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TommyVercetti
01/09/19 10:33:37 AM
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do you? - Results (30 votes)
yes
10% (3 votes)
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no
90% (27 votes)
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do you support it
Vlado
01/09/19 10:37:11 AM
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ColZach
01/09/19 10:37:52 AM
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Of course not. Walls dont work. They never have.
Vlado
01/09/19 10:38:55 AM
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I gave two clear examples of them working amazingly. Of course, democrat supporters tend to reject objective reality, so I am not surprised.
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DeepsPraw
01/09/19 10:39:39 AM
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No. It's a giant, worthless momument to racism
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Kenri
01/09/19 10:40:38 AM
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ColZach posted...
Of course not.

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ColZach
01/09/19 10:42:09 AM
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Itd be nice if someone with credibility posted actual evidence of walls working but I dont listen to fake news and blatant liars.

Walls dont work. This one wont either. Not like its going to even get built LOL.
GuessMyUserName
01/09/19 10:46:25 AM
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only if y'all build a wall along the us-can border too

all your damn american crime comin' up here
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Dantezoid
01/09/19 10:49:44 AM
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I'm in favor of as many walls as possible, anywhere they can fit
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iiaattgg
01/09/19 10:52:51 AM
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Dantezoid posted...
I'm in favor of as many walls as possible, anywhere they can fit


this is a great policy and should happen asap
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iiicon
01/09/19 11:23:08 AM
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militarized borders cost an exorbitant amount of money, more so than countries spend on comprehensive immigration policy. They're immoral. The only reason they're erected is to appease the fantasies of racists, and so the local population doesn't have to see the effect their government's international policies have on the world stage.

it should be surprising to no one that Vlado's latest racist mancrush, Viktor Orban, pushed through a fence (that cost 3 times the budget of Hungary's Office Of Immigration) under the guise of a national emergency, as the Hungarian people were 'dying out' due to the 'multicultural society brought about by immigration.' Orban also espouses typical European nationalist sentiments like all immigrants are Muslim and all Muslims are terrorists, and that a Christian-national identity must be protected against the Islamisation of Europe.
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Peace___Frog
01/09/19 11:47:13 AM
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DeepsPraw posted...
No. It's a giant, worthless momument to racism


whose alt is this tc, anyway
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ZeldaTPLink
01/09/19 12:00:38 PM
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DeepsPraw posted...
No. It's a giant, worthless momument to racism

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KingButz
01/09/19 12:07:49 PM
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I watched Weeds. Walls dont work
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guffguy89
01/09/19 12:41:51 PM
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This whole divide in Washington is just maddening to me.

The issue of illegal immigration and border security is very complex. There are both positives and negatives to it and there are both positives and negatives to various solutions. It is a classic gray area.

What I see on tv and read on news websites is a concrete black and white scenario presented by both republicans and democrats. To republicans, people trying to cross illegally are the scourge of the earth. Evil, rotten criminals who just want to cross over to claim all our wellfare benefits. To the democrats, people trying to cross illegally can apparently do no wrong. They are all just innocent people trying to seek a better life for their family. the reality is that these people are not all bad, nor are they all good. They are not all guilty, nor are they all blameless.

And that's just one subset of it. The hardlined stances of both republicans and democrats are just so skewed from reality, that neither of them are correct. They can't even get past that they both are responsible for prolonging this shutdown. It takes two to play chicken. Trump is willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of his wall, and democrats are willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of not building the wall.

Has political allegiances become so polarized that no one is able to think rationally anymore?
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Dancedreamer
01/09/19 12:45:34 PM
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Not in the least. A waste of taxpayer dollars to steal land from people who live there, and that's not even getting into the environment issues.
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Dantezoid
01/09/19 12:47:56 PM
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You guys hear 'waste of taxpayer dollars' I hear 'time to apply for a new job designing walls'
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FL81
01/09/19 12:53:16 PM
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01/09/19 12:58:10 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
This whole divide in Washington is just maddening to me.

The issue of illegal immigration and border security is very complex. There are both positives and negatives to it and there are both positives and negatives to various solutions. It is a classic gray area.

What I see on tv and read on news websites is a concrete black and white scenario presented by both republicans and democrats. To republicans, people trying to cross illegally are the scourge of the earth. Evil, rotten criminals who just want to cross over to claim all our wellfare benefits. To the democrats, people trying to cross illegally can apparently do no wrong. They are all just innocent people trying to seek a better life for their family. the reality is that these people are not all bad, nor are they all good. They are not all guilty, nor are they all blameless.

And that's just one subset of it. The hardlined stances of both republicans and democrats are just so skewed from reality, that neither of them are correct. They can't even get past that they both are responsible for prolonging this shutdown. It takes two to play chicken. Trump is willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of his wall, and democrats are willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of not building the wall.

Has political allegiances become so polarized that no one is able to think rationally anymore?

this entire post is amazing because I don't think you know what immigration is but even more than that I don't think you know what chicken is.
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guffguy89
01/09/19 1:03:10 PM
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If it's a "game" where two people drive at each other, with the winner being the one who doesn't swerve out of the way first, then yes, I know what chicken is.

