Current Events > is it hypocritical to be pro-vax and pro-choice at the same time

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is it sometimes okay to tell women what to do with their bodies
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abortions are an important aspect of women's health

vaccines are an important aspect of everyone's collective health
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Abortion kills babies

Pro vax kills young kids
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g980 posted...

is it sometimes okay to tell women what to do with their bodies

Vaccines are about everyone else's bodies.

If declining a vaccine only hurt yourself, I wouldn't give two shits about someone's personal stupidity.

averagejoel posted...

abortions are an important aspect of women's health

No they aren't.
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g980 posted...

is it sometimes okay to tell women what to do with their bodies

Look up herd immunity
Then close this topic
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It's sad how out of control anti vaxx and anti medicine is getting in general.

I was an apprentice with this dude and he was very laid back and chill.

Recently, I've been seeing his social media posts and it's nothing but links to bogus anti medicine sites and he clearly off the deep end.

I posed him a situation where, since you dont trust vaccines, why would/should you trust any kind of medication? Blood pressure meds or heart meds?

He didnt have an answer and spouted ad hominem and called me a jerkoff.
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MakoReizei posted...

No they aren't.

until fairly recently, one of the leading causes of premature death for women was childbirth.
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When it comes to bodily autonomy, removing something from the body is always more protected than adding to it.

MakoReizei posted...

averagejoel posted...

abortions are an important aspect of women's health

No they aren't.

They are, actually. Access to abortion is key to escaping or avoiding poverty for many women. It should be pretty obvious why that is an important aspect of their health.

k debonair posted...

MakoReizei posted...

No they aren't.

until fairly recently, one of the leading causes of premature death for women was childbirth.

Yeah but you can't really diagnose childbirth as something that is fatal. There are risks with everything.

I do understand your point. My wife almost died during child birth from placenta acreta which we learned is something that is very rare and is something an OBGYN would look for only if there is a history of it. Luckily the doctor was absolutely on his game.
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_Rinku_ posted...

MakoReizei posted...

averagejoel posted...

abortions are an important aspect of women's health

No they aren't.

They are, actually. Access to abortion is key to escaping or avoiding poverty for many women. It should be pretty obvious why that is an important aspect of their health.

This. Some basic research will tell you this
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Nope.

Abortion only physically affects the mother, and can be used to save her if giving birth has a significant chance of killing her(Like if instance a 11 year girl was raped...).

Depending on how far along. since, yaknow, eventually the frtus is developed enough to be an actual living creature.

Vaccines affects people in general, it's like people not washing their hands. Your lack of responsibility is putting people in danger, and you shouldn't have a right to do that intentionally. Especially the people who literally can't get a vaccine and relies on herd immunity to stay safe.
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Aborting unwanted fetuses and vaccinating the population both have societal benefits. It's sometimes ok to tell people what to do with their bodies if it's for the greater good.
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FarFromFields posted...

Aborting unwanted fetuses and vaccinating the population both have societal benefits. It's sometimes ok to tell people what to do with their bodies if it's for the greater good.

see im 100% about the greater good. then im also like, "nah man, fuck off goverment dont tell me what to do ill do what i want"
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chrono625 posted...

It's sad how out of control anti vaxx and anti medicine is getting in general.

I was an apprentice with this dude and he was very laid back and chill.

Recently, I've been seeing his social media posts and it's nothing but links to bogus anti medicine sites and he clearly off the deep end.

I posed him a situation where, since you dont trust vaccines, why would/should you trust any kind of medication? Blood pressure meds or heart meds?

He didnt have an answer and spouted ad hominem and called me a jerkoff.

It's unfair to call them ANTI-vax. They just want choices, but they don't actively impede others.
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GasMonkey posted...

FarFromFields posted...

Aborting unwanted fetuses and vaccinating the population both have societal benefits. It's sometimes ok to tell people what to do with their bodies if it's for the greater good.

see im 100% about the greater good. then im also like, "nah man, fuck off goverment dont tell me what to do ill do what i want"

I get that, but once in a blue moon the government is right about something.
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The_Thinker posted...

chrono625 posted...

It's sad how out of control anti vaxx and anti medicine is getting in general.

I was an apprentice with this dude and he was very laid back and chill.

Recently, I've been seeing his social media posts and it's nothing but links to bogus anti medicine sites and he clearly off the deep end.

