Current Events > KickVic failing. Long lines to meet Vic

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A point as dull as a Papermate pen.

I feel like it's February again and KickVic is in full tilt. You've literally shown me nothing new. If getting a few drive-by lawyers commenting on the case is all it takes to get them started again, I wonder what would get them to shut up again. Maybe the discovery Monday, heh heh.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

A point as dull as a Papermate pen.

I feel like it's February again and KickVic is in full tilt. You've literally shown me nothing new. If getting a few drive-by lawyers commenting on the case is all it takes to get them started again, I wonder what would get them to shut up again. Maybe the discovery Monday, heh heh.

A point that rebuts your own flaccid assertion that voice actors only believed the claims because they were sexually implicit, and also because it was the most pragmatic choice for their careers. Same for the assertion that cons only booted him because the blowback would be too financially ruinous, as opposed to just, I don't know... ensuring guest safety?

Not that pragmatism isn't a factor, mind you. But it's far too cynical of you to assume it's the overriding one, or the only important one.

TurgidTyrant posted...

Voice actors believed the accusers because it was a safe call, plus the things they heard themselves. Conventions believed the accusers because it matched Vic's reputation within those circles at the time, and also he's a pain in the ass to deal with apparently. You're acting like it's all self-preservation and openly ignoring that there's active animosity and dislike towards him from his professional circle and the con circle. Animosity and dislike which does not exist with someone like James Gunn. That was my entire point.

There was an old thread from 2013 that I posted in that other topic before it closed that I'll go ahead and repost here.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/2000121-anime-and-manga-other-titles/67872530

He's had a reputation for a long-ass time - long before #KickVic became a thing. I could show you more than a few tweets from people in the VA industry and the con circuit calling him out - and I think I will, actually.

https://twitter.com/MicheleFeghali/status/1092852906716475392 - Michele Sontag, former Funi and current RoosterTeeth employee

https://twitter.com/DonaldAShults/status/1093356833052520448 - Voice director Donald Shults, for Okratron 5000 (the DB dubbing company)

https://emmettwrites.tumblr.com/post/183061213034/vic-mignogna-a-love-story - Emmett Plant, producer for Star Trek and writer for (Fun fact, this has the hair pull and ear-whispering in Monica and Jamie's stories that made you think they were "virtually identical")

https://twitter.com/SJBsMama/status/1092565481268150274 - Karissa Barrows, convention booking staffer and guest liason

https://twitter.com/BaraMountain/status/1092639920919855104 - Stacey, cosplayer

https://twitter.com/McBenefit/status/1090066200577695744 - Jamie McGonnigal, voice actor

https://twitter.com/Digibrah/status/1095037956816023554 - Digibro, Anituber

I could post more, but if I posted everyone across the industry who's heard of Vic and his reputation or had a run-in with him, we'd be here all day.

Definition of proof in English:

proof
noun

1mass noun Evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.
you will be asked to give proof of your identity
count noun this is not a proof for the existence of God

None of those tweets have veritable facts.
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Face it Vic's fans are obsessed, they think he's a perfect angel who can do no wrong and everyone who says anything bad about him is the devil in the flesh. Kickvic failed before it began.
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"Hurr it's only 19 not a big deal"
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https://twitter.com/MichellMcC73/status/1136461331429826561

The woman on Twitter that 26 year-old Vic had almost raped back when she was in high school? She found pics to back it up. There's one idiot accusing her of being a stalker, but at this point the idiocy of Vic Stans doesn't surprise me.
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TurgidTyrant posted...

I could show you more than a few tweets from people in the VA industry and the con circuit calling him out - and I think I will, actually.

You fool, all of those people belong to Christopher Sabat's VO cabal dedicated to ruining the lives and careers of good christian men.
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I think it's amazing that some non entity va inspires such vicious fanboys. I guess the combination of anime, dude being a religious nut and those allegations makes for good new culture war bs
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Vic's Lawyer is a genius. I really have full faith in him. Why are people harping on him?

