Current Events > Don't believe anyone who tells you that ''SJWs'' are a legitimate problem.

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They are either being willfully dishonest or are simply delusional.

Things you should know about SJWs in reality:

- Most people who would self-identify as a "SJW" are well-meaning and primarily want to make the world a better place for disenfranchised groups. Not all SJWs know how best to achieve their goals, but they aren't malicious.

- The term "SJW" has an inherently positive connotation (referring to a person who fights for increased societal justice), but anti-SJWs have made changed how internet culture at large views the term. There's a good chance that you associate the term with annoying and/or stupid people, but that's only because of propaganda.

- While there are some "SJWs" who are annoying, stupid, or even toxic, these are only a vocal minority that in no way represent the majority of people who seek improved societal justice. And the vast majority of these toxic individuals are mostly harmless.

- "SJWs" are nowhere near as influential towards pop culture trends as anti-SJWs like to suggest. The increased prevalence of progressive ideas in pop culture is a product of a generally more progressive society than what existed in the past, a society where racism, sexism, and bigotry of all forms are much less socially acceptable than they were in the past. "SJWs" are just a small part of a much larger societal trend towards increased societal justice.

Don't let the anti-SJWs convince you that SJWs are a legitimate problem. Don't be intellectually lazy.
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Good topic, there are loud SJWs online who make the whole left look radicals but the huge majority actually are not that way (same could be said for alt-right trolls and conservatives)
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Then why did Kevin Hart have to step down from the oscars tc?
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Already knew this.
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I don't. While there are SJWs the version that people attack and hate is a boogieman, a perfect target that they can attack because they know no one will defend them.
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They're only shown as a "problem" by charlatans trying to squeeze /pol/ types of all their money by yelling at a boogeyman
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Then why did Kevin Hart have to step down from the oscars tc?

Because he made controversial tweets, some people got upset over them (or pretended to get upset), and then proceeded to not apologize for said tweets (or something like that, I don't know all the details). And some people in charge at the Oscars decided that they wouldn't risk having their ratings get hurt over association with the controversy.
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SJW's are annoying but people who complain about the "SJW agenda" in games and movies/TV shows are just as annoying and it's pretty funny that they can't see that.
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creativerealms posted...

I don't. While there are SJWs the version that people attack and hate is a boogieman, a perfect target that they can attack because they know no one will defend them.

Do you believe there is merit in ruining a black man's career because 10 years ago he didn't immediately hop on the progressive train but has sinced changed his view?
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I don't.
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I already know that anyone who whines about the SJW boogieman is an idiot that should never be taken seriously. Just take a look at the people who do it on here for proof

wiiking96 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Then why did Kevin Hart have to step down from the oscars tc?

Because he made controversial tweets, some people got upset over them (or pretended to get upset), and then proceeded to not apologize for said tweets (or something like that, I don't know all the details). And some people in charge at the Oscars decided that they wouldn't risk having their ratings get hurt over association with the controversy.

He did apologize many times.

He also said that 10 years ago.

This is an example where sjw you claim have no power can proceed to ruin a good man for something he said many years ago and has addressed and apologized for...and yet that still don't matter.

Huh
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jborgan posted...

SJW's are annoying but people who complain about the "SJW agenda" in games and movies/TV shows are just as annoying and it's pretty funny that they can't see that.

Troof. Character that isn't a white cishet male = sjw pandering!
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darkphoenix181 posted...

creativerealms posted...

I don't. While there are SJWs the version that people attack and hate is a boogieman, a perfect target that they can attack because they know no one will defend them.

Do you believe there is merit in ruining a black man's career because 10 years ago he didn't immediately hop on the progressive train but has sinced changed his view?

Got a source on that? I highly doubt that most people will even remember this controversy in a few months, and most people who do won't care.
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wiiking96 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

creativerealms posted...

I don't. While there are SJWs the version that people attack and hate is a boogieman, a perfect target that they can attack because they know no one will defend them.

Do you believe there is merit in ruining a black man's career because 10 years ago he didn't immediately hop on the progressive train but has sinced changed his view?

Got a source on that? I highly doubt that most people will even remember this controversy in a few months, and most people who do won't care.

They remembered what he said 10 years ago.

Fyi, this isn't the first time sjw tried to use those tweets to destroy Kevib Hart.

I read an article in 2015 where he addressed those tweets and said he changed his views.

3 years ago

So why in 2018 can he not host the oscars? Explain that.

You are naive if you think it is over and he has nothing to worry about going forward.
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wiiking96 posted...

I highly doubt that most people will even remember this controversy in a few months, and most people who do won't care.

a fundamental issue with many of them is precisely this

a tendency to react to the latest outrage in order to feel good about themselves and/or look good in the eyes of their like-minded peers, and then move on to the next

ongoing issue be damned, nuances be damned, consequences and externalities be damned
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darkphoenix181 posted...

wiiking96 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

creativerealms posted...