Are you under the assumption that only one party is responsible for this shutdown right now?
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Dancedreamer
01/09/19 1:06:10 PM
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"Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for the shutdown! Democrats could just give into Donald Trump's demands for $5 Billion dollars for a vanity wall, and the shutdown would end! That's all it'd take! Not like Mitch McConnell could just use the override veto with 2/3rd majority to pass the bill that already passed the house to end the shutdown or anything."
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iiicon
01/09/19 1:11:04 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
If it's a "game" where two people drive at each other, with the winner being the one who doesn't swerve out of the way first, then yes, I know what chicken is.

if one person is playing chicken and the other person isn't playing chicken congratulations you've likely just committed manslaughter
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Reg
01/09/19 1:11:57 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
Not like Mitch McConnell could just use the override veto with 2/3rd majority to pass the bill that already passed the house to end the shutdown or anything.

This is your reminder that not just has the House passed the bill you're referring to, the Senate passed a bill by a 100-0 vote prior to the shutdown itself.
guffguy89
01/09/19 1:12:39 PM
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You seriously think they both don't know what they are doing? They both know the wall ends this stalemate. One way or the other.
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guffguy89
01/09/19 1:14:47 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
"Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for the shutdown! Democrats could just give into Donald Trump's demands for $5 Billion dollars for a vanity wall, and the shutdown would end! That's all it'd take! Not like Mitch McConnell could just use the override veto with 2/3rd majority to pass the bill that already passed the house to end the shutdown or anything."


this kind of a response is exactly what I was talking about in my original post.
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Johnbobb
01/09/19 1:16:34 PM
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Side A wants to waste billions on blind racism and self obsession and will shut down the government until they can do it

Side B doesn't want that

Clearly they're both at fault and we should go with the horrible, horrible plan to stroke A's massive ego
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iiicon
01/09/19 1:17:31 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
this kind of a response is exactly what I was talking about in my original post.

yes it wasn't a good post that's why people are making fun of it

when you want to appear to be above the partisan fray you should probably make sure that your position isn't "give the delusional megalomaniac 100% of what he wants regardless of the feasibility or the irreparable harm it will cause"
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Espeon
01/09/19 1:18:16 PM
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If, just for example, Trump refused to sign any bill unless a law was passed allowing him to freely have anyone he wanted assassinated, and the Democrats said, uh, what the fuck, obviously not, are you seriously claiming the Democrats are equally to blame for Trumps completely unreasonable actions?
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01/09/19 1:20:00 PM
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foolm0r0n
01/09/19 1:21:25 PM
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Vlado posted...
I gave two clear examples of them working amazingly

That's less than 20% of all walls so it doesn't count
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Kenri
01/09/19 1:21:52 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
"The kidnappers want a million dollars, but the police don't want to give it to them. I don't understand why the police don't just give the kidnappers the money, they're just as at fault for this situation!"

honestly though kind of, have you seen what the police are willing to waste a million dollars on?
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Emeraldegg
01/09/19 1:23:26 PM
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Yeah there's a difference between being "responsible" for something and being "at fault" for something. Both parties are "responsible" for this shutdown because yes, both sides know what ends it. However, the side who wants the thing here is the only side "at fault" imo.
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GuessMyUserName
01/09/19 1:27:55 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
This whole divide in Washington is just maddening to me.

The issue of illegal immigration and border security is very complex. There are both positives and negatives to it and there are both positives and negatives to various solutions. It is a classic gray area.

What I see on tv and read on news websites is a concrete black and white scenario presented by both republicans and democrats. To republicans, people trying to cross illegally are the scourge of the earth. Evil, rotten criminals who just want to cross over to claim all our wellfare benefits. To the democrats, people trying to cross illegally can apparently do no wrong. They are all just innocent people trying to seek a better life for their family. the reality is that these people are not all bad, nor are they all good. They are not all guilty, nor are they all blameless.

And that's just one subset of it. The hardlined stances of both republicans and democrats are just so skewed from reality, that neither of them are correct. They can't even get past that they both are responsible for prolonging this shutdown. It takes two to play chicken. Trump is willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of his wall, and democrats are willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of not building the wall.

Has political allegiances become so polarized that no one is able to think rationally anymore?

like everything in this post is amazing, and complaining about extreme polarization when it completely skews reality to a slant

a) the "stalemate" is that trump demands he 100% gets what he wants and nothing else

b) "dems say immigrants can do no wrong" is complete fabrication, they only point to very real statistics that trump is lying about their crisis while in fact they commit crime at a lower rate than actual americans -- statistics that say yes they *can* do wrong, and those that do wrong shall be punished and every damn democrat is talking about a need for border security, but not a monumental waste of taxpayer funds that doesn't even have a plan for what those funds are being spent on. "a wall that may be a wall may be steel slats I'd like concrete but you don't want that" all while no numbers at all change is not a fucking plan
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guffguy89
01/09/19 1:28:32 PM
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Side A wants to reasonably protect our borders by building a wall to slow the influx of drugs and criminals that have been entering the United States illegally over the decades. A wall that has historically garnered bipartisan support, even from some democrats who now vehemently oppose it.

