Current Events > Alright, I'm done giving GoT the benefit of the doubt, spoilers obviously

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That episode was just.....dumb. it had some good moments but Dany burning down the entire city after surrender made zero sense. I dont have a problem with vilifying her but atleast give her a reason to do what she does that makes some sort of sense. As horrible as Cercei was she almost always had a reason for the fucked up things she did.

I couldnt even appreciate some of the better moments from being so baffled by that.

Queen of dragons, more like queen of ashes
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She went insane. Logic goes out the window when you've gone insane.

And yes, they did enough to show why her mind would deteriorate. Remember what Yoda told Anakin. Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Everything she's doing is because of fear and these are the results.
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I dont see how it could possibly end after next episode unless they rush the hell out of it.
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It all could have been fixed if they just had her burning the Red Keep & the area around it instead of spending most of the time burning the complete opposite side of the city.
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archedsoul posted...

She went insane. Logic goes out the window when you've gone insane.

And yes, they did enough to show why her mind would deteriorate. Remember what Yoda told Anakin. Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Everything she's doing is because of fear and these are the results.

Like I said, I have no problem with vilifying her, just make it make sense. It made no sense for that to be her breaking point. Bring a bit of nuance to it. Very poorly executed
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Here ya go

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77711261

Post 21
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lol yeah she spend 7 seasons trying to be good and not be like her father, but like, her friend died and... a dragon so... she hates everyone now!

your expectations were subverted!!!

just like how they built up jon to be the one who would deal with the night king, but NAHHH

or like how jaime was a good guy now, FORGET IT

or how you'd expect cersei to actually do something and not just spend 5 episodes staring out a window

SUBVERTED!!!!
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iPhone_7 posted...

It all could have been fixed if they just had her burning the Red Keep & the area around it instead of spending most of the time burning the complete opposite side of the city.

Or kill Rhaegal this episode instead.

Or have Cersei refuse to ring the bells.

Just some suggestions.
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maybe she wanted Cersei to feel some kinda despair before killing her as some kind of revenge for Missandei.

like, she was willing to burn the world around her to show Cersei that she had no power, and that there was nothing she could do.
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<_<
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boxington posted...

maybe she wanted Cersei to feel some kinda despair before killing her as some kind of revenge for Missandei.

like, she was willing to burn the world around her to show Cersei that she had no power, and that there was nothing she could do.

dont even bother man.

they already knew cersei didn't give a shit about her people.

theres no making sense of this.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

As horrible as Cercei was she almost always had a reason for the fucked up things she did.

Daenerys is far worse than her father and Cersei. Those two rulers were cruel and did kill many people, via their troops, but their threats of killing mostly everyone didnt work out for them. Daenerys actually talked about it and then went out and did it. Daenerys also didnt kill just through her followers. I think the majority of deaths were from her directing her dragon to torch everything in sight, all while she rode on top of it.

Its Ok. I never did like her, and I never believed shed be a good ruler. She seemed to enjoy killing people a little too much, but we gave her a pass because it was a bunch of slave masters at first. Now there is no defending her genocidal bullshit, without sounding like a fanatic.
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a_riot04 posted...

Here ya go

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77711261

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I totally get all of that.......but it makes zero sense for her to snap in that moment. Give us something, even if its petty and causes a severe overreaction on her part

"They're surrendering, I've won the city.

You know what, fuck this city!"

I'm sorry but thats just lazy storytelling
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Solid Snake07 posted...

archedsoul posted...

She went insane. Logic goes out the window when you've gone insane.

And yes, they did enough to show why her mind would deteriorate. Remember what Yoda told Anakin. Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Everything she's doing is because of fear and these are the results.

Like I said, I have no problem with vilifying her, just make it make sense. It made no sense for that to be her breaking point. Bring a bit of nuance to it. Very poorly executed

Did you miss the tremendous casualties she just took and the loss of two of her three most loyal companions (Greyworm being the third), along with a fourth plotting to reinforce her very fears of someone else having a better claim and having to burn him? Along with two of the three only remaining dragons in existence that she considered her children being killed, with one returning undead?