I posed him a situation where, since you dont trust vaccines, why would/should you trust any kind of medication? Blood pressure meds or heart meds?

He didnt have an answer and spouted ad hominem and called me a jerkoff.

It's unfair to call them ANTI-vax. They just want choices, but they don't actively impede others.

The only time I see the government push vaccines is when people want to insert their child or themselves in public areas.

Or in public facilities. The government should he intervening at that point.

And this same individual pushes the vaccine causes autism nonsense too. So his agenda is multi fold.
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The_Thinker posted...

chrono625 posted...

It's sad how out of control anti vaxx and anti medicine is getting in general.

I was an apprentice with this dude and he was very laid back and chill.

Recently, I've been seeing his social media posts and it's nothing but links to bogus anti medicine sites and he clearly off the deep end.

I posed him a situation where, since you dont trust vaccines, why would/should you trust any kind of medication? Blood pressure meds or heart meds?

He didnt have an answer and spouted ad hominem and called me a jerkoff.

It's unfair to call them ANTI-vax. They just want choices, but they don't actively impede others.

Knowledge_King?
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_Rinku_ posted...

They are, actually. Access to abortion is key to escaping or avoiding poverty for many women. It should be pretty obvious why that is an important aspect of their health.

I've never heard of such a thing, at least in the US. In fact, where I live, some women take advantage of government programs and pop out more kids as it's more economical than to get a job.

I do recognize that women in lower income levels having access to abortions leads them to avoid having unwanted children. Less unwanted children means less children in poor homes which leads to less kids out in the streets which means safer communities for all.

To the topic, yeah, it is indeed sometimes okay to tell women what to do with their bodies.
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Yes, it would be, only no one actually believes in sacrosanct rights except when it's convenient to another argument they already believe for other reasons
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Umbreon posted...

Abortion only physically affects the mother

tell that to the dead baby
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

If declining a vaccine only hurt yourself, I wouldn't give two shits about someone's personal stupidity.

Doesn't it only hurt those that don't get vaccinated?

Guide posted...

The_Thinker posted...

chrono625 posted...

It's sad how out of control anti vaxx and anti medicine is getting in general.

I was an apprentice with this dude and he was very laid back and chill.

Recently, I've been seeing his social media posts and it's nothing but links to bogus anti medicine sites and he clearly off the deep end.

I posed him a situation where, since you dont trust vaccines, why would/should you trust any kind of medication? Blood pressure meds or heart meds?

He didnt have an answer and spouted ad hominem and called me a jerkoff.

It's unfair to call them ANTI-vax. They just want choices, but they don't actively impede others.

Knowledge_King?

Realdill
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Abiz_ posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

If declining a vaccine only hurt yourself, I wouldn't give two shits about someone's personal stupidity.

Doesn't it only hurt those that don't get vaccinated?

No, and if you don't know why, I suggest you take a course in basic immunology.

Only 93-95% of MMR-vaccinated individuals develop immunity from measles, for example.

Which means the remaining 5-7% of individuals are relying on everyone else doing their part, and not a bunch of special unvaccinated snowflakes breaking herd immunity.

And that doesn't even begin to factor in people who are immunosuppressed, pregnant, too young to be vaccinated or have other medical reasons why they can't be vaccinated.

Measles in particular has a nearly 100% 1:1 contact/transmission rate in a normal unvaccinated outbreak. 95% of people had measles by the age of 30 prior to the vaccine.

In other words, anti-vaxxers are basically bringing it back for everyone, not just themselves.
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BignutzisBack posted...

Umbreon posted...

Abortion only physically affects the mother

tell that to the dead baby

Well when is it considered "alive"?
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DarkRoast posted...

No, and if you don't know why, I suggest you take a course in basic immunology.

Only 93-95% of MMR-vaccinated individuals develop immunity from measles, for example.

Which means the remaining 5-7% of individuals are relying on everyone else doing their part, and not a bunch of special unvaccinated snowflakes breaking herd immunity.

And that doesn't even begin to factor in people who are immunosuppressed, pregnant, too young to be vaccinated or have other medical reasons why they can't be vaccinated.

Measles in particular has a nearly 100% 1:1 contact/transmission rate in a normal unvaccinated outbreak. 95% of people had measles by the age of 30 prior to the vaccine.

In other words, anti-vaxxers are basically bringing it back for everyone, not just themselves.

Thanks for explaining.