Side B just wants to spite a President who they seek to undermine any chance they get.

See what I did there? One can easily present the standoff as being unreasonably one sided. Doesn't mean it is.

(*I do not necessarily believe these statements. Just proving a point.*)
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CelesMyUserName
01/09/19 1:31:20 PM
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now make a post that uses a damn brain, because i can make do one that disregards mine as swell
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ShatteredElysium
01/09/19 1:33:20 PM
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I'm an Englishman living in the states and I think it's cute that they think a wall is going to solve the problem when the United Kingdom is a fucking island and people still complain with the same vehemence as Americans do about illegal immigration
NFUN
01/09/19 1:33:33 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
This whole divide in Washington is just maddening to me.

The issue of illegal immigration and border security is very complex. There are both positives and negatives to it and there are both positives and negatives to various solutions. It is a classic gray area.

What I see on tv and read on news websites is a concrete black and white scenario presented by both republicans and democrats. To republicans, people trying to cross illegally are the scourge of the earth. Evil, rotten criminals who just want to cross over to claim all our wellfare benefits. To the democrats, people trying to cross illegally can apparently do no wrong. They are all just innocent people trying to seek a better life for their family. the reality is that these people are not all bad, nor are they all good. They are not all guilty, nor are they all blameless.

And that's just one subset of it. The hardlined stances of both republicans and democrats are just so skewed from reality, that neither of them are correct. They can't even get past that they both are responsible for prolonging this shutdown. It takes two to play chicken. Trump is willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of his wall, and democrats are willing to sacrifice hardships from the shutdown for the sake of not building the wall.

Has political allegiances become so polarized that no one is able to think rationally anymore?

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guffguy89
01/09/19 1:35:38 PM
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haha, I like that comic.
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scarletspeed7
01/09/19 1:36:37 PM
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Proof that walls don't work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpYRZdw0UpA" data-time="

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Espeon
01/09/19 1:36:50 PM
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The other thing is, and correct me if Im wrong, but didnt the Democrats offer Trump funding for his wall back in 2018, in exchange for DACA protections? And Trump/McConnell turned that offer down?
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Dancedreamer
01/09/19 1:37:45 PM
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If the wall is so important, why didn't Trump get funding for it from the REPUBLICAN controlled house and the REPUBLICAN controlled Senate?
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Mr Lasastryke
01/09/19 1:39:04 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
If the wall is so important, why didn't Trump get funding for it from the REPUBLICAN controlled house and the REPUBLICAN controlled Senate?


why would he need funding? he's gonna make mexico pay for it.
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Kenri
01/09/19 1:39:13 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
Side A wants to reasonably protect our borders by building a wall to slow the influx of drugs and criminals that have been entering the United States illegally over the decades. A wall that has historically garnered bipartisan support, even from some democrats who now vehemently oppose it.

Side B just wants to spite a President who they seek to undermine any chance they get.

See what I did there? One can easily present the standoff as being unreasonably one sided. Doesn't mean it is.

(*I do not necessarily believe these statements. Just proving a point.*)

Still on side B here tbh, wanting the dumb fuckin' border wall just really tanks you no matter what.
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01/09/19 1:40:22 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
I'm an Englishman living in the states and I think it's cute that they think a wall is going to solve the problem when the United Kingdom is a fucking island and people still complain with the same vehemence as Americans do about illegal immigration

Australia too.

And illegal immigration isn't a thing.
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Reg
01/09/19 1:44:40 PM
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guffguy89 posted...
I do not necessarily believe these statements.

Judging from your other post and your attempt at smug holier-than-thou centrist bullshit, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're a fucking liar.
Nanis23
01/09/19 1:46:09 PM
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What the fuck, "No" winning by a landslide? why are people in this board are so stupid? what the fuck am I still doing here?

Enjoy your immigrants, what do I care
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HashtagSEP
01/09/19 1:48:27 PM
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Yikes
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CelesMyUserName
01/09/19 1:48:56 PM
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Nanis23 posted...
Enjoy your immigrants, what do I care

well yeah that sounds like pretty good advice to anyone

trump certainly enjoys his immigrant wife
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guffguy89
01/09/19 1:49:46 PM
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Reg posted...
guffguy89 posted...
I do not necessarily believe these statements.

Judging from your other post and your attempt at smug holier-than-thou centrist bullshit, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're a fucking liar.


I think there are some pros and cons to the notion of a wall. What a concept. I don't recall ever being attacked so fiercely for being neutral before. It's almost as if anyone thinks anything at all apart from the prescribed b.s. your designated political party feeds you, you go into attack mode.
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NFUN
01/09/19 1:49:59 PM
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Nanis23 posted...
What the fuck, "No" winning by a landslide? why are people in this board are so stupid? what the fuck am I still doing here?

Enjoy your immigrants, what do I care

did you know that the US/Mexico border is over 72 million times longer than the perimeter of Israel
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