Or the compounding fears and jealousy she must have been feeling over several weeks after The Long Night (they didn't teleport a thousand miles) over her own lover, who is now not only revealed to be related to her and finds the incest disgusting but is also a direct threat to her rule.

I feel like people have snapped and committed atrocities and heinous acts on way less in real life. This is a woman with a fucking dragon during a time where ruling by fear or force is commonplace and you either win or lose. No jail time and laws and shit.
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TheBlueMonk_ posted...

boxington posted...

maybe she wanted Cersei to feel some kinda despair before killing her as some kind of revenge for Missandei.

like, she was willing to burn the world around her to show Cersei that she had no power, and that there was nothing she could do.

dont even bother man.

they already knew cersei didn't give a shit about her people.

theres no making sense of this.

I meant more like, Dany just up and destroyed everything that Cersei worked so hard to take control of
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pegusus123456 posted...

Or kill Rhaegal this episode instead

Now that would have made some sense, and made his death actually an impactful event.

That simple change would add the complexity that this episode so desperately lacked.
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archedsoul posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

archedsoul posted...

She went insane. Logic goes out the window when you've gone insane.

And yes, they did enough to show why her mind would deteriorate. Remember what Yoda told Anakin. Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Everything she's doing is because of fear and these are the results.

Like I said, I have no problem with vilifying her, just make it make sense. It made no sense for that to be her breaking point. Bring a bit of nuance to it. Very poorly executed

Did you miss the tremendous casualties she just took and the loss of two of her three most loyal companions (Greyworm being the third), along with a fourth plotting to reinforce her very fears of someone else having a better claim and having to burn him? Along with two of the three only remaining dragons in existence that she considered her children being killed, with one returning undead?

Or the compounding fears and jealousy she must have been feeling over several weeks after The Long Night (they didn't teleport a thousand miles) over her own lover, who is now not only revealed to be related to her and finds the incest disgusting but is also a direct threat to her rule.

I feel like people have snapped and committed atrocities and heinous acts on way less in real life. This is a woman with a fucking dragon during a time where ruling by fear or force is commonplace and you either win or lose. No jail time and laws and shit.

I dont have a problem with the build up, but there's no concise catalyst to her actually losing it. Execution is the problem here. The sense of drama is lost in the confusion of just thinking "wait.....what?!"
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

I dont see how it could possibly end after next episode unless they rush the hell out of it.

Seems likely. One of the main characters just completly lost her mind and turned a complete 180 in just two episodes. See no reason they wont rush the resolution of that as well
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Solid Snake07 posted...

I feel like people have snapped and committed atrocities and heinous acts on way less in real life.

yeah man. i remember once i stubbed my toes, and i burned down a school. so many children died. bUt i GuESs I'M jUsT MAd!?

obviously i didn't, mods.
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TheBlueMonk_ posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

I feel like people have snapped and committed atrocities and heinous acts on way less in real life.

yeah man. i remember once i stubbed my toes, and i burned down a school. so many children died. bUt i GuESs I'M jUsT MAd!?

obviously i didn't, mods.

Hey man that's fake news
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pegusus123456 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

It all could have been fixed if they just had her burning the Red Keep & the area around it instead of spending most of the time burning the complete opposite side of the city.

Or kill Rhaegal this episode instead.

Or have Cersei refuse to ring the bells.

Just some suggestions.

Definitely would have been better if they saved Rhaegal and/or Missandeis death for the moment she snaps.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

I dont have a problem with the build up, but there's no concise catalyst to her actually losing it. Execution is the problem here. The sense of drama is lost in the confusion of just thinking "wait.....what?!"

Yeah.

All of the ingredients were there, they just didn't cook it long enough.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

I dont have a problem with the build up, but there's no concise catalyst to her actually losing it. Execution is the problem here. The sense of drama is lost in the confusion of just thinking "wait.....what?!"

