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Tyranthraxus posted...

Mobile/PC fixes all of the bugs from the SNES version + adds new features while adding all of the extra GBA content but without the horrible audio of the GBA version.

Mobile ruined the character sprites, and the "extra GBA content" activity detracts from the game. Original is still best.
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My own ranking for the first 10 games:

7 > 4 > 10 > 6 > 9 > 1 >> 5 > 3 >>>> 2 > 8
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VIII is too low

Garbage list
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Only played 6 of the pre-PSX ones.

6 is downright one of the best RPGs ever made.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

VIII is too low

Garbage list

Its the only game that took me multiple tries to beat because I got incredibly bored with it near the start of disc 3 every time. Had to force myself forward to finally complete it.

Its all opinion-based, so it shouldnt upset you. Your list is just as valid as anyone elses.
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The Popo posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

VIII is too low

Garbage list

Its the only game that took me multiple tries to beat because I got incredibly bored with it near the start of disc 3 every time. Had to force myself forward to finally complete it.

Its all opinion-based, so it shouldnt upset you. Your list is just as valid as anyone elses.

everything falls apart at disk 3 so i dont blame you
the first 2 disks are solid. the last 2 disks are garbage
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Mobile/PC fixes all of the bugs from the SNES version + adds new features while adding all of the extra GBA content but without the horrible audio of the GBA version.

Mobile ruined the character sprites, and the "extra GBA content" activity detracts from the game. Original is still best.

Original is buggy as shit and nostalgia is a helluva drug. People who never played the original won't give a shit about the sprites which don't even look bad, just different.

They probably would care that cyan is useless, accuracy/blindness does nothing, no autobattle, and the permanently game breaking sketch glitch which are all fixed in the mobile version.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

People who never played the original won't give a s*** about the sprites which don't even look bad, just different.

Nah, the bizarre disconnect of hd sprites and original backgrounds is just fucking hideous.

Tyranthraxus posted...

They probably would care that cyan is useless

Point, obviously.

Tyranthraxus posted...

accuracy/blindness does nothing

No one notices this on their first play, and it's not like it makes the game any easier or harder.

Tyranthraxus posted...

no autobattle

1. No one gives a shit about this.
2. Hold A if you want auto battle.

Tyranthraxus posted...

permanently game breaking sketch glitch

Which requires a specific set of circumstances that literally no one encounters by accident, and only exists in a fraction of carts to begin with.

Original is objectively best.
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the GBA is objectively best so long as you apply the patches to it that fix its music and coloring to be like the snes version
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Conflict posted...

Also I don't know why Trevorblack is still trying to argue that the glitchy SNES version of 6 is the best version

Literally the only thing it has over GBA is music. Nothing else. Dialogue, weapon, item and magic translations are horrid, it literally has over 100 glitches and you can't even see stat improvements buying weapons at the shop. And people grossly exaggerate how bad the GBA music is anyway

I prefer the SNES version actually. The other one isnt bad though
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WhatHappened posted...

Good: 5,6
Mediocre: 3,1
Bad: 2,4

Lol at 4 being bad
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Conflict posted...

Also I don't know why Trevorblack is still trying to argue that the glitchy SNES version of 6 is the best version

Literally the only thing it has over GBA is music. Nothing else. Dialogue, weapon, item and magic translations are horrid, it literally has over 100 glitches and you can't even see stat improvements buying weapons at the shop. And people grossly exaggerate how bad the GBA music is anyway

maybe people exaggerate but music still sounds bad in comparison. vi has a great ost and i wouldn't want the gba version to be someones first experience with it. also the visuals are worse. game looks washed out and has a lower resolution.

best option is snes version with mods.
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@Frogles posted...

Conflict posted...

Also I don't know why Trevorblack is still trying to argue that the glitchy SNES version of 6 is the best version

Literally the only thing it has over GBA is music. Nothing else. Dialogue, weapon, item and magic translations are horrid, it literally has over 100 glitches and you can't even see stat improvements buying weapons at the shop. And people grossly exaggerate how bad the GBA music is anyway

maybe people exaggerate but music still sounds bad in comparison. vi has a great ost and i wouldn't want the gba version to be someones first experience with it. also the visuals are worse. game looks washed out and has a lower resolution.

best option is snes version with mods.

no the best version is the GBA version with mods
you can fix the sound and graphic quality really easily with some mods for the GBA version to make them just like the snes officially making it better than the snes version because it has more content added as while as having the base game
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yusiko posted...

the GBA is objectively best

The GBA version couldn't even get it's own "bonus content" right.

Conflict posted...

Dialogue

Better on SNES, more concise, better localized.