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....Vic is a creep.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

I think it's amazing that some non entity va inspires such vicious fanboys. I guess the combination of anime, dude being a religious nut and those allegations makes for good new culture war bs

You AvantgardeAClue about what you're talking about guy, no1curr about his religion nor he's a popular VA for everyone involved

If he's guilty he's guilty. I'm not letting Twitter make that choice if if it can be helped
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Thomp do you still like and respect candace owens
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

Thomp do you still like and respect candace owens

Yes and no

Is there a point you're trying to make with that question or were you just curious
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How does a picture from the 80s prove he raped a girl?

i just think it's funny you like and respect somebody so plainly stupid
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Is he still getting VA work? If not then it doesnt matter if it worked or not, they won.
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not at all surprising that the same people that defend pedophile milo also defend this scumbag. vic is toxic and should stay away.
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StanZarnack posted...

not at all surprising that the same people that defend pedophile milo also defend this scumbag. vic is toxic and should stay away.

Milo is not a pedophile. He is a pedophile victim. It should be moddable to call him a pedophile

it's calling a victim of rape, a pedophile. if someone posted a news article about a person molested as a child and their struggle in adulthood to get over it, and then someone refered to the victim as a pedophile, I guarantee you they would be modded. for some reason it's only ok with Milo

You can be a victim and a criminal. One doesn't negate the other. Sadly, it's quite possible for a victim of child molestation to do the same later on in life.
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yea but he didn't. show me proof that Milo has molested anyone. you are just making it up

I don't totally agree with what he said, but I think people are taking it out of context. also I think people are forgetting he might have stocholm syndrom with his abuser. you shouldn't judge him

also this is from the same quote

The law is probably about right, thats probably roughly the right age. I think its probably about okay,

when asked if he thinks the age of consent should change

he is saying no. it shouldn't

he is saying it only works with weirdos like him that are like less than 1 percent of the population and that it's too small to worry about, and let's just keep believing in the law. he was not saying to ever change the law and he's saying still ban pedophelia

Conflict posted...

Ah yes, the ol' "won't somebody please think of the guy who defended his own rape". The same song we've heard in every Boogie topic

Zikten posted...

forgetting he might have stocholm syndrom with his abuser

he did it cause he's messed up in the head. when someone gets brainwashed, you don't insult them and make fun of them.

what if he is saying these things as his brain's way of coping with the horror that happened to him?

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

https://twitter.com/MichellMcC73/status/1136461331429826561

The woman on Twitter that 26 year-old Vic had almost raped back when she was in high school? She found pics to back it up. There's one idiot accusing her of being a stalker, but at this point the idiocy of Vic Stans doesn't surprise me.

Yeah she found pics proving he was in a play in 1989.

Conflict posted...

So he isn't a pedophile but he damn sure advocated it

James Gunn confirmed to be a pedophile.

Conflict posted...

The same song we've heard in every Boogie topic

What did he do? I don't watch his channel.
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Revelation34 posted...

https://twitter.com/MichellMcC73/status/1136461331429826561

The woman on Twitter that 26 year-old Vic had almost raped back when she was in high school? She found pics to back it up. There's one idiot accusing her of being a stalker, but at this point the idiocy of Vic Stans doesn't surprise me.

A picture that were confirmed photoshopped mere hours later:

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137196309276975104

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137372000152936449

If you can't see the actual picture from him in 1989 doesn't match up whatsoever with the one Michelle posted you might need to get your eye junts inspected expediciously
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Revelation34 posted...

https://twitter.com/MichellMcC73/status/1136461331429826561

The woman on Twitter that 26 year-old Vic had almost raped back when she was in high school? She found pics to back it up. There's one idiot accusing her of being a stalker, but at this point the idiocy of Vic Stans doesn't surprise me.

A picture that were confirmed photoshopped mere hours later:

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137196309276975104

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137372000152936449

If you can't see the actual picture from him in 1989 doesn't match up whatsoever with the one Michelle posted you might need to get your eye junts inspected expediciously

Kickvic is so fucking pathetic

Literally lying to try to win

Revelation34 posted...

