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I will observe the tenants of Taekwondo.

Courage.
Respect.
Self Control.
Getting the shit kicked out of me.
Indomitable spirit.
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lol
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the best part is the cut and all the guys on the floor xD
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there is no fighting in this dojo
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Taekwondo's super useless if you get grabbed.
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Guide posted...

Taekwondo's super useless if you get grabbed.

Most martial arts are downright useless when your opponent ain't fighting by the rules
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This is the downside of studying straight discipline martial arts. It has virtually no real-world combat prowess.

Like, obviously if you know martial arts, you shouldn't just go around starting fights. But stuff like taekwondo is basically just for show/sporting since in a bar fight (or mall fight in this case lol) there's no ref to step in and hand a penalty card to your opponent for stepping in too quickly or something. If you find yourself getting attacked by some brute IRL, you're fucked lol.
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ITT

People who do nothing but post online all day give fighting advice

AdmiralStiff posted...

Guide posted...

Taekwondo's super useless if you get grabbed.

Most martial arts are downright useless when your opponent ain't fighting by the rules

Moreso with TKD in his case, though.

TKD has very rudimentary grappling at best.
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kayoticdreamz posted...

ITT

People who do nothing but post online all day give fighting advice

It doesn't take a genius to know that the best fighting advice is to NOT engage into combat
Specially if your opponent is a mob of roided meatheads
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AdmiralStiff posted...

It doesn't take a genius to know that the best fighting advice is to NOT engage into combat

clearly a 25 second video with several camera cuts can conclusively tell us how this fight started. Yes, clearly. /s

AdmiralStiff posted...

Moreso of your opponent is a mob of roided meatheads

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt
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LostForest posted...

This is the downside of studying straight discipline martial arts. It has virtually no real-world combat prowess.

Like, obviously if you know martial arts, you shouldn't just go around starting fights. But stuff like taekwondo is basically just for show/sporting since in a bar fight (or mall fight in this case lol) there's no ref to step in and hand a penalty card to your opponent for stepping in too quickly or something. If you find yourself getting attacked by some brute IRL, you're fucked lol.

Any school that restricts itself to the art and nothing else can be recognized as either something specifically in the competition set, bullshit. Whole point of free sparring is to see what works. It's not taught traditionally, but you're allowed to go for any kind of grapple you want in, say, yoshukai karate during free spar, long as it's acknowledged beforehand, because they (or my teacher at least) recognized how useful groundwork is.

Also, since we're on the topic, aikido's main problem is having it's head so far up its ass that it falsely advertises itself as useful for combat.

It really should market itself as tai chi. It's relaxing, good exercise for old people, one of the applied holds is actually taught to cops, but lol it's not for fighting and hasn't been since the war was over.
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AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt

Weightlifting doesn't teach you how to punch. It certainly makes your punches better, but only if you already know how to punch. Do you think boxers spend more time punching or weightlifting?
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AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt

so my original point is proven accurate. Thanks.

so I just watched this guy's video, and it looks like the taekwondo guys started flopping when they realized all of the people filming them

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kayoticdreamz posted...

AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt

so my original point is proven accurate. Thanks.

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Hold tight to that belt of yours
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AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt

so my original point is proven accurate. Thanks.

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Hold tight to that belt of yours

It's stupid that you think someone has to be involved to make the argument.
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Guide posted...

AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt

so my original point is proven accurate. Thanks.

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Hold tight to that belt of yours

It's stupid that you think someone has to be involved to make the argument.

Given the matter at hand, It would be naive to think otherwise
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May not be fear in this dojo, but sure are a lot of scrubs.
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AdmiralStiff posted...

Guide posted...

AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt

so my original point is proven accurate. Thanks.

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Hold tight to that belt of yours

It's stupid that you think someone has to be involved to make the argument.

Given the matter at hand, It would be naive to think otherwise

That's the kind of thinking that was dumb in grade school. "Oh you only think x can beat y cause you like x more!"
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AdmiralStiff posted...

