Current Events > Fallout 76 4th in NPD for November despite being a shit game...

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https://www.vg247.com/2018/12/19/npd-november-2018-red-dead-redemption-2-switch/

God fucking damnit. I wish people would do even the slightest bit of research into a game. There's no reason for Bethesda to even feel bad about it now. This game made them shit tons of money for barely any fucking work. Once you buy it, they've made their money.
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reeee the game i know absolutely nothing about except for what the clickbait youtube videos told me is selling decently reeeee
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Well it was half price 1 week after launch
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That's...actually not that impressive considering how few AAA releases there were in November
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bethesda fans enjoying being cucked

Meanwhile Hitman 2 didn't make the top 20.

We get the games we deserve because those are the games that are bought the most.

Middle hope posted...

Well it was half price 1 week after launch

NPD is ordered by revenue.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's...actually not that impressive considering how few AAA releases there were in November

Err it was a huge month for software sales
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's...actually not that impressive considering how few AAA releases there were in November

Red Dead Redemption 2, Black Ops 4, Battlefield 5, Pokemon Let's Go.... yeah, nothing good out in November. =/
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Im still interesting in FO76 but Im not picking it up until its under 20 bucks.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's...actually not that impressive considering how few AAA releases there were in November

Red Dead Redemption 2, Black Ops 4, Battlefield 5, Pokemon Let's Go.... yeah, nothing good out in November. =/

Red Dead 2 and Black Ops 4 both came out in October fam
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Red Dead Redemption 2, Black Ops 4, Battlefield 5, Pokemon Let's Go.... yeah, nothing good out in November. =/

And most of those were beating 76.
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cjsdowg posted...

And most of those were beating 76.

They always would have.
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Pokemon would have beat them if it wasn't two games, and the other stuff have been out longer. So they got a good push with per-orders. If they were doing so well they would not be 39 dollars right now. So they beat games that were already out ... that is not a win.

If they didn't have the fallout name with it then , they would not have done that.
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Also, keep in mind that Pokemon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu are Switch exclusive titles and they're not even mainline Pokemon games, plus it's a dual-release so sales will naturally be cut in half, so of course they're going to sell less than a multiplatform, unless I'm missing something.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's...actually not that impressive considering how few AAA releases there were in November

Red Dead Redemption 2, Black Ops 4, Battlefield 5, Pokemon Let's Go.... yeah, nothing good out in November. =/

Red Dead 2 and Black Ops 4 both came out in October fam

Red Dead at the end of the month. There was huge competition in November and they deliver a shit game that barely operates and still made it into the Top 5. It's fucking ludicrous.

Say what you want about something like Madden making the Top 5 in a month, at least the game fucking works.
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cjsdowg posted...

Pokemon would have beat them if it wasn't two games, and the other stuff have been out longer. So they got a good push with per-orders. If they were doing so well they would not be 39 dollars right now. So they beat games that were already out ... that is not a win.

If they didn't have the fallout name with it then , they would not have done that.

You know Pokemon is one of the biggest video game franchises around right?

Being beaten by the competition doesn't make them a failure. Failing to make money makes them a failure. They made a lot of money.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Red Dead at the end of the month.

Red Dead released like a whole 4 weeks before 76 though.

I'd imagine most of the people that wanted it either bought it close to release or are gonna try to get it for Christmas.

Not to mention 76 went half-price for Black Friday, so that probably helped it a bit.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Red Dead at the end of the month.

Red Dead released like a whole 4 weeks before 76 though.

I'd imagine most of the people that wanted it either bought it close to release or are gonna try to get it for Christmas.

Not to mention 76 went half-price for Black Friday, so that probably helped it a bit.

NPD's count total money earned, not copies sold. So dropping the price likely hurt their NPD's, or at least balanced out.

It's part of the reason most 3DS games never made the Top 10 even if they sold like gangbusters, since they are less expensive.
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Oh yeah I forgot that this ranking doesn't include digital sales for Fallout 76 as well.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Red Dead at the end of the month.

Red Dead released like a whole 4 weeks before 76 though.

I'd imagine most of the people that wanted it either bought it close to release or are gonna try to get it for Christmas.

Not to mention 76 went half-price for Black Friday, so that probably helped it a bit.

Umm it's a Rockstar game. It's going to keep outselling games for a long time.
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Darmik posted...

Oh yeah I forgot that this ranking doesn't include digital sales for Fallout 76 as well.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Red Dead at the end of the month.

Red Dead released like a whole 4 weeks before 76 though.

I'd imagine most of the people that wanted it either bought it close to release or are gonna try to get it for Christmas.

Not to mention 76 went half-price for Black Friday, so that probably helped it a bit.

Umm it's a Rockstar game. It's going to keep outselling games for a long time.

GTA 5 is still in the Top 20. It has never left the Top 20 for one month since release.
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Darmik posted...

You know Pokemon is one of the biggest video game franchises around right?

Being beaten by the competition doesn't make them a failure. Failing to make money makes them a failure. They made a lot of money.

