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A_Good_Boy
12/19/18 3:00:32 PM
#153:


Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 3:00:43 PM
#154:


If cops don't have a 'duty to protect,' will liberals FINALLY stop saying we don't need guns because we have cops?

Seriously, you can't disarm the populace AND say the cops don't need to protect you.
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CADE FOSTER
12/19/18 3:02:28 PM
#155:


Cops wear vests and have guns and are trained where as most of these shooters are losers with guns cowardice tbh he could have saved alot of those kids
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 3:03:01 PM
#156:


JE19426 posted...
Becaause he's saying the assertions could could support liability for Peterson. If the assertions aren't true they couldn't support liability for Peterson.

Could you rephrase that?
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JE19426
12/19/18 3:03:50 PM
#157:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Could you rephrase that?


Why? What part is unclear?
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 3:08:54 PM
#158:


JE19426 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Could you rephrase that?


Why? What part is unclear?

The first sentence is just a paraphrasing of the quote.

The second sentence is a nonsequitur.

None of it explains how I might somehow think he thinks this is definitely true.
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JE19426
12/19/18 3:12:18 PM
#159:


Webmaster4531 posted...
The second sentence is a nonsequitur.


Really? You think an assertation that isn't true can support anything?
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 3:17:52 PM
#160:


JE19426 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
The second sentence is a nonsequitur.


Really? You think an assertation that isn't true can support anything?

Yes, your sentence really is a nonsequitur.

Answer to the second question is no.
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 3:18:31 PM
#161:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I mean. If cops don't have to protect people then what's the point in paying for them with our taxes.

Seems like wasteful spending.

You really think we shouldn't have police forces?

If they literally don't have to do their job, there's no point in having them.
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JE19426
12/19/18 3:20:36 PM
#162:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Yes, your sentence really is a nonsequitur.

Answer to the second question is no.


You are contradicting yourself right here.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 3:20:54 PM
#163:


JE19426 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Yes, your sentence really is a nonsequitur.

Answer to the second question is no.


You are contradicting yourself right here.

How?
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JE19426
12/19/18 3:24:47 PM
#164:


Webmaster4531 posted...
How?


Because you are trying to say that this is a nonsequitur:

If the assertions aren't true they couldn't support liability for Peterson.


While also saying that an assertion that isn't true can't support anything.

Those are two statements contradict each other.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 3:44:47 PM
#165:


JE19426 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
How?


Because you are trying to say that this is a nonsequitur:

If the assertions aren't true they couldn't support liability for Peterson.


While also saying that an assertion that isn't true can't support anything.

Those are two statements contradict each other.

Took me a while to see your misunderstanding

I'm not saying that "They couldn't support liability for Peterson" is a nonsequitur to "If the assertions aren't true."

Your previous statement said

"Because he's saying the assertions could support liability for Peterson."
Before
"If the assertions aren't true they couldn't support liability for Peterson."

Still have no idea what you're trying to say
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tremain07
12/19/18 3:46:47 PM
#166:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?

To protect local government officials and assets
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JE19426
12/19/18 3:48:16 PM
#167:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Took me a while to see your misunderstanding

I'm not saying that "They couldn't support liability for Peterson" is a nonsequitur to "If the assertions aren't true."


So what is my nonsequitur.

Your previous statement said

"Because he's saying the assertions could support liability for Peterson."
Before
"If the assertions aren't true they couldn't support liability for Peterson."

Still have no idea what you're trying to say


What part of those statements are confusing you? They seem pretty clear to me.
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 3:52:58 PM
#168:


tremain07 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?

To protect local government officials and assets

According to the judge, cops are only duty-bound to protect criminals.
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Tmaster148
12/19/18 3:54:09 PM
#169:


darkjedilink posted...
tremain07 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?

To protect local government officials and assets

According to the judge, cops are only duty-bound to protect criminals.


That's being a bit disengious. The judge said anyone in their custody. Which can be criminals but not always.
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 3:57:23 PM
#170:


Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
tremain07 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?

To protect local government officials and assets

According to the judge, cops are only duty-bound to protect criminals.

That's being a bit disengious. The judge said anyone in their custody. Which can be criminals but not always.

Who else would be in their custody, other than mental patients?
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Tmaster148
12/19/18 3:58:52 PM
#171:


darkjedilink posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
tremain07 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?

To protect local government officials and assets

According to the judge, cops are only duty-bound to protect criminals.

That's being a bit disengious. The judge said anyone in their custody. Which can be criminals but not always.

Who else would be in their custody, other than mental patients?


You do know the police can arrest innocent people.
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Thaddeus_J_Pibb
12/19/18 3:59:33 PM
#172:


American cops are the biggest fucking cowards on planet.

