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burritosatan 05/16/19 5:59:46 PM #1: |
Regardless of the fact it's the best mario game ever made - Results (37 votes)
Yes
35.14% (13 votes)
13
No
64.86% (24 votes)
24
I mean it's only THE CHRONOLOGICAL FIRDT GAME IN THE ENTIRE MARIO FRANCHISE --- Sony has never made a console that has less than 86 Million Sales. Nintendo has 7. ~~ If you come at the King, you best not miss ~~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 05/16/19 6:02:09 PM #2: |
How ironic that the best Mario game isn't even a (mainline) Mario game.
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hylianknight3 05/16/19 6:13:40 PM #3: |
Yes, its both.
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LeonhartFour 05/16/19 6:14:19 PM #4: |
burritosatan posted...
Regardless of the fact it's the best mario game ever made MetalmindStats posted... How ironic that the best Mario game isn't even a (mainline) Mario game. Get out --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 05/16/19 6:17:18 PM #5: |
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Lopen 05/16/19 6:31:40 PM #6: |
Chronology is pretty irrelevant for this discussion
Crisis Core is chronologically before Final Fantasy VII but it's obviously not a mainline FF game. This wouldn't even be a discussion if it didn't say "Super Mario World 2" in the title. No one claims Yoshi's Story is mainline. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 05/16/19 6:32:39 PM #7: |
In Japan it is only called "Yossy Island" with no SMW2 moniker
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Whiskey_Nick 05/16/19 6:53:28 PM #8: |
https://imgur.com/TW7iOZa
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ninkendo 05/16/19 6:54:27 PM #9: |
In the past I would have said yes, but since Yoshi has spun off into its own series I would now say no
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burritosatan 05/16/19 6:56:24 PM #10: |
Whiskey_Nick posted...
https://imgur.com/TW7iOZa That didnt answer the question other than that persons idea of what makes it mainline though I need word from Nintendo on this --- Sony has never made a console that has less than 86 Million Sales. Nintendo has 7. ~~ If you come at the King, you best not miss ~~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/16/19 6:58:30 PM #11: |
Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction
Yoshi games are another straight line going in another direction They intersect at 1 point, which is Yoshi's Island --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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burritosatan 05/16/19 7:01:04 PM #12: |
foolm0r0n posted...
Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction So sure it created a whole new timeline, like a fork in the road, but its still in the main timeline --- Sony has never made a console that has less than 86 Million Sales. Nintendo has 7. ~~ If you come at the King, you best not miss ~~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:09:59 PM #13: |
burritosatan posted...
foolm0r0n posted...Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction So you consider Crisis Core a mainline Final Fantasy? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/16/19 7:13:27 PM #14: |
Crisis Core is a mainline FF7 game
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burritosatan 05/16/19 7:14:23 PM #15: |
StealThisSheen posted...
burritosatan posted...foolm0r0n posted...Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction Completely different situation --- Sony has never made a console that has less than 86 Million Sales. Nintendo has 7. ~~ If you come at the King, you best not miss ~~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:15:05 PM #16: |
burritosatan posted...
StealThisSheen posted...burritosatan posted...foolm0r0n posted...Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction Howso --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook 05/16/19 7:19:01 PM #17: |
It's not a main Mario game and it doesn't play like one either. People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games.
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:19:32 PM #18: |
StealThisSheen posted...
burritosatan posted...StealThisSheen posted...burritosatan posted...foolm0r0n posted...Mainline Mario is one straight line going in one direction Crisis Core is a spinoff from a single game, FF7. Its entire existence is a reaction to its parent game. Yoshis Island stands on its own, and also serves as the beginning of the continuous narrative that runs through all Mario games. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 05/16/19 7:21:26 PM #19: |
Its a Yoshi game featuring Mario
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Leonhart4 05/16/19 7:21:59 PM #20: |
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:22:44 PM #21: |
I mean I think saying Mario games have a "continuous" narrative is very, very generous bordering on making stuff up
Anyhoo I might have said yes before the Yoshi series took off, but that and the fact that the game wasn't even originally called "Super Mario World 2" makes me say no. The Yoshi series and Mario series have overlap but they are not the same series. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:23:22 PM #22: |
Leonhart4 posted...
