Board 8 > Avengers: Endgame Mafia Topic 3

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Why do you think Sultan is town?

I think the push on him has used faulty logic, and he hasnt done anything particularly scummy. His argument against Red is also quite valid, and him being lambasted for it is unfair, in my opinion.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Why do you think Sultan is town?

I think the push on him has used faulty logic, and he hasnt done anything particularly scummy. His argument against Red is also quite valid, and him being lambasted for it is unfair, in my opinion.

Faulty logic from whom?

Sultan how do you feel about Han?
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Because he has 3 votes on him, all that does is handwaive all 3 at the same time.

And I also note you said "faulty" logic, not "scummy" logic. What is your read of the people on Sultan?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hell.

Yes.

##unvote: marth
##vote: HB

Nobody has filled the role of "under the radar" better than Hb so far. He has been around but has done little to take note of.

I believe Marth is more likely to be Scum than not but I'm not sure pressure does anything there at the moment.

(Will Ulti follow me onto Hb?)

WHAT SAY YOU HB thoughts on everyone please also are you Scum?

Congrats, you caught me, Im scum. :^)

Anyway, I subscribe to the theory that Red and Ulti are both scum, and a safe, non-dangerous vote would fall upon one of them.

Marth hasnt made an impression upon me at all.

My vote is on Puns right now because of his flip-flopping. At the start, he was pushing people away from Ulti-Red and onto you, and now hes pushing towards Ulti and following your orders. It just worries me.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

And I also note you said "faulty" logic, not "scummy" logic. What is your read of the people on Sultan?

I feel fairly certain Cam is town, at least. Hes acting far different than how he played last game, where he was scum and got caught.
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Scare hasnt played a whole lot, which is... kinda out of character for him. Scares generally a strong player and his relative absence for this game is weird. Even Scum Scare was more engaged with the game than this.
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Marth, again, no real impressions on him.
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Hb did sound a little too nodontdothat for a while. But he has said more than I at first remembered. Looking back
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I think Cam is town and Marth is scum. I think there's a decent chance of a scum between Scare and Sultan, but I don't think it's both.

I am completely exasperated reading one page.

UltimaterializerX posted...

To say I was happy when I got my role PM is an understatement!

BECAUSE I AM THANOS, AND I AM TOWN MILLER. BRING IT, BITCHES.

I'm sorry, seriously, why aren't we "going for the head" here? Thanos, seriously? There is NO reason that anyone claiming Thanos should be alive. Based on meta ALONE. Why in the world would Thanos be a Town Miller? And I even tried playing devil's advocate with myself thinking that MAYBE he is 2018 Thanos and the mafia is 2014 Black Order BUT even then would the flavor trap tell Ulti he is Thanos and not mention he is 2018 Thanos? But even 2018 Thanos already committed the snap and then destroyed the lives of the heroes when he destroyed the stones. I am completely besides myself I really am.
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Also, my feeling on the Marth lynch is that there's a fair possibility everyone on his lynch (which does include Cam, again) is town.

Anyways I have to get going to work.

Actually before I head out the door

##Vote: Marth

We got some answers from Hb about his thought processes. I still want some answers from him.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Crescent, you called the Marth thing a train. Didnt someone else call this a train as well? Or was it just you?

I called it a train. But it was more a comment directed at you voting for someone gaining steam to pull yourself out of the trench.
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with that said, I just finished re-reading Marth.

He's not trying. He even admitted it and even dared us to lynch him for it if we can't wait till day 2 for him to do anything of substance.

He buddied up to Cam then Cam went after him and he unbuddied yet then buddied up again. Them knowing each other from MU is throwing me a bit.

He never really delves deep into Sultan except for his voting patterns which is extremely lazy and could be said about anyone. Shit, my voting patterns are atrocious this game so far. But more to the point all he says is "voting paterns".

As for Ulti, he votes him immediately and then says its just a meme at this point but doesn't ever speak about Ulti just refers to normal miller etiquette.

Also randomly mentions Han, but for what reason, i'm not sure.

He's not scum hunting, he doesn't care, he's all but admitted it. I haven't found one redeeming quality to his posts today, I can't justify him being town at all.

Lets do this.