Maybe if whoever called in the shooting had said the shooter was black they would've actually done something instead of kicking back jerking each other off saying "Lets just see how this plays out"
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 4:02:36 PM
#173:


Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
tremain07 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?

To protect local government officials and assets

According to the judge, cops are only duty-bound to protect criminals.

That's being a bit disengious. The judge said anyone in their custody. Which can be criminals but not always.

Who else would be in their custody, other than mental patients?

You do know the police can arrest innocent people.

And you do know that doesn't help the point AT ALL right?
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Tmaster148
12/19/18 4:04:46 PM
#174:


darkjedilink posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
tremain07 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cops aren't required to protect people.
Cops aren't required to follow their training or department policies.
Cops aren't required to understand the laws they're enforcing.

Just what exactly is the point of having cops?

To protect local government officials and assets

According to the judge, cops are only duty-bound to protect criminals.

That's being a bit disengious. The judge said anyone in their custody. Which can be criminals but not always.

Who else would be in their custody, other than mental patients?

You do know the police can arrest innocent people.

And you do know that doesn't help the point AT ALL right?


It does. When police arrest someone they have 24 hours (in normal situations) to charge the person with a crime or let them go. And even if a criminal charge is made that requires a court of law to declare you guilty.

Essentially as far as law is concerned people under police custody by arrest are innocent.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 4:36:14 PM
#176:


JE19426 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Took me a while to see your misunderstanding

I'm not saying that "They couldn't support liability for Peterson" is a nonsequitur to "If the assertions aren't true."


So what is my nonsequitur.

Your previous statement said

"Because he's saying the assertions could support liability for Peterson."
Before
"If the assertions aren't true they couldn't support liability for Peterson."

Still have no idea what you're trying to say


What part of those statements are confusing you? They seem pretty clear to me.

It's doesn't prove that I said Hutchinson said the statements are definitely true.

He said they could be true that Peterson is liable. He'd say it was impossible if it was impossible. Peterson being liable would be impossible if Peterson was doing what he was supposed to.
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P4wn4g3
12/19/18 4:39:38 PM
#177:


Tmaster148 posted...
I mean. If cops don't have to protect people then what's the point in paying for them with our taxes.

Seems like wasteful spending.

They don't. And I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly. They respond to crimes, they don't intervene.

Unfortunately we don't have much in the way of alternatives.
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JE19426
12/19/18 5:01:16 PM
#178:


Webmaster4531 posted...
It's doesn't prove that I said Hutchinson said the statements are definitely true.

He said they could be true that Peterson is liable. He'd say it was impossible if it was impossible. Peterson being liable would be impossible if Peterson was doing what he was supposed to.


Ah, contradicting yourself again.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 5:19:43 PM
#179:


Guess, I have to ask how again.
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 5:20:47 PM
#180:


P4wn4g3 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I mean. If cops don't have to protect people then what's the point in paying for them with our taxes.

Seems like wasteful spending.

They don't. And I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly. They respond to crimes, they don't intervene.

Unfortunately we don't have much in the way of alternatives.

We most certainly do - it's called the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 5:22:41 PM
#181:


darkjedilink posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I mean. If cops don't have to protect people then what's the point in paying for them with our taxes.

Seems like wasteful spending.

They don't. And I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly. They respond to crimes, they don't intervene.

Unfortunately we don't have much in the way of alternatives.

We most certainly do - it's called the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

That only works until the cops shoot you.
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JE19426
12/19/18 5:30:50 PM
#182:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Guess, I have to ask how again.


Because you are claiming:

It's doesn't prove that I said Hutchinson said the statements are definitely true.


and

He said they could be true that Peterson is liable. He'd say it was impossible if it was impossible. Peterson being liable would be impossible if Peterson was doing what he was supposed to.


Which are contradictory positions. If Peterson was doing what he was told he wouldn't be negligent.
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The Catgirl Fondler
12/19/18 5:45:33 PM
#183:


Pigs gonna squeal and hide.
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TheY2AProblem
12/19/18 5:49:10 PM
#184:


I guess to protect and serve is just a suggestion now.
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Tmaster148
12/19/18 5:51:57 PM
#185:


TheY2AProblem posted...
I guess to protect and serve is just a suggestion now.


I wouldn't say it's a suggestion anymore. We're basically saying "you don't have to protect people if you don't want to."
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P4wn4g3
12/19/18 6:07:56 PM
#186:


darkjedilink posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I mean. If cops don't have to protect people then what's the point in paying for them with our taxes.

Seems like wasteful spending.

They don't. And I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly. They respond to crimes, they don't intervene.

Unfortunately we don't have much in the way of alternatives.