I don't. While there are SJWs the version that people attack and hate is a boogieman, a perfect target that they can attack because they know no one will defend them.

Do you believe there is merit in ruining a black man's career because 10 years ago he didn't immediately hop on the progressive train but has sinced changed his view?

Got a source on that? I highly doubt that most people will even remember this controversy in a few months, and most people who do won't care.

They remembered what he said 10 years ago.

Fyi, this isn't the first time sjw tried to use those tweets to destroy Kevib Hart.

I read an article in 2015 where he addressed those tweets and said he changed his views.

3 years ago

So why in 2018 can he not host the oscars? Explain that.

You are naive if you think it is over and he has nothing to worry about going forward.

You claimed that his career was ruined. Please provide a source backing up said claim.
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ZombiePelican posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WgYkMbHBA" data-time="

So, a video where some joker whines about a handful of annoying people on the internet being unreasonable is supposed to prove . . . what, exactly? That some SJWs who are annoying exist and might bug you if you let them?
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Yeah no, TC is clueless. "Please don't believe in the part of my political association that gives you leverage"

Sure thing, will do

Did Kevin Hart still have those tweets up tho?

Any smart celebrity should delete tweets made before a year ago.
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wiiking96 posted...

You claimed that his career was ruined. Please provide a source backing up said claim.

Do you think he will ever be asked to host a show like the oscars ever again?
People will want him in movies knowing a mob gonna protest?
The man is rich so he will be fine, but those opportunities that is the natural evolution of a comedian career are now gone for him. Like that is what comedians do, host award shows.

Also
wiiking96 posted...

or something like that, I don't know all the details).

This is what sjwism boils down to.

You had no idea what he really did or that he apologized, but you were ok with trusting them and calling him a bad person.

Don't trust sjw like op says or you will hurt innocent people.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Yeah no, TC is clueless. "Please don't believe in the part of my political association that gives you leverage"

Sure thing, will do

I'm just a schmuck on the internet who has basic common sense and doesn't desire to belittle groups of people.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

wiiking96 posted...

You claimed that his career was ruined. Please provide a source backing up said claim.

Do you think he will ever be asked to host a show like the oscars ever again?
People will want him in movies knowing a mob gonna protest?
The man is rich so he will be fine, but those opportunities that is the natural evolution of a comedian career are now gone for him. Like that is what comedians do, host award shows.

"I highly doubt that most people will even remember this controversy in a few months, and most people who do won't care."

The idea that "a mob will protest" Kevin Hart over some stupid tweets is utterly laughable.

And you still haven't provided a source.

wiiking96 posted...

or something like that, I don't know all the details).

This is what sjwism boils down to.

You had no idea what he really did or that he apologized, but you were ok with trusting them and calling him a bad person.

Don't trust sjw like op says or you will hurt innocent people.

I didn't say that Kevin Hart was a bad person. I don't even care about Kevin Hart or whatever stupid tweets he made. It all just sounds like one of many pointless stupid controversies that will have no real lasting consequences.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Yeah no, TC is clueless. "Please don't believe in the part of my political association that gives you leverage"

Sure thing, will do

Crowing SJW doesn't give you leverage in any real situation except making normal people roll their eyes and write you off as internet annoyance number 39472629452
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wiiking96 posted...

"I highly doubt that most people will even remember this controversy in a few months, and most people who do won't care."

The idea that "a mob will protest" Kevin Hart over some stupid tweets is utterly laughable.

The reality is it already happened multiple times.

Now you are just being dense.
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Absolutely, unfortunately, this topic will likely get flooded with NPCs.
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wiiking96 posted...

- Most people who would self-identify as a "SJW" are well-meaning and primarily want to make the world a better place for disenfranchised groups. Not all SJWs know how best to achieve their goals, but they aren't malicious.

Most SJWs are people who want leverage in society through a childlike and emotionally unstable attempt to influence the opinions of the masses to treat them as victims. The other chunk of SJWs are those with hyperempathy who vicariously live through the victimhood of others.

wiiking96 posted...

- The term "SJW" has an inherently positive connotation (referring to a person who fights for increased societal justice), but anti-SJWs have made changed how internet culture at large views the term. There's a good chance that you associate the term with annoying and/or stupid people, but that's only because of propaganda.

The term SJW was always used in jest from the beginning, like keyboard warrior or basement warrior. SJWs just went "how is this an insult? I'm glad to fight for social justice!" and completely ignored the connotations of taking things too seriously.

wiiking96 posted...

