Board 8 > Is Super Mario World 2: Yoshis island a mainline Mario Game?

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burritosatan
05/16/19 5:59:46 PM
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Regardless of the fact it's the best mario game ever made - Results (37 votes)
Yes
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No
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I mean it's only THE CHRONOLOGICAL FIRDT GAME IN THE ENTIRE MARIO FRANCHISE
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MetalmindStats
05/16/19 6:02:09 PM
#2:


How ironic that the best Mario game isn't even a (mainline) Mario game.
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hylianknight3
05/16/19 6:13:40 PM
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Yes, its both.
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LeonhartFour
05/16/19 6:14:19 PM
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burritosatan posted...
Regardless of the fact it's the best mario game ever made


MetalmindStats posted...
How ironic that the best Mario game isn't even a (mainline) Mario game.


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Nanis23
05/16/19 6:17:18 PM
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Lopen
05/16/19 6:31:40 PM
#6:


Chronology is pretty irrelevant for this discussion

Crisis Core is chronologically before Final Fantasy VII but it's obviously not a mainline FF game. This wouldn't even be a discussion if it didn't say "Super Mario World 2" in the title. No one claims Yoshi's Story is mainline.
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WazzupGenius00
05/16/19 6:32:39 PM
#7:


In Japan it is only called "Yossy Island" with no SMW2 moniker

It is not a mainline Mario game, it's a Yoshi game
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Whiskey_Nick
05/16/19 6:53:28 PM
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https://imgur.com/TW7iOZa
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ninkendo
05/16/19 6:54:27 PM
#9:


In the past I would have said yes, but since Yoshi has spun off into its own series I would now say no
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burritosatan
05/16/19 6:56:24 PM
#10:


Whiskey_Nick posted...
https://imgur.com/TW7iOZa


That didnt answer the question other than that persons idea of what makes it mainline though

I need word from Nintendo on this
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foolm0r0n
05/16/19 6:58:30 PM
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Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction
Yoshi games are another straight line going in another direction

They intersect at 1 point, which is Yoshi's Island
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burritosatan
05/16/19 7:01:04 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction
Yoshi games are another straight line going in another direction

They intersect at 1 point, which is Yoshi's Island


So sure it created a whole new timeline, like a fork in the road, but its still in the main timeline
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:09:59 PM
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burritosatan posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction
Yoshi games are another straight line going in another direction

They intersect at 1 point, which is Yoshi's Island


So sure it created a whole new timeline, like a fork in the road, but its still in the main timeline


So you consider Crisis Core a mainline Final Fantasy?
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foolm0r0n
05/16/19 7:13:27 PM
#14:


Crisis Core is a mainline FF7 game
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burritosatan
05/16/19 7:14:23 PM
#15:


StealThisSheen posted...
burritosatan posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction
Yoshi games are another straight line going in another direction

They intersect at 1 point, which is Yoshi's Island


So sure it created a whole new timeline, like a fork in the road, but its still in the main timeline


So you consider Crisis Core a mainline Final Fantasy?


Completely different situation
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:15:05 PM
#16:


burritosatan posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
burritosatan posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction
Yoshi games are another straight line going in another direction

They intersect at 1 point, which is Yoshi's Island


So sure it created a whole new timeline, like a fork in the road, but its still in the main timeline


So you consider Crisis Core a mainline Final Fantasy?


Completely different situation


Howso
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TomNook
05/16/19 7:19:01 PM
#17:


It's not a main Mario game and it doesn't play like one either. People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games.
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:19:32 PM
#18:


StealThisSheen posted...
burritosatan posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
burritosatan posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction
Yoshi games are another straight line going in another direction

They intersect at 1 point, which is Yoshi's Island


So sure it created a whole new timeline, like a fork in the road, but its still in the main timeline


So you consider Crisis Core a mainline Final Fantasy?


Completely different situation


Howso


Crisis Core is a spinoff from a single game, FF7. Its entire existence is a reaction to its parent game.