"Continuous narrative" of the Mario games Its by no means a super heavy narrative, but it features the same characters in the same setting. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 05/16/19 7:24:18 PM #23: |
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:24:45 PM #24: |
StealThisSheen posted...
I mean I think saying Mario games have a "continuous" narrative is very, very generous bordering on making stuff up Yoshis Island is the beginning of both series though. It is mainline to both of them. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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burritosatan 05/16/19 7:24:56 PM #25: |
Leonhart4 posted...
The setting isn't consistent at all. Its mario and hes the most Important character in the game. That's as consistent as mario games get --- Sony has never made a console that has less than 86 Million Sales. Nintendo has 7. ~~ If you come at the King, you best not miss ~~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:25:22 PM #26: |
Leonhart4 posted...
The setting isn't consistent at all. Its as consistent a setting as Hyrule. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/16/19 7:25:32 PM #27: |
TomNook posted...
It's not a main Mario game and it doesn't play like one either. People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games. I love Mario games more than you and Yoshi's Island is the best one --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrinceOfKoopas 05/16/19 7:25:41 PM #28: |
It's the start of the Mario timeline, but it's the start of the Yoshi series.
And yeah, if it were a Mario game, it'd be by far the best. --- For the best videogame commentary story on the Internet (sometimes featuring GameFAQs poll of the days and contest discussion) visit https://www.koopatv.org ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:26:29 PM #29: |
redrocket posted...
Leonhart4 posted..."Continuous narrative" of the Mario games I mean so do all the sports and Party games Are you saying Mario and Bowser getting together for golf on the weekends is mainline --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook 05/16/19 7:27:00 PM #30: |
foolm0r0n posted...
love Mario games more than you and Yoshi's Island is the best one Take a picture to prove it --- Bells, bells, bells! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/16/19 7:28:02 PM #31: |
TomNook posted...
Take a picture to prove it You got me this time... --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 05/16/19 7:29:12 PM #32: |
foolm0r0n posted...
TomNook posted...It's not a main Mario game and it doesn't play like one either. People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games. This, whether or not it's truly a Mario game (and I still say no). --- Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser! You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:29:31 PM #33: |
And furthermore, if characters and setting is all it takes to be the same line of games, and the Party/Sports games are mainline, then isn't it possible that it's not actually the start of the timeline since Bowser Jr/Baby Bowser and Baby Mario/Luigi/etc. all exist at the same time as the adult versions
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:30:27 PM #34: |
Also there is some fake news being propagated in this thread. While its true it was not called Super Mario World 2 in Japan, it still had Super Mario in the title.
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PrinceOfKoopas 05/16/19 7:30:55 PM #35: |
TomNook posted...
People who say it's the best just aren't a big fan of Mario games. ...Well... true for me. --- For the best videogame commentary story on the Internet (sometimes featuring GameFAQs poll of the days and contest discussion) visit https://www.koopatv.org ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:32:10 PM #36: |
StealThisSheen posted...
redrocket posted...Leonhart4 posted..."Continuous narrative" of the Mario games No, because those are different genres. Thats what makes them spinoffs. Yoshis Island is still a platformer. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:33:55 PM #37: |
redrocket posted...
StealThisSheen posted...redrocket posted...Leonhart4 posted..."Continuous narrative" of the Mario games You're the one that said all it takes for a "continuous narrative" is the same characters and setting! --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:36:05 PM #38: |
StealThisSheen posted...
redrocket posted...StealThisSheen posted...redrocket posted...Leonhart4 posted..."Continuous narrative" of the Mario games Continuous narrative is not the same thing as mainline. It is one element that makes a game mainline. A game can still be part of the main canon narrative while at the same time being a spinoff (party/sports/rpgs etc.) --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:38:22 PM #39: |
So then the main canon narrative is that Mario and Baby Mario exist in the same place?
