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One thing that confuses me is people say you are reunited with loved ones who you've lost. But how does that work exactly? Let's say you're married and your wife dies when she's 25 years old, but you don't die until you're 90. Are you going to be reunited as a couple with a 65 year age difference?

What about if your mother dies when she's 50? Are you going to be 40 years older than your own mother?

I don't think I'd want to go to Heaven if it's going to be like that.

Idk but all dogs go there so I'll be reunited with all the dogs I've had in this lifetime and that's enough for me
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There's no logic to it.

When you go to Heaven you can project yourself at any point in your life.

Or some shit like that.
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Strider102 posted...

When you go to Heaven you can project yourself at any point in your life.

Or some shit like that.

I considered that, but let's say you choose to be 40 and your mother chooses to be 25, she'd be off living her own reality at 25 which would mean that the "mother" in your version of reality would just be some lifeless android, a prop to match the age you choose and not your actual mother.

When you arrive in heaven, you are your soul. You basically are as you believe yourself to be. Everybody's hot in heaven.
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I don't believe in Heaven, but it's supposed to be infinite bliss, so it's whatever you want it to be probably. Honestly, at that point you probably transcend concepts such as age and physical characteristics.
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If we're speaking from a Christian point of view, most views on Heaven are just speculation as the Bible has little to say on the subject. Don't know about other religions.
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WaterLink posted...

Idk but all dogs go there so I'll be reunited with all the dogs I've had in this lifetime and that's enough for me

What about Pitt Bulls that attack babies. Do they go there as well?
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fenderbender321 posted...

Heaven and hell is kind of a deal breaker for me with religion. IMO, a good God would not say "kiss my ass and do all this other shit or else burn for eternity".

I'm kind of on the fence in regards to religion, but your line of thought is faulty. If God is the creator of everything, he would set the standard for what is good and it wouldn't really matter what your opinion is.
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Heaven and hell is kind of a deal breaker for me with religion. IMO, a good God would not say "kiss my ass and do all this other shit or else burn for eternity".

I'm kind of on the fence in regards to religion, but your line of thought is faulty. If God is the creator of everything, he would set the standard for what is good and it wouldn't really matter what your opinion is.

No. Wrong is wrong, regardless of how powerful an entity you are.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Heaven and hell is kind of a deal breaker for me with religion. IMO, a good God would not say "kiss my ass and do all this other shit or else burn for eternity".

To me, either hell does not exist or God is evil (or there is no God)

A nice God would not allow Hell to exist

The idea of eternal life (bliss or sufferring) terrifies me even more than nothingness after death.
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I like the idea explored somewhere that your 'age' in the afterlife depends on your projection of yourself. So if the person's soul is young and naive, it's projected as a teenager. If it's rough and jaded, it's projected as an octogenarian. All perfectly healthy and full of vigor though, because this is heaven.

Made up for a weird scene there where a guy's grandfather looked decades younger than his father.
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Heaven and hell is kind of a deal breaker for me with religion. IMO, a good God would not say "kiss my ass and do all this other shit or else burn for eternity".

I'm kind of on the fence in regards to religion, but your line of thought is faulty. If God is the creator of everything, he would set the standard for what is good and it wouldn't really matter what your opinion is.

And that makes God an evil asshole if he existed. Why kind of shitbags allows people to be evil, or worse be victims of evil?
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It's funny that all you believers expect to go to heaven and not hell. lol.

Sexypwnstar posted...

Honestly, at that point you probably transcend concepts such as age and physical characteristics.

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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

Would you still be happy in Heaven even if your loved ones are all burning in hell?

That's another massive problem that nobody can ever explain to me

TrevorBlack79 posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Heaven and hell is kind of a deal breaker for me with religion. IMO, a good God would not say "kiss my ass and do all this other shit or else burn for eternity".

I'm kind of on the fence in regards to religion, but your line of thought is faulty. If God is the creator of everything, he would set the standard for what is good and it wouldn't really matter what your opinion is.

Wrong is wrong

By what standard?
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

If we're speaking from a Christian point of view, most views on Heaven are just speculation as the Bible has little to say on the subject. Don't know about other religions.

The only description of heaven is that it's some kind of temperate valley and everything is so peaceful that the lion and goat are next to each other and they're both eating the grass.
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

By what standard?

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Wrong is wrong, regardless of how powerful an entity you are.

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TrevorBlack79 posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

By what standard?

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Wrong is wrong, regardless of how powerful an entity you are.

So you don't have an answer then. Got ya.
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

By what standard?

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Wrong is wrong, regardless of how powerful an entity you are.

So you don't have an answer then. Got ya.

What part of this do you not understand? If torture is wrong, then it's wrong regardless of who administers it. Omnipotence doesn't change that.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

By what standard?

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Wrong is wrong, regardless of how powerful an entity you are.

So you don't have an answer then. Got ya.

What part of this do you not understand? If torture is wrong, then it's wrong regardless of who administers it. Omnipotence doesn't change that.

It does matter who administers it and why they choose to do so, if the one doing it is the creator of all things. You could stand in front of God for a year and present your case, but as a created being it would ultimately be pointless.