- While there are some "SJWs" who are annoying, stupid, or even toxic, these are only a vocal minority that in no way represent the majority of people who seek improved societal justice. And the vast majority of these toxic individuals are mostly harmless.

It's completely subjective what you and your opponent consider "vocal" and "stupid". You could draw the lines basically anywhere. It's not a good defense.

wiiking96 posted...

- "SJWs" are nowhere near as influential towards pop culture trends as anti-SJWs like to suggest. The increased prevalence of progressive ideas in pop culture is a product of a generally more progressive society than what existed in the past, a society where racism, sexism, and bigotry of all forms are much less socially acceptable than they were in the past. "SJWs" are just a small part of a much larger societal trend towards increased societal justice.

Here's the thing, it's not just bigotry being less acceptable in media (because outright examples of it were pretty hard to come by depending on how far you go back), it's actively hunting down and eliminating anything that isn't progressive. It's this pervasive idea wholly resembling McCarthyism. It's this sheepish groupthink system of "trendy morals", and that's a philosophy I'm seeing you participate in right now. In this very topic, you are setting out to convince people of the "correct" way to think. Not just arguing a position, but coming in here with an air of "setting things straight".

Axiom posted...

I already know that anyone who whines about the SJW boogieman is an idiot that should never be taken seriously. Just take a look at the people who do it on here for proof

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TC has like no counter argument to anything ITT.
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Kineth posted...

Absolutely, unfortunately, this topic will likely get flooded with NPCs.

What do you make of Kevin Hart Kineth?
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Depending on who you are and what you do, SJW's can either be annoying whiners, or they can be the career ending monsters.

For the average person, they'll just get your degenerate game censored. For an 18 year old girl who wears a culturally insensitive dress, they can be "well-intentioned extremists" that will harass someone a decade younger than them because they'll blow something wildly out of proportion, and if you're a famous person employed by a company that bends to the whims of capitalism, they can get you fired.

To say they're a threat to society is nonsense. They're not. They're a threat to individuals, rightly or wrongly.
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Exetremists are always a problem.

Ignoring them is silly
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darkphoenix181 posted...

wiiking96 posted...

"I highly doubt that most people will even remember this controversy in a few months, and most people who do won't care."

The idea that "a mob will protest" Kevin Hart over some stupid tweets is utterly laughable.

The reality is it already happened multiple times.

Now you are just being dense.

Got a source on that?
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

wiiking96 posted...

- Most people who would self-identify as a "SJW" are well-meaning and primarily want to make the world a better place for disenfranchised groups. Not all SJWs know how best to achieve their goals, but they aren't malicious.

Most SJWs are people who want leverage in society through a childlike and emotionally unstable attempt to influence the opinions of the masses to treat them as victims. The other chunk of SJWs are those with hyperempathy who vicariously live through the victimhood of others.

wiiking96 posted...

- The term "SJW" has an inherently positive connotation (referring to a person who fights for increased societal justice), but anti-SJWs have made changed how internet culture at large views the term. There's a good chance that you associate the term with annoying and/or stupid people, but that's only because of propaganda.

The term SJW was always used in jest from the beginning, like keyboard warrior or basement warrior. SJWs just went "how is this an insult? I'm glad to fight for social justice!" and completely ignored the connotations of taking things too seriously.

wiiking96 posted...

- While there are some "SJWs" who are annoying, stupid, or even toxic, these are only a vocal minority that in no way represent the majority of people who seek improved societal justice. And the vast majority of these toxic individuals are mostly harmless.

It's completely subjective what you and your opponent consider "vocal" and "stupid". You could draw the lines basically anywhere. It's not a good defense.

wiiking96 posted...

- "SJWs" are nowhere near as influential towards pop culture trends as anti-SJWs like to suggest. The increased prevalence of progressive ideas in pop culture is a product of a generally more progressive society than what existed in the past, a society where racism, sexism, and bigotry of all forms are much less socially acceptable than they were in the past. "SJWs" are just a small part of a much larger societal trend towards increased societal justice.

Here's the thing, it's not just bigotry being less acceptable in media (because outright examples of it were pretty hard to come by depending on how far you go back), it's actively hunting down and eliminating anything that isn't progressive. It's this pervasive idea wholly resembling McCarthyism. It's this sheepish groupthink system of "trendy morals", and that's a philosophy I'm seeing you participate in right now. In this very topic, you are setting out to convince people of the "correct" way to think. Not just arguing a position, but coming in here with an air of "setting things straight".

This is some inception level projection here. And its disgusting.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Kineth posted...

Absolutely, unfortunately, this topic will likely get flooded with NPCs.

What do you make of Kevin Hart Kineth?

Why are you asking me that. You want me to ask you what you think about shitty statements said by any random person of your skin color? Get the fuck out of here with that.
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Kineth posted...

This is some inception level projection here. And its disgusting.