##Vote: Marth
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I have finished page two and I currently have had enough.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh and red, how do you know I didn't outright lie about the miller claim to get ahead of the whole "Ulti gets tunneled on day one every game" meta? You know me. I love making entire games about myself when I'm town with insane plays and try to skate as inactive scum. Good town players, like me, lie well to catch scum all the time. It's one of my favorite strategies.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Lynch all liars.

Red already pointed this out but still, *tilts head*

UltimaterializerX posted...

The only thing in my PM suggesting multiple time lines and such is being present day Thanos, but all this matter-of-fact chatter about "which Thanos" from red completely reeks of scum knowing something about the setup. I would not be surprised if the Avengers themselves are the actual mafia team in this game, or something equally weird, just based on red's slip.

No, wrong, I don't want to break rule 5 on the "How you don't play" list but I have significant reason to believe this isn't correct. It mentioned what time line my character was from and he wasn't featured in the time travel segment of the movie.

red13n posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

I would not be surprised if the Avengers themselves are the actual mafia team in this game, or something equally weird, just based on red's slip.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Town-aligned because in a roundabout way I'm their motivation to do what needs to be done.

Ulti with more self-contradiction.

That's too much contradiction. This whole thing is stupid and I'm not letting Thanos live.

##Vote: Ulti
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Obellisk posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Crescent, you called the Marth thing a train. Didnt someone else call this a train as well? Or was it just you?

I called it a train. But it was more a comment directed at you voting for someone gaining steam to pull yourself out of the trench.

Okay it was you and CM. Im not sure you guys know what a train is. Also that is a poor characterization of my vote that you apparently agree with since youre now voting for the guy.

There may have only been 2 votes on marth at the time however he was in many mouths, i consider that a train getting ready to leave the station and if you are trying to find a safe place to put your vote to pull yourself out of contention, id say you get on the train before it leaves the station, wouldn't you?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I did say I would have voted earlier but phones arent allowed at work. Dont forget that part. On lunch break now thankfully.

I like to show up to the station super early myself ;)
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turbopuns3 posted...

does anyone know at what point Ulti moved his vote from red to corrik?

When me and Han called him out for defending me
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Is ed actually playing the same game as everyone else?

I'm playing the same game two topics behind. Things could have changed significantly since I started reading. Idk, I haven't checked. Point is I forgot the game was going on until I was tagged and my boss isn't in today so I'm trying to get as much reading done as I can before I have to go home. Point number two is two pages in and I want to kill Thanos (well, you) one because of flavor and two because of contradiction. If things change in the next 22 pages I'll let you know.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Frankly Im not so sure the Sultan push is a good idea.

Who's one player you have any sort of real read on?

Im gonna be honest, going with Ulti and/or Red is frankly the super safe pic but... as Ive said before, If given the option to lynch anyone, Id probably go Puns. The guy just hasnt seen as genuine to me.

Why is red safe at all? I have no reason to think he is scum beyond him being a pair with Ulti. What is so safe about his Lynch?
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I believe Ulti is pulling a suicide stunt again, and think of who would benefit from an Ulti suicide. Red is the clear option for this.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Red's remark about how his own flavor suggests Thanos should be dead makes no sense because either

A) Ulti actually is Thanos, or

B) Thanos is on a safe list

I can't imagine a scenario where red has a legitimate flavor gotcha on Ulti

I like your logic here, but the main point either way is Nana is known as a good host. I have a lot of faith he would not put a role/flavor in a game that can just be auto countered by flavor in someone elses role PM. Its what Reds play so bizarre.

Or as I like to put it: Lie.

Red's argument is hogwash. And it is was below his level of play. Town Red having reasoning that asinine is not exactly kosher. That is why it is likelier red is a scum pair with you. He was using some fabricated reasoning to be on you as early as possible once you suicided with your claim.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Obellisk posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Crescent, you called the Marth thing a train. Didnt someone else call this a train as well? Or was it just you?

I called it a train. But it was more a comment directed at you voting for someone gaining steam to pull yourself out of the trench.

Okay it was you and CM. Im not sure you guys know what a train is. Also that is a poor characterization of my vote that you apparently agree with since youre now voting for the guy.

Except I never did anything of the sort.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Should red fully claim might be a stupid question but he will probably die anyways if town ( he could just be scum) beacuse he is basically claiming power right? Or am i still being inexperienced and sound stupid here?