Definition of proof in English:

proof
noun

1mass noun Evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.
you will be asked to give proof of your identity
count noun this is not a proof for the existence of God

None of those tweets have verifiable facts.

We call it character testimony, friendo.

That said, I very much doubt you have a very coherent standard of proof, since you got on me for that other topic for "lying" about Hammermor's tweets. I'm still very much confused about that.

Ranlom posted...

TurgidTyrant posted...

I could show you more than a few tweets from people in the VA industry and the con circuit calling him out - and I think I will, actually.

You fool, all of those people belong to Christopher Sabat's VO cabal dedicated to ruining the lives and careers of good christian men.

You don't understand, it's the Anime Illuminati putting Vic down to protect the womz

Hairistotle posted...

Turgid I think it's time to wrap things up here. All they can do is insult you. I suggest marking Revelation for repeatedly calling you mentally r*******.

My involvement in here and in other topics is largely for my own amusement and the slightest vestige of intellectual stimulation.

That said, I'm sad to say that both are fading rather quickly with Revelation. He's becoming rather boring.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Revelation34 posted...

https://twitter.com/MichellMcC73/status/1136461331429826561

The woman on Twitter that 26 year-old Vic had almost raped back when she was in high school? She found pics to back it up. There's one idiot accusing her of being a stalker, but at this point the idiocy of Vic Stans doesn't surprise me.

A picture that were confirmed photoshopped mere hours later:

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137196309276975104

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137372000152936449

If you can't see the actual picture from him in 1989 doesn't match up whatsoever with the one Michelle posted you might need to get your eye junts inspected expediciously

Zikten posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Revelation34 posted...

https://twitter.com/MichellMcC73/status/1136461331429826561

The woman on Twitter that 26 year-old Vic had almost raped back when she was in high school? She found pics to back it up. There's one idiot accusing her of being a stalker, but at this point the idiocy of Vic Stans doesn't surprise me.

A picture that were confirmed photoshopped mere hours later:

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137196309276975104

https://twitter.com/anime_esh202/status/1137372000152936449

If you can't see the actual picture from him in 1989 doesn't match up whatsoever with the one Michelle posted you might need to get your eye junts inspected expediciously

Kickvic is so fucking pathetic

Literally lying to try to win

So question

With all these lines what keeps the chair leg from being behind his foot

Also it doesn't escape my notice that y'all have gotten on me and Darmik for citing "Internet lawyers" that "don't know the full context" of the case, yet y'all are ready to believe a freakin' Twitter rando acting like a forensic analyst.

TurgidTyrant posted...

With all these lines what keeps the chair leg from being behind his foot

if it was a legit picture, everything would be seamless. I just looked at it again and things don't line up. what keeps the chair leg from behind behind his foot? I don't know. but it's not. i'm looking at it right now, and you can tell someone did some editing and mixed different shots together. it's not a single photo. it's multiple pictures cut up

Also there's no shadow behind Vic on the wall, and his entire body lighting is a dimmer tone than the rest of the picture.

Y'all were really about to get worked over some PHOTOSHOPPED damning evidence
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Vic's foot does look like it's in front of the leg of the chair, at least to me anyway.

I do want to know where his left foot is as it should be visible from that perspective, why everyone else is getting lit up by the light completely but Vic isn't, and why he doesn't have a shadow.

At first glance he looked out of place in the picture but maybe it was just my eyes playing tricks on me.

I'm not going to say it's real or fake, but this picture doesn't prove Vic sexually assaulted anyone.
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TurgidTyrant posted...

So question

With all these lines what keeps the chair leg from being behind his foot

Also it doesn't escape my notice that y'all have gotten on me and Darmik for citing "Internet lawyers" that "don't know the full context" of the case, yet y'all are ready to believe a freakin' Twitter rando acting like a forensic analyst.

As you have pointedly seen, Vic Stans will go to any lengths to discredit anyone not on his side. Even his actual victims. Never have I seen so many people with their heads up another person's ass.