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:43:39 PM #40: |
Baby Mario may or may not exist at the same place and time as adult Mario. Theres enough magic in this universe to account for weird shenanigans like that. In any case party and sports games fit into the narrative in a broad strokes sense. Youre not supposed to pick those games apart with a fine tooth comb.
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StealThisSheen 05/16/19 7:45:26 PM #41: |
Actually, serious question since I legit don't know
Do any of the main Super Mario games directly reference Yoshi's Island at all? The Yoshi games all do, but is there any instance in the other games? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 05/16/19 7:51:18 PM #42: |
Graphical and musical references yes, but I cant think of any direct story references. Of course, direct story references to any previous games are almost nonexistent in the Mario series anyway.
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foolm0r0n 05/16/19 7:53:34 PM #43: |
There's an easter egg in Galaxy 2 where you can see a Yoshi in the background
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PrinceOfKoopas 05/16/19 8:10:41 PM #44: |
StealThisSheen posted...
Actually, serious question since I legit don't know Main games? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh Paper Mario has Raphael the Raven! And I have a running unarticulated theory that Super Mario Bros. 2 USA is based on Mario having a PTSD nightmare over Yoshi's Island. --- For the best videogame commentary story on the Internet (sometimes featuring GameFAQs poll of the days and contest discussion) visit https://www.koopatv.org ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ngamer64 05/16/19 8:16:07 PM #45: |
Yes.
But it's not one of the Top Ten Mainline Console Super Mario Games, so Nick was right to exclude it. --- Advo bested even The Show hosts in 2018, yowza! board8.wikia.com | thengamer.com/xstats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haste_2 05/16/19 9:21:43 PM #46: |
You could make a case for it being in the Mario series. Mario is on Yoshi's back the whole time. Consider this: if Mario were riding on Yoshi 100% of the time in Super Mario World, would it still be a Mario game? I'm curious to see what you guys think.
Yoshi's Island is either part of the Yoshi series or part of the Mario series. Not both. Or maybe it could be both? Yoshi's Island is my favorite 2D Mario game....but yeah, I'm also in the boat where I don't think any of the Mario games are that fun, even though they are objectively excellent. I guess I'm more of a Metroid/MMX (and DKC2) guy when it comes to SNES platformers. p.s. Yoshi's Island rules when it comes to boss fights. If I ever win the Guru contest, I would require you all to nominate Burt the Bashful! --- Congrats to Advokaiser on pwning me in CBX! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetalmindStats 05/16/19 9:26:33 PM #47: |
Haste_2 posted...
Consider this: if Mario were riding on Yoshi 100% of the time in Super Mario World, would it still be a Mario game? I'm curious to see what you guys think. Yes. It would still definitively be called a Mario game, pushed as a Mario game, and have Mario as the clear focus. --- Hail the reigning Guru champ, Advokaiser! You proved yourself more statistically metal-minded than I ever have been - well done! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_SecretSquirrel 05/17/19 2:13:58 AM #48: |
Yoshi's Island is the best Mario platformer ever, but it's not the best Mario game ever. And it certainly is mainline.
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Waluigi1 05/17/19 8:09:01 AM #49: |
Not it's not a part of the main Super Mario series. It is the first of the Yoshi series though.
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burritosatan 05/17/19 8:22:00 AM #50: |
_SecretSquirrel posted...
Yoshi's Island is the best Mario platformer ever, but it's not the best Mario game ever. And it certainly is mainline. There are main mario games that arent platformers? --- Sony has never made a console that has less than 86 Million Sales. Nintendo has 7. ~~ If you come at the King, you best not miss ~~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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