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Wetterdew
12/11/18 6:09:37 PM
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Do you acknowledge adoptive parents as parents, or do refuse to give them that recognition.
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KobeSystem
12/11/18 6:19:11 PM
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I honestly dont even know what's the big deal for those who refuse to do it. Like if my name is Lindsey but I much prefer my nickname, you're going out of your way to annoy me by calling me Lindsey. Amplify that x100 and people will go from annoyed to pissed
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alt_no_1_loves
12/11/18 6:22:16 PM
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"Treat others how you want to be treated. Unless they're different from how you experience the world. Then, fuck em." - Jesus
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
12/11/18 6:36:24 PM
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I don't have a problem using he/she as they might prefer, but anyone expecting ze/zer/xe/xer or any of those other fictional 63 genders can fuck right off, I'm not in the mood to try and memorize everybody's snowflake of choice.
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Patty_Fleur
12/11/18 7:22:54 PM
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I love trans people. Especially trans women with big dicks
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Vicious_Dios
12/11/18 7:28:21 PM
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Wetterdew posted...
Do you acknowledge adoptive parents as parents, or do refuse to give them that recognition.


Parents as in legal guardians, yes. Not biological.
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fusespliff
12/11/18 7:31:40 PM
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
I don't have a problem using he/she as they might prefer, but anyone expecting ze/zer/xe/xer or any of those other fictional 63 genders can fuck right off, I'm not in the mood to try and memorize everybody's snowflake of choice.


My stance to a T. You can include singular they/them in that list for me as well.
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pauIie
12/11/18 7:32:12 PM
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alt_no_1_loves posted...
"Treat others how you want to be treated. Unless they're different from how you experience the world. Then, fuck em." - Jesus

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Lorenzo_2003
12/11/18 8:02:02 PM
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When you demand someone speaks or otherwise behaves in a specific way to satisfy yourself, that is entitlement. You are not owed obedience from others. If you don't like that, well, you can choose to not interact with that person as you see fit.
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iClockwork
12/11/18 8:02:44 PM
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Wetterdew posted...
Do you acknowledge adoptive parents as parents

Not their biological parents, no.
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refmon
12/11/18 8:03:02 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
You are not owed obedience from others.

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PleaseClap
12/11/18 8:03:58 PM
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inb4 "well hurr durr can I force someone to call me napoleon?"
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Taxer
12/11/18 8:04:52 PM
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Just call everyone comrade
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SmidgeIsntBack
12/11/18 8:05:37 PM
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In this instance, it would be like not even acknowledging they're parents at all, so idk why folks are hanging onto the biological side.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/11/18 8:06:58 PM
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I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.
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Duncanwii
12/11/18 8:09:37 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
You are not owed obedience from others. If you don't like that, well, you can choose to not interact with that person as you see fit.

Yes lets try that with teachers and authority figures that will work well.
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andel
12/11/18 8:09:45 PM
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it is basic human decency to refer to people as what they identify as and present themselves as. the zhe/zer shit is dumb for sure and no one should have to accommodate that but it's not hard to just use the correct he/her/they pronoun
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gunplagirl
12/11/18 8:12:10 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh
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GreatEvilEmpire
12/11/18 8:12:29 PM
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He and She. Thats it. If you are a transwoman and you want be called a she, Ill use she. If you expect me to use something else that sounds made up like Zir, then fuck off.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/11/18 8:13:57 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh


I used they because I am talking about a theoretical person that could be either.
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MARKINGRAM22
12/11/18 8:19:27 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
He and She. Thats it. If you are a transwoman and you want be called a she, Ill use she. If you expect me to use something else that sounds made up like Zir, then fuck off.


This. People take this and act like people don't accept people with body dismorphia, and don't believe trans people isn't a thing that has existed throughout history. Some frumpy white girl that wants oppression points and takes on a fake gender not based in reality and pretends to be going through the same as someone with body dismorphia is a different thing. I'm not talking about people that feel between genders either, but there are people that do this completely based in far left ideology and for oppression points.

The idea of choosing between 1000 fake gender identity's a luxury for privileged Marxists in first world nations. Pointing this out doesn't mean people don't recognize actual trans people, and it also doesn't mean that those people shouldn't be allowed to do it either, I just think it is ridiculous.
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NotWhiteNinja
12/11/18 8:20:46 PM
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
I don't have a problem using he/she as they might prefer, but anyone expecting ze/zer/xe/xer or any of those other fictional 63 genders can fuck right off, I'm not in the mood to try and memorize everybody's snowflake of choice.

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Lorenzo_2003
12/11/18 8:21:10 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
You are not owed obedience from others. If you don't like that, well, you can choose to not interact with that person as you see fit.

Yes lets try that with teachers and authority figures that will work well.