The chair leg is behind Vic's foot, the photo is clearly not scanned since you're seeing light reflecting off it and the edge of the photo shown in the corner, and he's standing next to a lamp so of course Vic's skin tone and shadows will be different.
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Dabrikishaw15 posted...

TurgidTyrant posted...

So question

With all these lines what keeps the chair leg from being behind his foot

Also it doesn't escape my notice that y'all have gotten on me and Darmik for citing "Internet lawyers" that "don't know the full context" of the case, yet y'all are ready to believe a freakin' Twitter rando acting like a forensic analyst.

As you have pointedly seen, Vic Stans will got any lengths to discredit any not on his side. Eve his actual victims. Never have I seen so many people with their heads up another person's ass.

The chair leg is behind Vic's foot, the photo is clearly not scanned since you're seeing light reflecting off it and the edge of the photo shown in the corner, and he's standing next to a lamp so of course Vic's skin tone and shadows will be different.

Because stealing a person's photo and claiming you're that person only to have it discovered that person was lying and merely having it labeled as mischaracterization, faking a swatting, DDOSing a man's underage daughter, telling someone you "hope they get raped" or "you should kill yourself" is certainly the moral high ground here.
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Strider102 posted...

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

TurgidTyrant posted...

So question

With all these lines what keeps the chair leg from being behind his foot

Also it doesn't escape my notice that y'all have gotten on me and Darmik for citing "Internet lawyers" that "don't know the full context" of the case, yet y'all are ready to believe a freakin' Twitter rando acting like a forensic analyst.

As you have pointedly seen, Vic Stans will got any lengths to discredit any not on his side. Eve his actual victims. Never have I seen so many people with their heads up another person's ass.

The chair leg is behind Vic's foot, the photo is clearly not scanned since you're seeing light reflecting off it and the edge of the photo shown in the corner, and he's standing next to a lamp so of course Vic's skin tone and shadows will be different.

Because stealing a person's photo and claiming you're that person only to have it discovered that person was lying and merely having it labeled as mischaracterization, faking a swatting, DDOSing a man's underage daughter, telling someone you "hope they get raped" or "you should kill yourself" is certainly the moral high ground here.

What about the threats of physical violence to people going to the ireland con to see vic?
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True

Kickvic is telling people to physically attack both Vic and anyone that sides with him. As usual, people like this are turning it into a physical conflict and saying anything is ok in the "war"

Also I have to laugh at the complete fucking hypocrisy of the situation. KickVicers get all there information from a forum which has already shown by stealing someone's pictures is not a place that is credible, it's irrelevant if it happened once or 100 times. One time is too many and a huge red flag as to validity of everything. "But it got removed!" Irrelevant. If anyone from the Vic side did anything like that people would be foaming at the mouth questioning their credibility.

But if anyone on Vic's side does the same they act like they have some moral high ground to stand on and call people out and treat them like they're nothing.

KickVic has done more cruel and vile shit then anyone. This isn't even about Vic's guilt or innocence anymore.
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TurgidTyrant posted...

We call it character testimony, friendo.

That said, I very much doubt you have a very coherent standard of proof, since you got on me for that other topic for "lying" about Hammermor's tweets. I'm still very much confused about that.

Which doesn't apply since none of those were stated in a court of law

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

his actual victims

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Zikten posted...

TurgidTyrant posted...

With all these lines what keeps the chair leg from being behind his foot

if it was a legit picture, everything would be seamless. I just looked at it again and things don't line up. what keeps the chair leg from behind behind his foot? I don't know. but it's not. i'm looking at it right now, and you can tell someone did some editing and mixed different shots together. it's not a single photo. it's multiple pictures cut up

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Also there's no shadow behind Vic on the wall, and his entire body lighting is a dimmer tone than the rest of the picture.

Y'all were really about to get worked over some PHOTOSHOPPED damning evidence

@Dabrikishaw15 addressed both your... "concerns" for the most part.

