you to constantly argue about stupid shit on potd --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nichtcrawler X 06/05/19 11:20:53 AM #101: |
RoboXgp89 posted...
alcohol should always be diluted to 3%, people who serve at a bar shouldn't be allowed to make any drink higher than that Unless you like to see bars as medical dispensaries, you are contradicting yourself. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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