Yoshis Island stands on its own, and also serves as the beginning of the continuous narrative that runs through all Mario games.
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swordz9
05/16/19 7:21:26 PM
#19:


Its a Yoshi game featuring Mario
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Leonhart4
05/16/19 7:21:59 PM
#20:


"Continuous narrative" of the Mario games

Right
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:22:44 PM
#21:


I mean I think saying Mario games have a "continuous" narrative is very, very generous bordering on making stuff up

Anyhoo I might have said yes before the Yoshi series took off, but that and the fact that the game wasn't even originally called "Super Mario World 2" makes me say no.

The Yoshi series and Mario series have overlap but they are not the same series.
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:23:22 PM
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Leonhart4 posted...
"Continuous narrative" of the Mario games

Right


Its by no means a super heavy narrative, but it features the same characters in the same setting.
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Leonhart4
05/16/19 7:24:18 PM
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The setting isn't consistent at all.
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:24:45 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I mean I think saying Mario games have a "continuous" narrative is very, very generous bordering on making stuff up

Anyhoo I might have said yes before the Yoshi series took off, but that and the fact that the game wasn't even originally called "Super Mario World 2" makes me say no.

The Yoshi series and Mario series have overlap but they are not the same series.


Yoshis Island is the beginning of both series though. It is mainline to both of them.
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burritosatan
05/16/19 7:24:56 PM
#25:


Leonhart4 posted...
The setting isn't consistent at all.


Its mario and hes the most Important character in the game. That's as consistent as mario games get
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:25:22 PM
#26:


Leonhart4 posted...
The setting isn't consistent at all.


Its as consistent a setting as Hyrule.
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foolm0r0n
05/16/19 7:25:32 PM
#27:


TomNook posted...
It's not a main Mario game and it doesn't play like one either. People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games.

I love Mario games more than you and Yoshi's Island is the best one
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PrinceOfKoopas
05/16/19 7:25:41 PM
#28:


It's the start of the Mario timeline, but it's the start of the Yoshi series.

And yeah, if it were a Mario game, it'd be by far the best.
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:26:29 PM
#29:


redrocket posted...
Leonhart4 posted...
"Continuous narrative" of the Mario games

Right


Its by no means a super heavy narrative, but it features the same characters in the same setting.


I mean so do all the sports and Party games

Are you saying Mario and Bowser getting together for golf on the weekends is mainline
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TomNook
05/16/19 7:27:00 PM
#30:


foolm0r0n posted...
love Mario games more than you and Yoshi's Island is the best one

Take a picture to prove it
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foolm0r0n
05/16/19 7:28:02 PM
#31:


TomNook posted...
Take a picture to prove it

You got me this time...
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MetalmindStats
05/16/19 7:29:12 PM
#32:


foolm0r0n posted...
TomNook posted...
It's not a main Mario game and it doesn't play like one either. People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games.

I love Mario games more than you and Yoshi's Island is the best one

This, whether or not it's truly a Mario game (and I still say no).
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:29:31 PM
#33:


And furthermore, if characters and setting is all it takes to be the same line of games, and the Party/Sports games are mainline, then isn't it possible that it's not actually the start of the timeline since Bowser Jr/Baby Bowser and Baby Mario/Luigi/etc. all exist at the same time as the adult versions

You're opening a can of worms, son
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:30:27 PM
#34:


Also there is some fake news being propagated in this thread. While its true it was not called Super Mario World 2 in Japan, it still had Super Mario in the title.
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PrinceOfKoopas
05/16/19 7:30:55 PM
#35:


TomNook posted...
People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games.

...Well... true for me.
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:32:10 PM
#36:


StealThisSheen posted...
redrocket posted...
Leonhart4 posted...
"Continuous narrative" of the Mario games

Right


Its by no means a super heavy narrative, but it features the same characters in the same setting.


I mean so do all the sports and Party games

Are you saying Mario and Bowser getting together for golf on the weekends is mainline


No, because those are different genres. Thats what makes them spinoffs. Yoshis Island is still a platformer.
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:33:55 PM
#37:


redrocket posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
redrocket posted...
Leonhart4 posted...
"Continuous narrative" of the Mario games

Right


Its by no means a super heavy narrative, but it features the same characters in the same setting.


I mean so do all the sports and Party games

Are you saying Mario and Bowser getting together for golf on the weekends is mainline


No, because those are different genres. Thats what makes them spinoffs. Yoshis Island is still a platformer.