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AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

AdmiralStiff posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

martial arts and weight lifting are two different kinds of workouts and produce two different kinds of physiques

Yeah
Weightlifting grants you bone crushing punches
TKD grants you a fancy black belt

so my original point is proven accurate. Thanks.

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Hold tight to that belt of yours

It's stupid that you think someone has to be involved to make the argument.

Given the matter at hand, It would be naive to think otherwise

That's the kind of thinking that was dumb in grade school. "Oh you only think x can beat y cause you like x more!"

Dude, it's fucking taekwondo
It's like bringing a pocket knife to a spear fight
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Neither I nor the other guy mentioned tkd.
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Season 3 of Cobra Kai went international
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Guide posted...

>arguing semantics

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Someone should sync this with guiles theme
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LostForest posted...

This is the downside of studying straight discipline martial arts. It has virtually no real-world combat prowess.

Like, obviously if you know martial arts, you shouldn't just go around starting fights. But stuff like taekwondo is basically just for show/sporting since in a bar fight (or mall fight in this case lol) there's no ref to step in and hand a penalty card to your opponent for stepping in too quickly or something. If you find yourself getting attacked by some brute IRL, you're fucked lol.

Any school that restricts itself to the art and nothing else can be recognized as either something specifically in the competition set, bullshit. Whole point of free sparring is to see what works. It's not taught traditionally, but you're allowed to go for any kind of grapple you want in, say, yoshukai karate during free spar, long as it's acknowledged beforehand, because they (or my teacher at least) recognized how useful groundwork is.

Also, since we're on the topic, aikido's main problem is having it's head so far up its ass that it falsely advertises itself as useful for combat.

It really should market itself as tai chi. It's relaxing, good exercise for old people, one of the applied holds is actually taught to cops, but lol it's not for fighting and hasn't been since the war was over.

Yeah I remember I had a few friends who went to aikido McDojos in their teen years and it always seemed pretty iffy. I think I asked my parents to take me since anything martial arts related looks cool when you're 8, but I feel like they ended up not because it was too expensive.

For me personally since I was interested in actually competing in fight shows when I got older, I took up K-1 and muaythai since they're actually practical for self-defense (and because they're actually entertaining to watch/perform lol). Tbqh even though I just turned 30 a few months ago, I've had the itch to compete again since I'm in some of the best shape of my life, maybe even better than when I was actually competing in shows. Similar to my parents saying when I was young, boxing programs are just so damn expensive though lol.
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Karate kid season 3 looks promising.
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bump
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Everybody was kung-fu fighting
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What's the most useful fighting discipline for real world? Boxing? Judo? Karate? >_>
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SoraOwnsOctopus posted...

What's the most useful fighting discipline for real world? Boxing? Judo? Karate? >_>

boxing with some knowledge of take down prevention, in a fight you do not want to go to the ground and its best to avoid it. and being real here, most martial arts are useless because there is always intervention and/or somebody whipping a weapon out and bashing you over the back with a chair. you can be the best bjj, boxing, krav maga user and get whacked in the temple or ear and lose your balance.
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AdmiralStiff posted...

Guide posted...

>arguing semantics

That's not semantics. you don't even know what that means? Just open a damn dictionary. Read a book.
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SoraOwnsOctopus posted...

What's the most useful fighting discipline for real world? Boxing? Judo? Karate? >_>

MMA or Combatives. I'd say Krav Maga, but if you're not learning that in a bombed-out building somewhere in East Asia, it's probably not the real thing.

But boxing and judo are great against people with no experience. Karate is too, but there are so many fake schools.
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AdmiralStiff posted...

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>arguing semantics

That's not semantics. you don't even know what that means? Just open a damn dictionary. Read a book.

You are doing it again
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AdmiralStiff posted...

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AdmiralStiff posted...