You know that you do not have to comply to a teacher's command and even law enforcement's, except under certain circumstances such as an arrest, right? You know you can even homeschool a student and maintain silence in a law enforcement interrogation, for example, right?
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Medussa
12/11/18 8:23:52 PM
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trans people don't have BDD (or at least, not any more often than everybody else)

so, if you're going to rant again about how different things are different, maybe you should do a little more learning first.
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ekie
12/11/18 8:24:47 PM
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KobeSystem posted...
I honestly dont even know what's the big deal for those who refuse to do it. Like if my name is Lindsey but I much prefer my nickname, you're going out of your way to annoy me by calling me Lindsey. Amplify that x100 and people will go from annoyed to pissed


Depends. if you're going to try to ask me to call you "big Daddy bubble gum" then I'm going to say shut the hell up Lindsay
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gunplagirl
12/11/18 8:27:55 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh


I used they because I am talking about a theoretical person that could be either.


Yes, a person of undetermined gender

A single, individual

And you don't see the issue
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RoboLaserGandhi
12/11/18 8:30:44 PM
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This topic is dumb.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/11/18 8:33:16 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh


I used they because I am talking about a theoretical person that could be either.


Yes, a person of undetermined gender

A single, individual

And you don't see the issue


No, are you able to articulate it?
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KStateKing17
12/11/18 8:34:23 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh


I used they because I am talking about a theoretical person that could be either.


Yes, a person of undetermined gender

A single, individual

And you don't see the issue

More polite than referring to them as "it" or "that"
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_Squirtle_
12/11/18 8:40:45 PM
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If the adoptive parents start screaming that people should call them biological parents I'll find them equally as ridiculous
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PleaseClap
12/11/18 8:47:34 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh


I used they because I am talking about a theoretical person that could be either.


Yes, a person of undetermined gender

A single, individual

And you don't see the issue

very odd that he's willing to treat this hypothetical person with more respect than a real person
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gunplagirl
12/11/18 8:53:00 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh


I used they because I am talking about a theoretical person that could be either.


Yes, a person of undetermined gender

A single, individual

And you don't see the issue


No, are you able to articulate it?


So for a completely theoretical person you'll use "they/ them" pronouns, as that's grammatically correct. But the same also applies to real-world people.
Example: you see a man grab a backpack at a store and he runs off with it. A girl frantically runs by and asks what happened to her bag. You tell her a man ran off with it. She then asks "did you see where they ran to?" despite knowing it was a man. Still grammatically correct and the information surs requesting you convey would be entirely unaffected.

So then, now that I've explained pronouns, a third grade concept that you hopefully had some grasp of by 6th grade which is the absolute latest you should have started writing 5 paragraph essays... Do you understand how using they for theoretical people but not real life people makes you seem like an insufferable jerk?
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gunplagirl
12/11/18 8:54:25 PM
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PleaseClap posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I have no problem using the pronoun of the sex they present as.

None of this 'they' bullshit for non-binaries.


...uhhhh


I used they because I am talking about a theoretical person that could be either.


Yes, a person of undetermined gender

A single, individual

And you don't see the issue

very odd that he's willing to treat this hypothetical person with more respect than a real person

Spoiler alert

he doesn't actually respect trans people or trans issue, he only puts the bare minimum amount of effort in and calls that his absolute max
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Anteaterking
12/11/18 8:59:22 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
When you demand someone speaks or otherwise behaves in a specific way to satisfy yourself, that is entitlement. You are not owed obedience from others. If you don't like that, well, you can choose to not interact with that person as you see fit.


Yeah, I would think you were socially inept if I asked you to call me "John" instead of "Jonathan" and you kept insisting on calling me Jonathan because that's what it says on my birth certificate though.
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Mist_Turnips
12/11/18 8:59:59 PM
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It's a dude
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Wetterdew
12/11/18 10:25:19 PM
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@WhinyZach posted...
ya, the adoptive parents are their parents.

i'm not gonna lie and say that they're the child's biological mother/father

pretty easy, i guess this sounded smarter in your head.


@Vicious_Dios posted...
Wetterdew posted...
Do you acknowledge adoptive parents as parents, or do refuse to give them that recognition.


Parents as in legal guardians, yes. Not biological.


@iClockwork posted...
Wetterdew posted...
Do you acknowledge adoptive parents as parents

Not their biological parents, no.


@_Squirtle_ posted...
If the adoptive parents start screaming that people should call them biological parents I'll find them equally as ridiculous


GUYS: the question I asked is "ARE THEY PARENTS? DO THEY PARENT THOSE KIDS?" NOT "are they biological parents?"

Literally no adoptive parent is claiming to be a biological parent, just like trans males don't claim they are cis. Stop this bullshit.