Conflict posted...

weapon, item and magic translations are horrid

There's literally nothing wrong with any of these, and if this is your first thought in what makes the GBA version better then you really don't have a valid argument.

Conflict posted...

it literally has over 100 glitches

That either no one notices or no one encounters unless you're deliberately using them as exploits.

Conflict posted...

you can't even see stat improvements buying weapons at the shop

This is a minor complaint at worst. You see the most important aspect, being power or defense improvement.

Conflict posted...

And people grossly exaggerate how bad the GBA music is anyway

It's literally inaudible garbage.

SNES is objectively best. Best music and sound, best translation/localization, Gau isn't watered down and useless, and it doesn't have terrible "bonus" content shoehorned in that can't even get the weapon tags right.
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FF6 is better than FF7 imo

FF4 was amazing for its time
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CanuckCowboy posted...

WhatHappened posted...

Good: 5,6
Mediocre: 3,1
Bad: 2,4

Lol at 4 being bad

Everything about 4 was great.

Interesting plot-twisty story
First FF with ATB
Amazing OST
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Everyone shits on FFVI on IOS yet its great....
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Conflict posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Interesting plot-twisty story

Interesting in the sense that a lot of it made 0 sense

FF4 had great characters but the plot itself felt lazy and unrefined

Not for like 1992
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ff2 as much as i hated it was an early prototype for what 4 would eventually be with a more complex story than 1 and a rotating cast of characters
4 just did it better and without all the crap that bogged down 2

4 was great for its time but it didnt age as well as 6 did
7 was also revolutionary for its time but now if a modern gamer played it for the first time they would feel like the were playing something they already played because while ff7 may have been unique when it was new. a lot of games since have copies the formula and so have games copied and improved the formula 4 made
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yusiko posted...

@Frogles posted...

Conflict posted...

Also I don't know why Trevorblack is still trying to argue that the glitchy SNES version of 6 is the best version

Literally the only thing it has over GBA is music. Nothing else. Dialogue, weapon, item and magic translations are horrid, it literally has over 100 glitches and you can't even see stat improvements buying weapons at the shop. And people grossly exaggerate how bad the GBA music is anyway

maybe people exaggerate but music still sounds bad in comparison. vi has a great ost and i wouldn't want the gba version to be someones first experience with it. also the visuals are worse. game looks washed out and has a lower resolution.

best option is snes version with mods.

no the best version is the GBA version with mods
you can fix the sound and graphic quality really easily with some mods for the GBA version to make them just like the snes officially making it better than the snes version because it has more content added as while as having the base game

still looks and sounds worse after patches. there's still like this background hissing noise in the gba version after patch and game still has a lower res, which will look way worse when blown up.

and the extra gba content stinks. snes version with mod fixes is the best vanilla experience. snes with brave new world is the best overall experience.
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BNW is hacky bullshit and that's like saying FF Tactics 1.3 is the best version of FF Tactics.

Mobile/PC restores all the SNES music, fixes all the bugs from SNES and GBA, uncensored everything, restores new life to Cyan, fixes the GBA content, and adds several QOL improvements.
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Conflict posted...

Yeah that 1 point of power/defense improvement while not being able to notice decreases in literally anything else, leading you to basically wasting gil unless you rewind on an emulator

More like 5-10 points of power/defense, combined with the fact that within a few hours you have multiples of most store bought goods that it's moot. By WoR you aren't getting anything of note from shops, so this is a complete nonissue for the entire game.

Conflict posted...

Lol there's nothing 'more concise' about it

Literally the entire thing is more concise based solely on the limited space for english text.

Conflict posted...

it's riddled with mistranslations

No it isn't.

Conflict posted...

It's better because the GBA version doesn't have mistranslations and they're given proper names

Different names, not "proper." Again, this is entirely irrelevant.

Conflict posted...

That's a pretty funny hyperbole when there's a select number of compositions that are actually better on GBA like the Zozo theme

Literally the second worst track in the game. Also factually wrong, it sounds better on SNES.

Conflict posted...

Like, there's literally 0 incentive to play a game with worse translations, more glitches and less content.

There's every incentive to play the original because its translation and localization are objectively better, no one is even aware of the glitches unless they look them up to exploit them, and it didn't shoehorn in terrible "content" that actively detracts from the game.
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Conflict posted...

Mobile also has the ugliest sprites in the history of mankind which is enough to avoid playing it

It's more the fault of the platform than anything.

You can either make sprites in a trillion resolutions or make them vector and be done at the expense of thick outlines and a cardboard cutout look.
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Conflict posted...

Mobile also has the ugliest sprites in the history of mankind which is enough to avoid playing it

They were made by the same fucking artist who made the original sprites and modified to look like the original amano artwork minus Terra got to keep her green hair.
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DevsBro posted...

