Current Events > Report: America just had its lowest number of births in 32 years

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https://fox61.com/2019/05/15/report-america-just-had-its-lowest-number-of-births-in-32-years/

Thank you all you socially awkward kids.
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This is the best way to reduce our carbon footprint.
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The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.
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Its not my fault Im 58.
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Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids

That

And I imagine all of the college kids in insane debt that CE loves to say "tough tiddies" to are gonna help make the birthrate even lower because you would have to be borderline mentally challenged to try to take care of a kid while that deep in the hole

Fun times for all
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It's good timing, so that the social security system will collapse just in time for millennials to need it in old age...

Well I just get hookers so I'm probably part of the problem?
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The sex economy is unfair. The top 1% (Chad) gets all the women.
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Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

This is all pretty false. Jobs aren't hard to find. Definitely don't need near 6 figures to raise a family. Too much garbage being put into people's heads and they eat it up.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Jobs aren't hard to find.

jobs that allow someone to start a family are.

Definitely don't need near 6 figures to raise a family.

it doesn't seem that far fetched to me, depending on the area
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Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

Strange how the impoverished breed like like rabbits, yet anyone well-off claims children are too expensive.

...actually it's not strange at all.
The "one mouth, two hands" axiom comes apart in any society with a decent standard of living.

The impoverished also don't exactly live a good life and their kids barely get any education worth a damn. There's inherent value to living smarter
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

This is all pretty false. Jobs aren't hard to find. Definitely don't need near 6 figures to raise a family. Too much garbage being put into people's heads and they eat it up.

Nah, it's all pretty true. I know multiple people with great jobs who can barely keep themselves above water. Between student loans, medical debt, and rent, I don't know a more than a handful of people my age who can afford a child.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

Strange how the impoverished breed like like rabbits, yet anyone well-off claims children are too expensive.

...actually it's not strange at all.
The "one mouth, two hands" axiom comes apart in any society with a decent standard of living.

Cause they got snap, wick, ebt, section 8, etc to help them but guess who pays for that? Taxpayer.
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New world order is gonna be max two kids per family for wealthy nations.

But I'm having a kid soon, so I like this news. Smaller class room sizes and less competition woo!
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mach25687 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

Strange how the impoverished breed like like rabbits, yet anyone well-off claims children are too expensive.

...actually it's not strange at all.
The "one mouth, two hands" axiom comes apart in any society with a decent standard of living.

Cause they got snap, wick, ebt, section 8, etc to help them but guess who pays for that? Taxpayer.

Yes.
Socialism replaces the need to make your own labor pool, while simultaneously undermining your means to do so. Europe has been in a birth-rate "crisis" for a couple decades now, and Japan and US are catching on as well.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

This is all pretty false. Jobs aren't hard to find. Definitely don't need near 6 figures to raise a family. Too much garbage being put into people's heads and they eat it up.

This. Too many people nowadays are just financially irresponsible and don't think they should have to budget or go without expensive trinkets.
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me and my wife had twins last year so we're doing our part to keep the human virus going!

and yes we're poor.
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*shrugs*

I did my part.
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mach25687 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

Strange how the impoverished breed like like rabbits, yet anyone well-off claims children are too expensive.

...actually it's not strange at all.
The "one mouth, two hands" axiom comes apart in any society with a decent standard of living.

Cause they got snap, wick, ebt, section 8, etc to help them but guess who pays for that? Taxpayer.

So the government makes it easier for poor people to have kids, and harder for taxpayers to have kids.
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tennisdude818 posted...

mach25687 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

Strange how the impoverished breed like like rabbits, yet anyone well-off claims children are too expensive.

...actually it's not strange at all.
The "one mouth, two hands" axiom comes apart in any society with a decent standard of living.

Cause they got snap, wick, ebt, section 8, etc to help them but guess who pays for that? Taxpayer.

So the government makes it easier for poor people to have kids, and harder for taxpayers to have kids.

Yep
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You'll get more votes later on
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

You'll get more votes later on

Unless they become felon.
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Godnorgosh posted...

I'm not sure if Questionmarktarius is seriously trying to attribute declining US births to socialism or I'm just misreading him, but I sure hope it's the latter.