Ah yes, accusations of projecting. The intellectual way of saying "no u".

In the words of SJW's

They're problematic.
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Keep in mind, is that most of the people here, on this board, are average people. Trends of outrage do not personally affect them, nor do they affect their ideals. For the average liberal, any wave can be ridden, and any consequence of such a wave to anyone that is famous can be rationalized.

It's the reason why, when James Gunn got fired due to old tweets, and liberals were like "it was a conservative concern trolling" who targeted him, I rolled my eyes, because while it was in bad faith, it was the exact same tactic that liberals would use to get someone punished. Play for play. When Kathy Griffin got blacklisted, same thing.

But at the end of the day, it's w/e. The world changes around you, and you can adapt or die.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Kineth posted...

This is some inception level projection here. And its disgusting.

Ah yes, accusations of projecting. The intellectual way of saying "no u".

Relying on generalizations from the get go. I thought you NPCs were supposed to be tougher to beat.

I'm not wasting my Christmas Eve on this shit.
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Kineth posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Kineth posted...

This is some inception level projection here. And its disgusting.

Ah yes, accusations of projecting. The intellectual way of saying "no u".

Relying on generalizations from the get go. I thought you NPCs were supposed to be tougher to beat.

Oh we're in that stage of the cycle for that word now I guess. Just like snowflake.

@RoboLaserGandhi

You are an excellent example of the type of delusional people that I take issue with. While I'm sure that there are some people in existence who are similar to "people who want leverage in society...", they are much smaller in quantity than you think and are in no way representative of the majority of "SJWs" who genuinely want a more just society. You sound like you've been influenced by anti-SJW propaganda, with this part of your post being key:

it's actively hunting down and eliminating anything that isn't progressive. It's this pervasive idea wholly resembling McCarthyism.

Do you honestly think that these "SJWs" that you so despise have any real power to "hunt down and eliminate" media that they deem unacceptable? Hell, even one of the most notorious individuals that anti-SJWs love to complain about, Anita Sarkeesian, doesn't propose getting rid of video game media containing what she considers problematic messages. Most SJWs just want more media to be made containing progressive messages.
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Kineth posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Kineth posted...

Absolutely, unfortunately, this topic will likely get flooded with NPCs.

What do you make of Kevin Hart Kineth?

Why are you asking me that. You want me to ask you what you think about shitty statements said by any random person of your skin color? Get the fuck out of here with that.

I was talking about K Hart before you posted.

So you think he deserves to be barred from award shows because of his shitty statements?
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Most people who would self-identify as a "SJW" are well-meaning and primarily want to make the world a better place

Yeah... stopped reading here, the smell of bullshit was just too overpowering.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Most people who would self-identify as a "SJW" are well-meaning and primarily want to make the world a better place

Yeah... stopped reading here, the smell of bullshit was just too overpowering.

Tell me, do you identify as an anti-SJW yourself, or have you just been convinced by anti-SJWs that SJWs are a problem?
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I'm still waiting to hear who's career or life got ruined by the "evil ESS JAY DUBS". Surely if this was as big of an issue that people think it is there'd be a decent list of people out there already instead of pretending guys like Kevin Harts life is ruined because he's not hosting an award show.
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wiiking96 posted...

@RoboLaserGandhi

You are an excellent example of the type of delusional people that I take issue with. While I'm sure that there are some people in existence who are similar to "people who want leverage in society...", they are much smaller in quantity than you think and are in no way representative of the majority of "SJWs" who genuinely want a more just society. You sound like you've been influenced by anti-SJW propaganda, with this part of your post being key:

it's actively hunting down and eliminating anything that isn't progressive. It's this pervasive idea wholly resembling McCarthyism.

Do you honestly think that these "SJWs" that you so despise have any real power to "hunt down and eliminate" media that they deem unacceptable? Hell, even one of the most notorious individuals that anti-SJWs love to complain about, Anita Sarkeesian, doesn't propose getting rid of video game media containing what she considers problematic messages. Most SJWs just want more media to be made containing progressive messages.

Yeah I know you take issue with my type because we're the ones with enough mental aptitude to debate you without going "hurrrr SJWs!!!" at every instance. Change of pace for you, difficult to adapt to. I get it.

Again, the heart of this argument all comes down to just where you draw the line on what constitutes an SJW and how you measure the vocality of extremists, so I really won't bother with that part. I could tell you that SJWs actually do something and you could just come back and say those are the vocal minority.

But when you give me a specific example like Anita Sarkeesian, I can debate that for sure. Her videos basically read like a college freshman assignment to take issue with a random subject and argue it. Her videos are all about taking issue with specific instances, not "wanting more media to be made containing progressive messages". And she has been monumentally influential in the video game industry in seeding these ideas.