I like claims!
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Hbthebattle posted...

I believe Ulti is pulling a suicide stunt again,

whats the purpose.
he was let back in last game, got scum and was taken out early after barely even being available to play.
gets into a second game, roles scum and then suicides himself likely to get lynched day one and for what? What a waste of time.

Arguments of "I think Ulti is suiciding" just come across as insincere.
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Well corrik thars honestly the only way i will believe red is town to be honest
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Sultan, what are you thoughts on Han?
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##vote:red
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Is ed actually playing the same game as everyone else?

I mean, he is right but the question is did he just find the first train to jump on in the first couple pages because he doesn't intend on actually reading the game or wants to appear that he did his due diligence.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I believe Ulti is pulling a suicide stunt again, and think of who would benefit from an Ulti suicide. Red is the clear option for this.

This. Red is very aggressive. In page 2 alone he has told two separate people to basically get in line. He also does this:

red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

When Ulti flips scum, we look at red tbqh.

Heads up this is a bad statement. Everyone knows I don't bus.

Im not a fan of when people do things like this. There is no guarantee that youll play the same way twice.

To devil's advocate though he spends a lot of time talking about his role PM mentioning Thanos is dead and he talks a lot about the timeline stuff which I'm not sure he would know if he didn't have a town PM.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I believe Ulti is pulling a suicide stunt again, and think of who would benefit from an Ulti suicide. Red is the clear option for this.

So how is red a safe Lynch if he is only scum via Ulti? That means ulti is a safe Lynch and red only is once Ulti flips scum.
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He really emphasizes the don't bus thing actually.

red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Reminder just because ulti is scum doesn't mean red isn't also.

Corrik this is as crazy as the first time you said it. I don't bus. Period.

It hurts my ego to try for anything other than complete and total domination.

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eaedwards6400 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I believe Ulti is pulling a suicide stunt again, and think of who would benefit from an Ulti suicide. Red is the clear option for this.

This. Red is very aggressive. In page 2 alone he has told two separate people to basically get in line. He also does this:

red13n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

When Ulti flips scum, we look at red tbqh.

Heads up this is a bad statement. Everyone knows I don't bus.

Im not a fan of when people do things like this. There is no guarantee that youll play the same way twice.

To devil's advocate though he spends a lot of time talking about his role PM mentioning Thanos is dead and he talks a lot about the timeline stuff which I'm not sure he would know if he didn't have a town PM.

Well, scum probably has example town PM's and a safelist. The argument really doesn't make sense there, eaed. Red's argument was absolutely terrible from the start.
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Corrik7 posted...

Well, scum probably has example town PM's and a safelist. The argument really doesn't make sense there, eaed. Red's argument was absolutely terrible from the start.

My immediate thought was the same but like I said mine is is a similar structure so it made me think differently.
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If scum is who I think it is they would at least know timelines/periods matter to flavor as well
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Red would never sign on to a "suicide Ulti" plan.

Interesting to see all the votes come for Marth now! Let's kill him and Hb and then see what that means for the people who are pushing marth now
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Red would never sign on to a "suicide Ulti" plan.

Not like that would stop Ulti

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Red would never sign on to a "suicide Ulti" plan.

Interesting to see all the votes come for Marth now! Let's kill him and Hb and then see what that means for the people who are pushing marth now

Nobody would sign on to the plan. Weak defense of red there, Han.
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So we got Han defending Red and Scare with terrible reasoning this game. That is good to note.
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One more thing on the red thing that I overlooked.

red13n posted...

If you wanted the longer answer that made me initially suspect. I didn't really feel like rehashing it, but my flavor is very dedicated to the fact that baseline Thanos is dead.

Mind lightbulb just clicked to why this is so bad. Thanos can be alive and be a role in the game. Mafia don't care, the thing I liked about him is the talk about the present day vs X stuff. Nevertheless, I am still not a fan of the Thanos of it all plus the contradictions Ulti did make.
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It's not defending red, it's shutting down a stupid line of thinking.
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So what I got if Ulti is scum, Red is scum. Han is Town.

But if Ulti is town, it makes the read on Red Null, but Han has defended Red and Scare poorly. Han could then be scum (possibly) since Ulti isn't scum which could lead to a link with Red and/or scare being scum with him.

Everything goes through Ulti though.
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