And like it or not they give people quality products that shit that doesn't work. They beat games who have been out on the market for a some time, and now are cutting the price because people are not paying it that much now. So yeah this shit is failing .
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The NPD Analysts expect it to drop like a rock next month. Also don't forget this is North America alone.
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cjsdowg posted...

Darmik posted...

You know Pokemon is one of the biggest video game franchises around right?

Being beaten by the competition doesn't make them a failure. Failing to make money makes them a failure. They made a lot of money.

And like it or not they give people quality products that shit that doesn't work. They beat games who have been out on the market for a some time, and now are cutting the price because people are not paying it that much now. So yeah this shit is failing .

Or they dropped the price to be aggressive in a competitive market and because the game has microtransactions so they're willing to take the hit.

Hitman 2 also dropped the price and it is nowhere to be seen. That's a game that failed.

November is one of the biggest months of the year for games. You don't rank in the top 5 and be failing to make money. If that was the case the video game industry would be failing.
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Wow, total shock that gamers can't help themselves and refrain from buying Bethesda's crap. Total surprise move.
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cjsdowg posted...

Pokemon would have beat them if it wasn't two games, and the other stuff have been out longer. So they got a good push with per-orders. If they were doing so well they would not be 39 dollars right now. So they beat games that were already out ... that is not a win.

If they didn't have the fallout name with it then , they would not have done that.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Also, keep in mind that Pokemon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu are Switch exclusive titles and they're not even mainline Pokemon games, plus it's a dual-release so sales will naturally be cut in half, so of course they're going to sell less than a multiplatform, unless I'm missing something.

According to Mat Piscatella Pokemon would only be third place even if combined.

I'm also not sure I buy the Pokemon excuse considering combined Sun/Moon were number 1 for their month, and they are HALF the price of LGPE. But yeah that still doesn't mean the game isn't successful. It still has the second highest Switch debut after all.
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Darmik posted...

Or they dropped the price to be aggressive in a competitive market and because the game has microtransactions so they're willing to take the hit.

So fuck the people who got it when it first game out. That is a great business model you are supporting there.
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Darmik posted...

Umm it's a Rockstar game. It's going to keep outselling games for a long time.

Of course. But what I'm getting at is that for all of the people that already bought RDR2 prior to the release of Fallout 76, there wasn't really much competing with Fallout 76.

The Pokemon games were Switch exclusives while Fallout 76 is on PS4 and Xbox One so they're not in direct competition.
Battlefield V had its own controversy to deal with.

And two of the other big releases for that month were Remastered Collections, one for a game series that isn't really relevant anymore.
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cjsdowg posted...

Darmik posted...

Or they dropped the price to be aggressive in a competitive market and because the game has microtransactions so they're willing to take the hit.

So fuck the people who got it when it first game out. That is a great business model you are supporting there.

Where did I say I'm supporting it? I called it aggressive.

Most games this holiday did it. Only the Nintendo games, BLOPSIIII and RDR2 avoided it as far as I know.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

According to Mat Piscatella Pokemon would only be third place even if combined.

If that's the case then it still beat out Fallout 76, meaning the only games that Fallout 76 beat out were the Spyro Reignited Trilogy and the three sports games that came out in the fall.
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Bethesda always wins, baby!
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

According to Mat Piscatella Pokemon would only be third place even if combined.

If that's the case then it still beat out Fallout 76, meaning the only games that Fallout 76 beat out were the Spyro Reignited Trilogy and the three sports games that came out in the fall.

Still the third best Fallout launch ever, according to Piscatella.
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Kitt posted...

Bethesda always wins, baby!

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

According to Mat Piscatella Pokemon would only be third place even if combined.

If that's the case then it still beat out Fallout 76, meaning the only games that Fallout 76 beat out were the Spyro Reignited Trilogy and the three sports games that came out in the fall.

And Hitman 2
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People who play games will eat up whatever slop is thrown in the pigpen if shown on TV enough.
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Gamers are easy-to-fleece rubes
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Everyone ITT not acknowledging that Hitman 2 came out in November should...Feel bad or something
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Antifar posted...

Everyone ITT not acknowledging that Hitman 2 came out in November should...Feel bad or something

Hitman has always been niche. I don't think it's ever been even in the Top 10 for NPD's.

I love the games, but... yeah.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

According to Mat Piscatella Pokemon would only be third place even if combined.

If that's the case then it still beat out Fallout 76, meaning the only games that Fallout 76 beat out were the Spyro Reignited Trilogy and the three sports games that came out in the fall.

Still the third best Fallout launch ever, according to Piscatella.

But the Fallout franchise didn't really blow up in popularity until 3, and there's only been 4 games since then.
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Gamers tend to be really bad at putting their money where their mouth is. They will complain up and down about a game that's looking to be bad, but will buy it anyway and still complain.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Antifar posted...

Everyone ITT not acknowledging that Hitman 2 came out in November should...Feel bad or something

Hitman has always been niche. I don't think it's ever been even in the Top 10 for NPD's.

