Current Events > Copying Smash Bros and Classic Consoles seems like an easy money idea

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And yet Sony found a way for both of these to flop hard. Impressive.
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came into this topic to say something along the lines of "sony has proven otherwise" but you beat me to it
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They tried copying Pokemon as well, and also fucked that up:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/psp/960630-invizimals

Even worse, their twitter got smug about it during the height of Pokemon GO's popularity:
https://twitter.com/SonyXDevEurope/status/752482376941535232
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Solar_Crimson posted...

They tried copying Pokemon as well, and also fucked that up:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/psp/960630-invizimals

Copying Pokemon isn't an easy money idea though. Nobody has been able to replicate that.
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Oh god I totally forgot about Invizimals.

Didn't they also try to make Killzone into a Halo killer? lol
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The fact that PS Classic is such a massive fuck up is the biggest head scratcher. I get the argument that PS1 doesn't have the same nostalgia factor as some of the others and that's true, even for me. But I def would have picked one up just to mess around with/for my collection if not for the fact that the game line-up is truly ASS

Invizimals was actually really good
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Nah PSClassic could have been good if they had done what was needed instead of a quick cash grab.

DualShocks
Better selection
NA versions of ROMs
Better emulation
Boarders (SNES Gameboy adaptor had this so nothing new)
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Remember the PS Move, I member.
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If the GameCube had a DVD player the world would be completely different

MICHALECOLE posted...

If the GameCube had a DVD player the world would be completely different

No, Nintendo fell so far behind with the N64, they lost the mid-90s onward.

PS2 won its generation even before it came out because everyone already assumed the successor to the PlayStation would be the one to get.

And I actually got a Gamecube anyway
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DarkRoast posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

If the GameCube had a DVD player the world would be completely different

No, Nintendo fell so far behind with the N64, they lost the mid-90s onward.

PS2 won its generation even before it came out because everyone already assumed the successor to the PlayStation would be the one to get.

And I actually got a Gamecube anyway

imagine thinking any of this is true.

The dvd player sold the ps2.

I was there.
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I don't think Nintendo will ever go for a standard media format. I think even the Wii U used some sort of proprietary Blu-ray lol.
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neverwin posted...

The dvd player sold the ps2.

I was there.

I literally convinced my parents to buy me a PS2 because we didn't have a DVD player at the time.
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Well the Xbox could also double as a DVD player and that didn't make much of an impact. Maybe needing an accessory ruined its potential but that seems extreme.
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Their critical error in both cases was not having Spyro and Crash.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

neverwin posted...

The dvd player sold the ps2.

I was there.

I literally convinced my parents to buy me a PS2 because we didn't have a DVD player at the time.

I was that brat that got every console at launch but 100% the DVD player put the PS2 over the top. It was the first time I had my own DVD player as well

DVD players were expensive in 2000.
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TheDarkCircle posted...

The fact that PS Classic is such a massive fuck up is the biggest head scratcher.

It almost feels like Sony doesn't have as much goodwill from other companies as Nintendo have.

Like, the PS Classic and their take on Smash both heavily relied on 3rd parties going in with them in a big way. The characters offered to them for All-Stars (or whatever it was called) were mainly used for advertisement and not respect of their gaming history as a whole. I sometimes wonder if the PS Classic selection missing so many mega games is another case of these same third-parties just unwilling to throw in with Sony again.

I have no idea why any of that would be the case, though.
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Bringit posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

The fact that PS Classic is such a massive fuck up is the biggest head scratcher.

It almost feels like Sony doesn't have as much goodwill from other companies as Nintendo have.

Like, the PS Classic and their take on Smash both heavily relied on 3rd parties going in with them in a big way. The characters offered to them for All-Stars (or whatever it was called) were mainly used for advertisement and not respect of their gaming history as a whole. I sometimes wonder if the PS Classic selection missing so many mega games is another case of these same third-parties just unwilling to throw in with Sony again.

I have no idea why any of that would be the case, though.

I don't know if it's goodwill or Sony being incredibly cheap with the licensing deals.
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Darmik posted...