We most certainly do - it's called the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Probably the dumbest thing I've seen you say
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Nepsy
12/19/18 6:08:54 PM
#187:


Libs complain all the time when the Police do their jobs though
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 6:24:36 PM
#188:


JE19426 posted...
If Peterson was doing what he was told he wouldn't be negligent.

Yet the expert says he could be liable.
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JE19426
12/19/18 6:29:57 PM
#189:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Yet the expert says he could be liable.


If he was negligent. The key part being if.
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dave_is_slick
12/19/18 6:32:13 PM
#190:


JE19426 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Yet the expert says he could be liable.


If he was negligent. The key part being if.

Are you just not reading?
Webmaster4531 posted...
Yet the expert says he could be liable.

Pretty sure that was always implied.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 6:33:22 PM
#191:


JE19426 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Yet the expert says he could be liable.


If he was negligent. The key part being if.

He never said if.
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Uncle Choad
12/19/18 6:36:06 PM
#192:


So do we protest for or against the police now? Instructions please.
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JE19426
12/19/18 6:39:33 PM
#193:


Webmaster4531 posted...
He never said if.


He said the assertions could mean Peterson was liable, one of the assertions is that Peterson is liable, if Peterson wasn't liable clearly that assertion isn't true.

dave_is_slick posted...
Are you just not reading?


Yes I'm reading, try doing it yourself, and not just jumping in the middle of the conversation.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 6:39:34 PM
#194:


Uncle Choad posted...
So do we protest for or against the police now? Instructions please.

Call your representative and ask them to make an amendment to the constitution requiring police to protect and serve.
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Webmaster4531
12/19/18 6:40:48 PM
#195:


JE19426 posted...
Yes I'm reading, try doing it yourself, and not just jumping in the middle of the conversation.

That's hypocritical. You weren't at the beginning.
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dave_is_slick
12/19/18 6:41:29 PM
#196:


JE19426 posted...
Yes I'm reading, try doing it yourself, and not just jumping in the middle of the conversation.

It's funny how mad people get when you point something out and then assume that you haven't been following along.
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Dark_SilverX
12/19/18 6:43:33 PM
#197:


NinjaWarrior455 posted...
America!!!!!

Land of the free. Utopia for our Lord Trump.
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JE19426
12/19/18 6:46:07 PM
#198:


Webmaster4531 posted...
That's hypocritical. You weren't at the beginning.


I've read the full conversation.

dave_is_slick posted...
It's funny how mad people get when you point something out and then assume that you haven't been following along.


I'm not mad, I'm just given you advice. It's quite clear you haven't followed the conversation, in fact right there in post 191, Webmaster says the "if" isn't there.

Edit: I put "post 196" instead of "post 191". I don't know how I did that. I've fixed it now.
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Lil_Bit83
12/19/18 6:53:48 PM
#199:


Tmaster148 posted...
I mean. If cops don't have to protect people then what's the point in paying for them with our taxes.

Seems like wasteful spending.


This. Their job is to hold up the law and protect the populace. Any little kid could tell you that. I guess this judge missed the memo.
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Crepes
12/19/18 6:55:31 PM
#200:


To Protect and Serve*
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*Unless its a real scary situation and were too cowardly to act.
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P4wn4g3
12/19/18 6:56:48 PM
#201:


Yeah I don't know why "Too protect and serve" is their thing, that's literally the thing they don't ever do.
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Lil_Bit83
12/19/18 6:59:06 PM
#202:


butthole666 posted...
It make sense for a lone cop to not run in to an active shooter situation. It make them a shit cop, but its a human response. The problem here is making that legal precent.

This

Offworlder1 posted...
neither the constitution or state law impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect induvidual persons from harm even when they know the harm will occur

Is an absolutely terrifying and abhorrent thing to have on the books and this judge should be ashamed for his gross incompetence and irresponsible ruling


This is true. I'm just saying that the judge thinking that the police force isn't there to protect the innocent in whatever ways they can, is a dumb statement.
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---Devin---
12/20/18 1:13:05 AM
#205:


I'm fucking done.

So you are literally telling me, Cops do not even have to protect people? It's dumb as shit at this point. Citizens pay their salary and they don't have to do shit? It's all subjective?

So they're here for,

Give stupid ass traffic tickets for going 5-10 over the speed limit. You have a whole ass FUCKING STATE PATROL who do this shit.
Get people for harmless drugs like weed
Provoke and Harass people
Ignore or take prolonged time to get to "crime in progress".
Kill innocent people and get away with it

Exactly what the fuck do they get paid to do at this point? I'm sick of this shit now. Ever since fucking Columbine you had this shit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immediate_Action_Rapid_Deployment
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