I'm pretty much an agnostic, but even I realize that if an all powerful deity created and owns the universe then he has the freedom to do whatever he pleases with any part of it.
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

It does matter who administers it and why they choose to do so, if the one doing it is the creator of all things

Why?
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

It does matter who administers it and why they choose to do so, if the one doing it is the creator of all things. You could stand in front of God for a year and present your case, but as a created being it would ultimately be pointless.

I'm pretty much an agnostic, but even I realize that if an all powerful deity created and owns the universe then he has the freedom to do whatever he pleases with any part of it.

So like do you think it's okay to beat the shit out of a 2 year old kid if it's your child?
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You get an entirely new body in heaven.

Also, marriage ends with death.
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Dark_SilverX posted...

WaterLink posted...

Idk but all dogs go there so I'll be reunited with all the dogs I've had in this lifetime and that's enough for me

What about Pitt Bulls that attack babies. Do they go there as well?

That bulldog in the movie was pretty bad and he still went to heaven IIRC
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

It does matter who administers it and why they choose to do so, if the one doing it is the creator of all things

Why?

Divine prerogative.

Tyranthraxus posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

It does matter who administers it and why they choose to do so, if the one doing it is the creator of all things. You could stand in front of God for a year and present your case, but as a created being it would ultimately be pointless.

I'm pretty much an agnostic, but even I realize that if an all powerful deity created and owns the universe then he has the freedom to do whatever he pleases with any part of it.

So like do you think it's okay to beat the shit out of a 2 year old kid if it's your child?

Human procreation and divine creation ex nihilo don't carry equal weight and you know it.
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I don't think you perceive anyone how they were on Earth, tbqh.

They're there, but it's their spirit not their physical bodies. You wouldn't perceive them as 25 or 90. You'd perceive them as just their being

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

Divine prerogative.

Irrelevant, because:

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Wrong is wrong, regardless of how powerful an entity you are.

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TrevorBlack79 posted...

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

Divine prerogative.

Irrelevant, because:

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Wrong is wrong, regardless of how powerful an entity you are.

And you've completely failed to defend this position. You lose. Good day, sir.
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G-Ziss posted...

One thing that confuses me is people say you are reunited with loved ones who you've lost. But how does that work exactly? Let's say you're married and your wife dies when she's 25 years old, but you don't die until you're 90. Are you going to be reunited as a couple with a 65 year age difference?

What about if your mother dies when she's 50? Are you going to be 40 years older than your own mother?

I don't think I'd want to go to Heaven if it's going to be like that.

It's speculation what will happen honestly. Like some others have said, you might project what you want to see in yourself and everyone else. That's the most logical explaination, imo. Or it could be something entirely different we can't even comprehend.

Also, to be clear, hell doesn't exist. The whole eternal damnation and hellfire shit is a gross exaggeration that's fueled christian religions for thousands of years. What is likely going to happen is that when everyone is judged, they will either suffer for a brief moment in time for not repenting/living a life of sin and then dying (imagine Jesus on the cross and how quickly he died) or you will literally just seize to exist from that point on. Which when you really think about it, not existing really is eternal suffering since you lost out on eternal life, but let's be honest you're not going to know once you're dead anyways because you literally won't exist.

I don't believe in heaven, but if I remember correctly from church:

-your body (appearance) stays on earth
-your soul goes to heaven/hell
-age, weight, height, race, gender, musculature, deformity, disability, etc. don't exist in heaven/hell

I asked how we would recognize our loved ones, and depending on the church I got these answers:

-souls all recognize each other and know everything about each other

Or

-you won't recognize your loved ones, or remember your life on earth

It has been 20-30 years since I've been to church, but that is how I remember it.

On the contrary, the text you quote literally defends my position. Wrong is wrong. Period. Torture is inherently wrong, therefore it's inherently wrong for any entity, regardless of their power or abilities, to torture another.

On the other hand, you haven't even attempted to defend the idea that omnipotence justifies torture. You lose.
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Typhon posted...

I don't believe in heaven, but if I remember correctly from church:

-your body (appearance) stays on earth
-your soul goes to heaven/hell
-age, weight, height, race, gender, musculature, deformity, disability, etc. don't exist in heaven/hell

I asked how we would recognize our loved ones, and depending on the church I got these answers:

-souls all recognize each other and know everything about each other

Or

-you won't recognize your loved ones, or remember your life on earth

It has been 20-30 years since I've been to church, but that is how I remember it.

That probably is what they taught you in church but the concept of a soul today comes from Greeks instead of Hebrews.

The word we usually translate as soul eould be translated literally as "throat." It's very much a physical image. Though it did have a lot of associations and connotations of totality of existence, since everything that you physically are enters through it and (some of) your thoughts exit through it.

Where the Greek concept is more familiar but not accurate, as some sort of intangible something that separates from the body at death or whatever.

Paul confirms:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+5:1-5&version=NIV&interface=amp
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Isn't it that once you go to heaven you're eternally praying to God and somehow infinitely happy that you're doing this for all eternity?

Maybe its because you get a sneak peek at option B
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I don't think you have an age in the afterlife.
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