But for Avant, you got on me and Darmik for citing lawyers with actual knowledge in defamation caselaw because they supposedly didn't know the full context, but here you are accepting what amounts to amateur forensic analysis from a Twitter random you probably never even heard of before now. The hypocrisy is laughable, really.

Strider102 posted...

Vic's foot does look like it's in front of the leg of the chair, at least to me anyway.

I do want to know where his left foot is as it should be visible from that perspective, why everyone else is getting lit up by the light completely but Vic isn't, and why he doesn't have a shadow.

At first glance he looked out of place in the picture but maybe it was just my eyes playing tricks on me.

I'm not going to say it's real or fake, but this picture doesn't prove Vic sexually assaulted anyone.

They're pictures from Michelle showing herself at the time of her spring play. Michelle being the woman who accused Vic of trying to force himself on her in 1989. Note the woman in the yellow dress, she's in both pictures.

The reason people like Avant are crowing about it being photoshopped with little evidence is because they're very eager to discredit it. It's quite transparent.

Strider102 posted...

Because stealing a person's photo and claiming you're that person only to have it discovered that person was lying and merely having it labeled as mischaracterization

That's called a journalistic outfit being diplomatic.

faking a swatting
If I'm remembering correctly Samantha said she'd used old photos because her current door/mailbox showed her address on it, and she didn't want to dox herself. Whether or not you want to believe that is up to you, but I will add that there was a police report filed on the incident and another statement from her.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=108715880299403&id=100034829746906

DDOSing a man's underage daughter

Not familiar with that one. You got a source?

telling someone you "hope they get raped" or "you should kill yourself"

Not even remotely what Amanda Winn Lee said. She said - and I quote - "You poor stupid girl. I hope when it happens to you (and it will if it hasnt already) that you find the kindness and compassion that you lack towards the victims right now." Tell me where it says she hopes she gets raped.

As for the latter I'm not quite familiar with that one. You got a source?

I think Australia does it better, as the accuser would need a lot of evidence before going against the accused, so in this case Rial, Toye and the others would need to prove that they weren't being malicious.
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Strider102 posted...

Also I have to laugh at the complete fucking hypocrisy of the situation. KickVicers get all there information from a forum which has already shown by stealing someone's pictures is not a place that is credible, it's irrelevant if it happened once or 100 times. One time is too many and a huge red flag as to validity of everything. "But it got removed!" Irrelevant. If anyone from the Vic side did anything like that people would be foaming at the mouth questioning their credibility.

But if anyone on Vic's side does the same they act like they have some moral high ground to stand on and call people out and treat them like they're nothing.

KickVic has done more cruel and vile shit then anyone. This isn't even about Vic's guilt or innocence anymore.

I get my information from places like ResetERA as well as occasionally people I follow on Twitter. Only recently started following PULL on this - that's how I got the initial tweets about the LCA phone call.

Also your whinging about "double standards" does nothing for me. As does your assertion that KickVic has done "more cruel and vile shit than anyone", because really that's mostly you showing that you've locked yourself up in an echo chamber. So I'm not inclined to dignify it.

Revelation34 posted...

Which doesn't apply since none of those were stated in a court of law

True, none of them are in the defamation lawsuit or in any other pending lawsuit at the moment. Or were you suggesting they sue Vic himself?

LightningAce11 posted...

I think Australia does it better, as the accuser would need a lot of evidence before going against the accused, so in this case Rial, Toye and the others would need to prove that they weren't being malicious.

Except Rial, Toye, and others aren't the ones filing the defamation lawsuit. Vic is. Rial, Toye and others came out with public accusations against Vic, along with several other people who did so before and after them. Vic in response filed a defamation suit against Rial, Toye and others. This is why lawyers commenting on the petition and other aspects have stated that the burden of proving falsity rests with Vic - because he is the plaintiff, and the burden of proving falsity rests with him.

TurgidTyrant posted...

I get my information from places like ResetERA

TurgidTyrant posted...

because really that's mostly you showing that you've locked yourself up in an echo chamber.

Well that explains a lot.
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