I don't know if it's goodwill or Sony being incredibly cheap with the licensing deals.

That could absolutely be the case but it's hard to believe they wouldn't do everything they could to get Cloud in All-Stars when Nintendo apparently would (twice!), despite nobody ever being able to have a legitmate complaint about his absence in Smash.

Hell, I love that he's on the roster but Smash doesn't need Cloud at all. It's difficult to imagine All-Stars ever working without him, by comparison.
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Bringit posted...

Darmik posted...

I don't know if it's goodwill or Sony being incredibly cheap with the licensing deals.

That could absolutely be the case but it's hard to believe they wouldn't do everything they could to get Cloud in All-Stars when Nintendo apparently would (twice!), despite nobody ever being able to have a legitmate complaint about his absence in Smash.

Hell, I love that he's on the roster but Smash doesn't need Cloud at all. It's difficult to imagine All-Stars ever working without him, by comparison.

Cloud does seem to be the most restricted character in Smash Bros. They only have a couple of music tracks for his level. Probably because the soundtrack licensing is ridiculously expensive or because Square-Enix is incredibly protective over FF7.

Tbh both PlayStation All-Stars and the PlayStation Classic seem like low budget affairs so I can believe that's the biggest factor. All-Stars uses powerpoint backgrounds for menus...
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Today, the day after Christmas I hit up two shopping malls. Saw PlayStation classics on sale for 50 bucks, almost bought it, but my head was sorta screwed on straight.
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neverwin posted...

The dvd player sold the ps2.

I was there.

Amazing since I watched DVDs on my Xbox
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ChainedRedone posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

They tried copying Pokemon as well, and also fucked that up:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/psp/960630-invizimals

Copying Pokemon isn't an easy money idea though. Nobody has been able to replicate that.

Yokai Watch exists. Not exactly a global phenomenon but currently bigger than Pokemon in Japan

But yeah Sony likes to copy a lot of things without fully understanding the spirit of things. Smash was like a celebration of all things Nintendo and then moved onto being a celebration of all video games that basically nobody but Sakurai could ever pull off. If PS All Stars was more genuine and a lot more contained in important Sony things rather than just shoving all sorts of shit and trying to be different from Smash for the sake of it, it could've been something they'd do more than once
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legendarylemur posted...

But yeah Sony likes to copy a lot of things without fully understanding the spirit of things. Smash was like a celebration of all things Nintendo and then moved onto being a celebration of all video games that basically nobody but Sakurai could ever pull off. If PS All Stars was more genuine and a lot more contained in important Sony things rather than just shoving all sorts of shit and trying to be different from Smash for the sake of it, it could've been something they'd do more than once

I think that's their biggest issue with both All-Stars and the Classic. People want to feel like the people behind the product actually care.

Weirdly enough their marketing team is pretty damn excellent at it. The PS4 marketing used PS1 nostalgia extremely well.
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Yeah I mean if Smash was about profits, it wouldn't have had a billion trophies that occasionally contained 3D models of things that didn't have 3D models or had a modernized 3D model. It wouldn't have had characters like Pit who didn't get a game for multiple decades look like somebody who's constantly had games made for him by the time he was put into Brawl. Smash Ultimate wouldn't have had like 100+ stages (not counting FD/BF modes) and 800+ songs from all sorts of series.

Game soundtracks sell for like 10-12 bucks for like 30-40 songs. So like even just as an amalgamation of music (in which it has a shitload of original soundtrack and remixes), it's already far exceeded the price point Ultimate is asking for.

Now you can't say the same for PS All-Stars lol
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PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale was a good game, tbh.
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Forgettable posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Copying Pokemon isn't an easy money idea though. Nobody has been able to replicate that.

SMT may not be as big as pokemon but the series and spinoffs are doing quite well.

Well, in that case, SMT predates Pokemon by like a decade. If anything, Pokemon's the more successful copycat.
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Sony just used half an ass this season :(
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It's really sad they fucked up PS classic. I think I could have been convinced to buy one very easily. Seems like they didn't want to compete too hard with PSN downloads which seems foolish.
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