You're the one that said all it takes for a "continuous narrative" is the same characters and setting!
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:36:05 PM
#38:


StealThisSheen posted...
redrocket posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
redrocket posted...
Leonhart4 posted...
"Continuous narrative" of the Mario games

Right


Its by no means a super heavy narrative, but it features the same characters in the same setting.


I mean so do all the sports and Party games

Are you saying Mario and Bowser getting together for golf on the weekends is mainline


No, because those are different genres. Thats what makes them spinoffs. Yoshis Island is still a platformer.


You're the one that said all it takes for a "continuous narrative" is the same characters and setting!


Continuous narrative is not the same thing as mainline. It is one element that makes a game mainline. A game can still be part of the main canon narrative while at the same time being a spinoff (party/sports/rpgs etc.)
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:38:22 PM
#39:


So then the main canon narrative is that Mario and Baby Mario exist in the same place?
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:43:39 PM
#40:


Baby Mario may or may not exist at the same place and time as adult Mario. Theres enough magic in this universe to account for weird shenanigans like that. In any case party and sports games fit into the narrative in a broad strokes sense. Youre not supposed to pick those games apart with a fine tooth comb.
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StealThisSheen
05/16/19 7:45:26 PM
#41:


Actually, serious question since I legit don't know

Do any of the main Super Mario games directly reference Yoshi's Island at all? The Yoshi games all do, but is there any instance in the other games?
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redrocket
05/16/19 7:51:18 PM
#42:


Graphical and musical references yes, but I cant think of any direct story references. Of course, direct story references to any previous games are almost nonexistent in the Mario series anyway.
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foolm0r0n
05/16/19 7:53:34 PM
#43:


There's an easter egg in Galaxy 2 where you can see a Yoshi in the background
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PrinceOfKoopas
05/16/19 8:10:41 PM
#44:


StealThisSheen posted...
Actually, serious question since I legit don't know

Do any of the main Super Mario games directly reference Yoshi's Island at all? The Yoshi games all do, but is there any instance in the other games?

Main games? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Paper Mario has Raphael the Raven!

And I have a running unarticulated theory that Super Mario Bros. 2 USA is based on Mario having a PTSD nightmare over Yoshi's Island.
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Ngamer64
05/16/19 8:16:07 PM
#45:


Yes.

But it's not one of the Top Ten Mainline Console Super Mario Games, so Nick was right to exclude it.


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Haste_2
05/16/19 9:21:43 PM
#46:


You could make a case for it being in the Mario series. Mario is on Yoshi's back the whole time. Consider this: if Mario were riding on Yoshi 100% of the time in Super Mario World, would it still be a Mario game? I'm curious to see what you guys think.

Yoshi's Island is either part of the Yoshi series or part of the Mario series. Not both. Or maybe it could be both?

Yoshi's Island is my favorite 2D Mario game....but yeah, I'm also in the boat where I don't think any of the Mario games are that fun, even though they are objectively excellent. I guess I'm more of a Metroid/MMX (and DKC2) guy when it comes to SNES platformers.

p.s. Yoshi's Island rules when it comes to boss fights. If I ever win the Guru contest, I would require you all to nominate Burt the Bashful!
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MetalmindStats
05/16/19 9:26:33 PM
#47:


Haste_2 posted...
Consider this: if Mario were riding on Yoshi 100% of the time in Super Mario World, would it still be a Mario game? I'm curious to see what you guys think.

Yes. It would still definitively be called a Mario game, pushed as a Mario game, and have Mario as the clear focus.
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_SecretSquirrel
05/17/19 2:13:58 AM
#48:


Yoshi's Island is the best Mario platformer ever, but it's not the best Mario game ever. And it certainly is mainline.
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Waluigi1
05/17/19 8:09:01 AM
#49:


Not it's not a part of the main Super Mario series. It is the first of the Yoshi series though.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 8:22:00 AM
#50:


_SecretSquirrel posted...
Yoshi's Island is the best Mario platformer ever, but it's not the best Mario game ever. And it certainly is mainline.


There are main mario games that arent platformers?
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