I love the games, but... yeah.

Hitman Absolution sold 3.6 million in its first few months. It was considered a sales disappointment for Square-Enix at the time.

We know from the UK retail release that Hitman 2 was 90% down from Absolution. Things are looking dire for the franchise now unfortunately.
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Darmik posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Antifar posted...

Everyone ITT not acknowledging that Hitman 2 came out in November should...Feel bad or something

Hitman has always been niche. I don't think it's ever been even in the Top 10 for NPD's.

I love the games, but... yeah.

Hitman Absolution sold 3.6 million in its first few months. It was considered a sales disappointment for Square-Enix at the time.

We know from the UK retail release that Hitman 2 was 90% down from Absolution. Things are looking dire for the franchise now unfortunately.

Companies have to do better with their budgeting, advertising.
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I don't think budgeting and advertising would save it. Basically every immersive sim game this generation has flopped.

A lot of gamers don't want to admit it but EA's comment about single player games was right.
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Darmik posted...

I don't think budgeting and advertising would save it. Basically every immersive sim game this generation has flopped.

A lot of gamers don't want to admit it but EA's comment about single player games was right.

Witcher 3 is one of the best selling games of the generation... it's not impossible to make a single player game do well.

Again, Hitman is a niche, and has always been a niche title. Even the power of Square-Enix and all their advertising didn't push it into impressive numbers.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Darmik posted...

I don't think budgeting and advertising would save it. Basically every immersive sim game this generation has flopped.

A lot of gamers don't want to admit it but EA's comment about single player games was right.

Witcher 3 is one of the best selling games of the generation... it's not impossible to make a single player game do well.

Again, Hitman is a niche, and has always been a niche title. Even the power of Square-Enix and all their advertising didn't push it into impressive numbers.

3.7 million in the first few months isn't niche. But it was also 6 years ago.

EA's comment was 'linear single player games aren't as popular as they were 5, 10 years ago'

Which isn't wrong unfortunately.
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Darmik posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Darmik posted...

I don't think budgeting and advertising would save it. Basically every immersive sim game this generation has flopped.

A lot of gamers don't want to admit it but EA's comment about single player games was right.

Witcher 3 is one of the best selling games of the generation... it's not impossible to make a single player game do well.

Again, Hitman is a niche, and has always been a niche title. Even the power of Square-Enix and all their advertising didn't push it into impressive numbers.

3.7 million in the first few months isn't niche. But it was also 6 years ago.

EA's comment was 'linear single player games aren't as popular as they were 5, 10 years ago'

Which isn't wrong unfortunately.

God of War has sold over 5 million copies, Spider-Man is almost at 6 million copies. Since last year, Star Wars Battlefront 2 combined has sold maybe 6.5 million copies.

Make a good game and it sells, doesn't matter if it's multiplayer, single player, online always, etc. etc.
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Reis posted...

bethesda fans enjoying being cucked

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Only game that's close to being linear is God of War. That ended up being a huge 30 hour game with a shitload of side content and is one of the highest reviewed games of all time. Spider-man is an open world game and Battlefront 2 is a multiplayer game.

Hitman 2 is a good game and it isn't selling. Prey, Dishonored 2 and Wolfenstein 2 were all good and they didn't sell. Even the last two Tomb Raider games were solid and they didn't sell too well.

In order to be a single player game that sells well you basically need to be a critically acclaimed open world game or an entry of a long, established IP.

That's basically the definition of being less popular than a decade ago.

Meanwhile Fallout 76 is a buggy mess that still sells because it's got multiplayer.
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Oh yeah, definitely you can make a worse game that is online and more people will buy it. It gets you sales without needing to be amazing.
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Darmik posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

According to Mat Piscatella Pokemon would only be third place even if combined.

If that's the case then it still beat out Fallout 76, meaning the only games that Fallout 76 beat out were the Spyro Reignited Trilogy and the three sports games that came out in the fall.

And Hitman 2

TBF everything beat Hitman 2 lol.

I feel bad for IO. They definitely deserved better than this.

Darmik posted...

Only game that's close to being linear is God of War. That ended up being a huge 30 hour game with a shitload of side content and is one of the highest reviewed games of all time. Spider-man is an open world game and Battlefront 2 is a multiplayer game.

Hitman 2 is a good game and it isn't selling. Prey, Dishonored 2 and Wolfenstein 2 were all good and they didn't sell. Even the last two Tomb Raider games were solid and they didn't sell too well.

In order to be a single player game that sells well you basically need to be a critically acclaimed open world game or an entry of a long, established IP.

That's basically the definition of being less popular than a decade ago.

Meanwhile Fallout 76 is a buggy mess that still sells because it's got multiplayer.

To the credit of those games they're all over a million units sold now. Fallout might get there as well, but I imagine it'd have one heck of a hard time reaching it. Like I said, Piscatella expects it to drop hard very soon. And bad word of mouth will only hurt it even more.
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