I gave up trying to parse that stuff when that idiom he mentioned just brought up some rando band for like 3 pages
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it's because everyone's turning gay, right?
>_>
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Godnorgosh posted...

I'm not sure if Questionmarktarius is seriously trying to attribute declining US births to socialism or I'm just misreading him, but I sure hope it's the latter.

Standard of living. If you're "comfortable", you tend to not have as many children.
Socialism is just a part of that.

MacadamianNut3 posted...

I gave up trying to parse that stuff when that idiom he mentioned just brought up some rando band for like 3 pages

http://www.blueplanetjournal.com/ecology/inside-indias-population-paradox.html

A child is another mouth to feed, but he will have two hands to work and bring in money for the family, especially as the parents grow older," said Mrs. Asha Rane, explaining why it is often the poorest families who have the most children.

That's about the best thing Google gives back, thanks to some rando band.

There's nothing wrong with this at all
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Poverty clouds the mind, lowers IQ, and makes you more likely to make bad impulsive decisions, like risky activity that leads to kids you can't afford.

The growing class of educated poor in first world countries is what's leading to declining birth rates. People that make just enough to have basic needs taken care of for rational thought. They then correctly decide that they cannot afford kids so they do not have them.
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Godnorgosh posted...

wat

If you're someone who thinks capitalism offers a higher standard of living than socialism, then it makes no sense to blame socialism for people getting comfortable and not having kids, esp. in a place as overtly capitalist as the US.

It doesn't matter how you get "comfortable".

If you have no particular need to breed your own supply of tiny laborers to maintain subsistence, you aren't going to do so. You're even less likely to do so as "subsistence" moves on into "decent lifestyle" - children are essentially pets at that point.

Godnorgosh posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

If you have no particular need to breed your own supply of tiny laborers to maintain subsistence, you aren't going to do so.

Boomers didn't need to do this and their birthrates outpaced what we're seeing here. Tbh none of what you're saying here lines up with reality.

There was a sort of Catholic (and Christianity in general) revival going on at the time. That's when "under God" got pasted into the pledge, and "In God We Trust" got added to the rest of the money.

Godnorgosh posted...

I don't follow what this has to do with anything

There's two big reasons why someone would have a lot of children:

1. cheap labor for subsistence now, and to take care of grandma later.
2. because God says so.

Both of those reasons are being undermined in developed nations, and doubled down elsewhere (sometimes within developed nations).

Less kids, more breathing room.

What's not to like
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I'm too much of a drunkard to think or worry about having a wife and kids.
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Godnorgosh posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

1. cheap labor for subsistence now, and to take care of grandma later.
2. because God says so.

There are many problems with what you're claiming here.

First, children aren't cheap, and they're not a source of labor for at least the first several years of their lives. If anything the majority of the labor those years goes into raising the child, not benefiting the parent in any material way. Later, okay, but if we take your premise that comfort = less children (and vice versa) as true, and boomers were financially less comfortable than millennials (again, wat) as true, what made boomers think their children would be better off to the point they would be able to take care of them? If anything, that's a problem now: millennials are less comfortable and less well off than their ancestors, and they don't see a future in which their potential children take good care of themselves, let alone their parents.

The extent to which religion influenced boomer birthrates is something that needs to be substantiated with evidence, but we can easily reject your premise that boomers were less comfortable than millennials and that's why they had more children.

I think hes just saying more education equals less children.
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GiftedACIII posted...

I think hes just saying more education equals less children.

Part of it, yes.

Flockaveli posted...

Its not my fault Im 58.

It is. You should have drank more milk and played basketball during your infant days. You need to science your body, mate. Science.
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It's because of all the NEETs not having sex

and also video games
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Rob Cesternino posted...

This is bad news.
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The agenda is working.
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Blade-wolf posted...

The agenda is working.

What agenda is that?
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Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

A traditional family likely, but single is a whole other story. With the amount of benefits at their finger tips they can live comfortably off barely a fraction of that.
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Good, there are too many damn people already.
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Payzmaykr posted...

The cost of living is too high to have kids. You practically need a six figure salary to afford a small family, without going broke, and finding a job is harder than its ever been.

finding a job is harder than its ever been.

record low unemployment bro
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