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>arguing semantics

That's not semantics. you don't even know what that means? Just open a damn dictionary. Read a book.

You are doing it again

I wanna see how far you'll go instead of doing the easy thing and admitting fault.
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one more~
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If only Steven Seagal was there he could've showed the students of the dojo how a will dojo practitioner fights.
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Awesome posted...

SoraOwnsOctopus posted...

What's the most useful fighting discipline for real world? Boxing? Judo? Karate? >_>

boxing with some knowledge of take down prevention, in a fight you do not want to go to the ground and its best to avoid it. and being real here, most martial arts are useless because there is always intervention and/or somebody whipping a weapon out and bashing you over the back with a chair. you can be the best bjj, boxing, krav maga user and get whacked in the temple or ear and lose your balance.

what people online in these debates often fail to understand about traditional martial arts, is take for example karate. You will very often be working out in a horse stance, however you do not actually fight in a horse stance. In essence you don't exactly fight how you train. It's not a 1 to 1 translation. You practice off of right punches a lot because that is just a means to learn and retain information.

You have to learn how to apply what you learned into a real situation. Sparring helps with that and shadow boxing and other various things which you should practice in a good karate school that is worth anything.

But online people see 17 combination for example, and say LOLOL "compliant opponent, try and do that on a real opponent". Well like no shit you practice on a compliant opponent. and no shit you probably aren't going to do the full combination verbatim against a live opponent, that was never the point.

The best martial art to use depends on the user. there is no one size fits all gloves. BJJ for example is great at going to the ground, but not that great else where and 2 vs 1(which is hard as fuck to begin with) BJJ is going to be pointless or on hard concrete ground grappling might not be too wise.

Maybe I'm based here, but personally I'd say a combination of muaythai (with knowledge of basically any grappling/ground like BJJ or judo) is probably the most practical martial arts for actual defense.

Muaythai is fucking brutal. You could really fuck someone up IRL with a well placed elbow strike if you needed to.
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SoraOwnsOctopus posted...

What's the most useful fighting discipline for real world? Boxing? Judo? Karate? >_>

Krav Maga
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LostForest posted...

Maybe I'm based here, but personally I'd say a combination of muaythai (with knowledge of basically any grappling/ground like BJJ or judo) is probably the most practical martial arts for actual defense.

Muaythai is fucking brutal. You could really fuck someone up IRL with a well placed elbow strike if you needed to.

I remember something about a well-trained boxer being pretty dangerous.
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I saw this a couple days ago. I wonder what set these guys off. Martial arts is supposed to be about discipline.
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AdmiralStiff posted...

Guide posted...

Taekwondo's super useless if you get grabbed.

Most martial arts are downright useless when your opponent ain't fighting by the rules

No.

Bs like tkd and capoeira and aikido is.

Boxing Muay Thai wrestling and bjj and a few others are definitely easy wins vs an untrained dude.

Also do you think trained guys cant apply that to dirty fighting?
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Remember that movie where Bruce Lee walked into a dojo and beat up like 20 guys single-handedly? These guys must've been graduates of that school of martial arts.

AdmiralStiff posted...

Guide posted...

Taekwondo's super useless if you get grabbed.

Most martial arts are downright useless when your opponent ain't fighting by the rules

Thats westernized martial arts. Its all about instilling good values in kids. Literally nothing about self defense. Kids tell them the bullies are beating them up every day and they want to learn to protect themselves, and they tell you a bunch of shit about walking away (as if thats an option...)

Western martial arts is basically daycare, unless you join an adult class.
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DrizztLink posted...

LostForest posted...

Maybe I'm based here, but personally I'd say a combination of muaythai (with knowledge of basically any grappling/ground like BJJ or judo) is probably the most practical martial arts for actual defense.

Muaythai is fucking brutal. You could really fuck someone up IRL with a well placed elbow strike if you needed to.

I remember something about a well-trained boxer being pretty dangerous.

Bruce lee?
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