But adoptive parents are a valid and real kind of parent, just like biological parents. You know it, and you would not tell an adoptive parent they aren't really a parent just because they adopted their child, unless you wanted to try to hurt them. I didn't ask if you would refuse to call them biological parents, I asked if you deny that they are PARENTS and that they are parenting their children. Next time you see an adoptive parent or child, when they refer to their family are you gonna refuse to refer to them as the parent or child?
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_Squirtle_
12/11/18 10:29:26 PM
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They're not claiming they're cis but they're still claiming they're something they're obviously not
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Wetterdew
12/11/18 10:30:39 PM
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_Squirtle_ posted...
They're not claiming they're cis but they're still claiming they're something they're obviously not

Kind of like how adoptive parents are claiming they're parents, which you think they're not?

Trans people don't claim to be cis, they don't claim that they are biologically their preferred gender. They are just wanting to be viewed and referred to as their preferred gender.
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_Squirtle_
12/11/18 10:38:39 PM
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Wetterdew posted...
Kind of like how adoptive parents are claiming they're parents, which you think they're not?


Of course they are. But if they started to claim they're biological parents when they're adoptive parents, they're wrong.

And trans people are still people. But if they start claiming they're the opposite gender...they're wrong.
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GATTJT
12/11/18 10:48:21 PM
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_Squirtle_ posted...
And trans people are still people. But if they start claiming they're the opposite gender...they're wrong.

Why do you think that? Are you aware that there are men with brain chemistry that is commonly seen in women and vice versa? Have you talked to any trans people about the disconnect they feel between their bodies and their minds?
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SmidgeIsntBack
12/11/18 10:49:34 PM
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GATTJT posted...
Have you talked to any trans people


You know the answer to this.
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Wetterdew
12/11/18 10:54:11 PM
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_Squirtle_ posted...
Wetterdew posted...
Kind of like how adoptive parents are claiming they're parents, which you think they're not?


Of course they are. But if they started to claim they're biological parents when they're adoptive parents, they're wrong.

And trans people are still people. But if they start claiming they're the opposite gender...they're wrong.

To me it seems very arbitrary to refuse to grant trans people the title of their preferred gender while simultaneously granting adoptive parents the title of parents despite that they aren't biologically parents.

Like I know trans men aren't biologically men. But we can recognize them as male because it is ultimately a social grace that is for the best, just like we recognize adoptive parents as parents even though they aren't biological.
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_Squirtle_
12/11/18 10:54:40 PM
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GATTJT posted...
Are you aware that there are men with brain chemistry that is commonly seen in women and vice versa?


Yes but from what I've seen it's not very conclusive. What % of trans people have identical brain chemistry to the opposite gender they claim to be? Can regular people have brain chemistry that resembles that of the opposite gender and not be trans?

GATTJT posted...
Have you talked to any trans people about the disconnect they feel between their bodies and their minds?


Most cannot explain it well. Shit, a lot have even said things like "I knew because I was into [X girly thing] from a young age." which is obviously a bullshit argument. If you point that out, it just devolves to "well you haven't experienced it, so you can't understand it."
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_Squirtle_
12/11/18 10:56:01 PM
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Wetterdew posted...
it is ultimately a social grace that is for the best,


How is it for the best to feed them the lie that they're the opposite gender? Just because it might make them feel good doesn't make it right.
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Medussa
12/11/18 10:59:30 PM
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Mods, can you please just tell me that you're never going to get rid of all the hate that gets posted here so I can finally just move on from this place.

this is well past the point of ridiculous.
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PleaseClap
12/11/18 11:00:14 PM
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_Squirtle_ posted...
Wetterdew posted...
it is ultimately a social grace that is for the best,


How is it for the best to feed them the lie that they're the opposite gender? Just because it might make them feel good doesn't make it right.

Yeah, it's probably better to call them freaks and mentally deranged perverts. That's much better. You're really fighting the good fight here dude.

Jesus Christ.
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Wetterdew
12/11/18 11:01:02 PM
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_Squirtle_ posted...
Wetterdew posted...
it is ultimately a social grace that is for the best,


How is it for the best to feed them the lie that they're the opposite gender? Just because it might make them feel good doesn't make it right.

Again...it's funny that you're so antagonistic to this idea while being okay with granting the title of parents toward adoptive parents.
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_Squirtle_
12/11/18 11:04:37 PM
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PleaseClap posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...
Wetterdew posted...
it is ultimately a social grace that is for the best,


How is it for the best to feed them the lie that they're the opposite gender? Just because it might make them feel good doesn't make it right.

Yeah, it's probably better to call them freaks and mentally deranged perverts. That's much better. You're really fighting the good fight here dude.

Jesus Christ.


Your eyes clearly need checking because nowhere did I say that.

But oh fuck I disagree with you I'm a monster

Wetterdew posted...
_Squirtle_ posted...
Wetterdew posted...
it is ultimately a social grace that is for the best,


How is it for the best to feed them the lie that they're the opposite gender? Just because it might make them feel good doesn't make it right.

Again...it's funny that you're so antagonistic to this idea while being okay with granting the title of parents toward adoptive parents.


We've been over this. Your analogy is dumb. Adoptive parents aren't claiming to be something they're not
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