Conflict posted...

Mobile also has the ugliest sprites in the history of mankind which is enough to avoid playing it

It's more the fault of the platform than anything.

You can either make sprites in a trillion resolutions or make them vector and be done at the expense of thick outlines and a cardboard cutout look.

They're not actually vectors. You also don't make a trillion resolutions. You make a single high resolution Sprite sheet and downsize it as appropriate to the display.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

DevsBro posted...

Conflict posted...

Mobile also has the ugliest sprites in the history of mankind which is enough to avoid playing it

It's more the fault of the platform than anything.

You can either make sprites in a trillion resolutions or make them vector and be done at the expense of thick outlines and a cardboard cutout look.

They're not actually vectors. You also don't make a trillion resolutions. You make a single high resolution Sprite sheet and downsize it as appropriate to the display.

Or vice-verse. Looks awful though.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

BNW is hacky bullshit and that's like saying FF Tactics 1.3 is the best version of FF Tactics

"hacky bullshit" is not a real criticism and i don't know what you could even be talking about.

i'm not sure what you mean by your fft analog. can a mod not be better than the base game or are you implying that bnw is a difficulty mod in the vein of fft 1.3? you clearly have not played it.

Tyranthraxus posted...

They were made by the same fucking artist who made the original sprites and modified to look like the original amano artwork minus Terra got to keep her green hair.

it doesn't matter who made them if they look like shit. they stick out like a sore thumb in pretty much every scene.
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I dunno, all this stuff is beyond nitpick to me.

This version has 2 seconds of loading
That version has lower audio fidelity

Man.
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^^the ps1 versions have 5-10 seconds of loading before and after every battle and while opening and closing the menu. bringing that up doesn't seem like a valid criticism to you?
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Frogles posted...

"hacky bullshit" is not a real criticism and i don't know what you could even be talking about.

i'm not sure what you mean by your fft analog. can a mod not be better than the base game or are you implying that bnw is a difficulty mod in the vein of fft 1.3? you clearly have not played it.

Obviously a mod can be better than the base game and it's often the case with older games, such as TOEE+COE / Planescape: Torment restored, etc.

It's not really the case with BNW which just slaps a bunch of stupid ass arbitrary changes without rhyme or reason. Like imagine a mod for FF7 where some characters are just arbitrarily locked out of Materia.

Frogles posted...

it doesn't matter who made them if they look like shit. they stick out like a sore thumb in pretty much every scene.

IYO

They look great to me one you see them in motion.

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and you havent seen nitpicking until you see ff5 nitpicking
oh my god you made lenna a warrior? dont you know she does 2 HP less damage then galuf in that role? clearly she is complete trash as a warrior how could you ruin her like that?

basically everyone has minor stat differences but not large enough to let it matter but a lot of ff5 fans think its an abomination to pick a job that their stats arent perfectly aligned for
ff12 had the same problem
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yusiko posted...

and you havent seen nitpicking until you see ff5 nitpicking
oh my god you made lenna a warrior? dont you know she does 2 HP less damage then galuf in that role? clearly she is complete trash as a warrior how could you ruin her like that?

basically everyone has minor stat differences but not large enough to let it matter but a lot of ff5 fans thing its an abomination to pick a job that their stats arent perfectly aligned for
ff12 had the same problem

Arguing about jobs in FF5 has always been stupid since end game everyone goes jobless or mime.
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Frogles posted...

^^the ps1 versions have 5-10 seconds of loading before and after every battle and while opening and closing the menu. bringing that up doesn't seem like a valid criticism to you?

Valid, sure, but I've played the PS1 version and it's really not bad.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

They look great to me one you see them in motion.

I'm sorry, man, but that really does look horrible.
It looks like a bootleg you would find in a mainland Asia black market.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

It's not really the case with BNW which just slaps a bunch of stupid ass arbitrary changes without rhyme or reason. Like imagine a mod for FF7 where some characters are just arbitrarily locked out of Materia.

characters are restricted to certain espers to create diversity in the cast. you're calling it arbitrary to give strago a more defined role as a mage or cyan a warrior/tank but it seems like a no brainer to me and probably to everybody else that's ever played ff vi. a ton of work has gone into this and they did a lot more than just make some "arbitrary" changes. they've fixed all the major bugs and fix any others that pop up. all the enemies/formations and boss battles have been rebalanced. the game was retranslated. there's an esper bank that lets you store and use points to get stat boosts/spells so you don't have to micromanage espers before battles (you also don't get absurdly op when you actually pay attention to your stats because the game was designed around this).

i really dont understand why you're shitting on the mod. there's so much good stuff there and you clearly haven't played it.
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