Huh? Those are the catalysts, and the moment it happened was because she's gone mad. She solidified that when Jon rejected her kiss and she decided she was going to rule through fear. She was already going to burn them down while she was talking to Tyrion. He convinced her not to.

When everyone surrendered, she saw that all the loss she endured and everything up to this point was for nothing. The city and everybody was about to surrender and walk away safely while fearing her, while she lost her people, her dragons and friends in a very specific mission to prove to and save those very people from the dead.

She said fuck it and redirected all her pent up anger and blasted them. It was exactly what her father the, Mad King wanted to do. She went insane, I'm not sure why people are still looking at it like "she should have been more logical and smarter about her actions" when she's insane. Her parents were literally siblings, who's own parents were also siblings. There's multiple layers of incest involved to top everything off.
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I keep seeing people talk about how violent she's been this entire show, acting like we weren't supposed to be cheering when she was violent towards her brother or the khals or the slave masters.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I keep seeing people talk about how violent she's been this entire show, acting like we weren't supposed to be cheering when she was violent towards her brother or the khals or the slave masters.

Those people deserved it though. The people of King's Landing were innocent. We no longer see her face after she starts the rampage but she must have totally lost it cause she swoops down on even children and burns then alive

She was never this insane

No, I know. People just keep saying she was always like this.

Bitch, she wasn't and we were supposed to be on her side when she was violent.
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I just can't buy that Missandei was apparently the thing that makes her snap. It just doesn't add up.

A good character who goes berserk usually feels oddly cathartic while also being tragic. You're seeing the downfall of a great person. This just wasn't set up in a satisfying way. It was done like a last-minute twist.

An action like this shouldn't feel so random. It should feel like the natural conclusion.

Foreshadowing it isn't enough.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

I dont have a problem with vilifying her but atleast give her a reason to do what she does that makes some sort of sense.

This, it's just lazy writing, and there was no need for it except that they didn't want to pay the actors for more episodes so lets just have crazy lady burn innocent people who she's never interacted with and who have done nothing to her.
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Darmik posted...

I just can't buy that Missandei was apparently the thing that makes her snap. It just doesn't add up.

A good character who goes berserk usually feels oddly cathartic while also being tragic. You're seeing the downfall of a great person. This just wasn't set up in a satisfying way. It was done like a last-minute twist.

An action like this shouldn't feel so random. It should feel like the natural conclusion.

Foreshadowing it isn't enough.

I feel it's more like, all she's lost on her quest to sit on the Iron Throne, Missandei's death was one of the final straws to break the camel's back

sometime during the battle, something made her snap, and she went kill crazy.
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boxington posted...

sometime during the battle, something made her snap, and she went kill crazy.

I think that's the major part that's missing.
She hated Cersei. That's understandable. You see Dany look at the huge ass tower. She knows Cersei would be there. We've seen the set up that Cersei brought in civilians as a shield. I think killing all of those people would still fit. That's still horrifying.

But instead we see her go out of her way to kill everyone like a video game character and barely even bother blowing up the place her nemesis is in.

If Cersei evacuated earlier she probably could have lived too. Dany took her time killing civilians for no reason.

On top of that we have stuff like secret tunnels and holding her brother hostage that is just never brought up as a tactic by anyone.
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She said she was going to rule by fear, that was how she did it. Shes hoping people will be too afraid to challenge her now when they find out Jon is the true heir
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Darmik posted...

boxington posted...

sometime during the battle, something made her snap, and she went kill crazy.

I think that's the major part that's missing.
She hated Cersei. That's understandable. You see Dany look at the huge ass tower. She knows Cersei would be there. We've seen the set up that Cersei brought in civilians as a shield. I think killing all of those people would still fit. That's still horrifying.

But instead we see her go out of her way to kill everyone like a video game character and barely even bother blowing up the place her nemesis is in.

If Cersei evacuated earlier she probably could have lived too. Dany took her time killing civilians for no reason.

On top of that we have stuff like secret tunnels and holding her brother hostage that is just never brought up as a tactic by anyone.

I think that she wanted Cersei to feel as helpless as she felt when Missandei was executed in front of her
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