Current Events > Pelosi, Schumer to meet with Trump and offer $1.3 billion for border wall

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JerseyProudBoy posted...

A Border Wall isn't going to do shit.

Yes it will. Border Patrol catch as much as 50,000 people per month trying to cross the border. If that number holds up over time, that's over 600,000 people every year that Border Patrol stops.

And many parts of our border look like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL08sbhHzRA" data-time="

Steel beams designed to stop vehicles, but not people. It's the border Patrol that stops them when they casually just walk over/under those beams. If a border wall can stop 50% (my guess is that it'll be a lot higher), it would would save billions per year between ICE and border patrol.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

. If a border wall can stop 50% (my guess is that it'll be a lot higher), it would would save billions per year between ICE and border patrol.

Source?
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If this gets Democrats actual important benefits for Trump's totally symbolic and useless wall, it's probably a better deal for Democrats.
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When you have corporate democrats, who needs republicans?
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Bishop9800 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

. If a border wall can stop 50% (my guess is that it'll be a lot higher), it would would save billions per year between ICE and border patrol.

Source?

You don't need one. If there they can reduce border crossing by 50%, they wouldn't need that many ICE agents running around. They may not fire them outright, but in the long term, not hiring any new agents would account into future budgets. If they do decide to eliminate 20% of the ICE due to fewer illegal border crossings, you can save up to $1.2 billion a year.
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"Don't worry guys. Mexico will pay for it."
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JacquesArch posted...

josifrees posted...

Fuck trump and fuck dems for rolling over like bitches.

You thought that was rolling over?

Any number offered is a betrayal.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

. If a border wall can stop 50% (my guess is that it'll be a lot higher), it would would save billions per year between ICE and border patrol.

Source?

You don't need one. If there they can reduce border crossing by 50%, they wouldn't need that many ICE agents running around. They may not fire them outright, but in the long term, not hiring any new agents would account into future budgets. If they do decide to eliminate 20% of the ICE due to fewer illegal border crossings, you can save up to $1.2 billion a year based on the 2016 $6 billion yearly budget.

Oh, so you are for American's losing their jobs?
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So did he get the $1.3?
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DarkRoast posted...

If this gets Democrats actual important benefits for Trump's totally symbolic and useless wall, it's probably a better deal for Democrats.

Oh, is there an offer on the table? Because I don't think there is, and it probably still wouldn't be worth giving Trump a symbolic victory.
Also, how much of an idiot do you have to be to get publicly humiliated by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer? Because now we know!

yillin posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

. If a border wall can stop 50% (my guess is that it'll be a lot higher), it would would save billions per year between ICE and border patrol.

Source?

You don't need one. If there they can reduce border crossing by 50%, they wouldn't need that many ICE agents running around. They may not fire them outright, but in the long term, not hiring any new agents would account into future budgets. If they do decide to eliminate 20% of the ICE due to fewer illegal border crossings, you can save up to $1.2 billion a year based on the 2016 $6 billion yearly budget.

Oh, so you are for American's losing their jobs?

Out with the old and in with the new. The new border wall would create new jobs. Construction, engineering, machine learning, monitoring, manufacturing, steel working and other. That wall is not going to build itself.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

You don't need one. If there they can reduce border crossing by 50%, they wouldn't need that many ICE agents running around. They may not fire them outright, but in the long term, not hiring any new agents would account into future budgets. If they do decide to eliminate 20% of the ICE due to fewer illegal border crossings, you can save up to $1.2 billion a year based on the 2016 $6 billion yearly budget.

So in other words, you're just pulling bullshit outta your ass.

Gotcha buddy!!!!
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Bishop9800 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

You don't need one. If there they can reduce border crossing by 50%, they wouldn't need that many ICE agents running around. They may not fire them outright, but in the long term, not hiring any new agents would account into future budgets. If they do decide to eliminate 20% of the ICE due to fewer illegal border crossings, you can save up to $1.2 billion a year based on the 2016 $6 billion yearly budget.

So in other words, you're just pulling bullshit outta your ass.

Gotcha buddy!!!!

Just stay in school. One day, you just may develop some critical thinking skills.
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Anteaterking posted...

So did he get the $1.3?

Watch the footage of their meeting. It devolved into an argument and Mike Pence is just laying back like he wants no part of this. So no, he got squat
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Just stay in school. One day, you just may develop some critical thinking skills.

Once again, you're just pulling bullshit outta your ass without proof. If anyone needs to stay in school, it should be you.

But hey, keep thinking that a wall is going to stop something. I bet you think Mexico is going to pay for it don't you?
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Bishop9800 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Just stay in school. One day, you just may develop some critical thinking skills.

Once again, you're just pulling bullshit outta your ass without proof. If anyone needs to stay in school, it should be you.

But hey, keep thinking that a wall is going to stop something. I bet you think Mexico is going to pay for it don't you?

I know one thing. You're not gonna pay for it. You have to work to pay taxes.
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And here's something else to think about:

175,000 illegals cross the border every year.

The estimated lifetime tax burden of each illegal immigrant for U.S. Tax payers: $75,000

That comes out to $13.1 Billion dollars per year. If we can stop 50% of the illegal immigrants, we'd save $6.56 billion per year. Over 5 years, that's enough money to fund the entire border wall.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

And here's something else to think about:

175,000 illegals cross the border every year.

The estimated lifetime tax burden of each illegal immigrant for U.S. Tax payers: $75,000

That comes out to $13.1 Billion dollars per year. If we can stop 50% of the illegal immigrants, we'd save $6.56 billion per year. Over 5 years, that's enough money to fund the entire border wall.

A border wall wouldn't stop 50%. Try 10% at best. Trump literally just wants a vanity project, the effectiveness of the wall would be limited.
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shockthemonkey posted...

If you think a border wall is stopping 50% of immigration then I have a cult that may interest you.

That poster is already deeeep in the Trump cult
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shockthemonkey posted...

If you think a border wall is stopping 50% of immigration then I have a cult that may interest you.

There is a long stretch of the border in Arizona, about 36.6 miles of that looked something like this:



From this fact check where Obama basically lied about it.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/16/barack-obama/obama-says-border-fence-now-basically-complete/

That kind of fence is for stopping vehicles... not people. Most of the illegal border crossing happen in hot spots because it's easier to get through. I don't need to believe Trump on anything, I can do my own research. The difference between some of you and me is that I actually do research, while many of you listen to the brainwashing of politicians.

The border wall would cut off many of the crossing points and can potentially stop much more than just 10%. 50% is a reasonable estimate.
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Anteaterking posted...

So did he get the $1.3?

Watch the footage of their meeting. It devolved into an argument and Mike Pence is just laying back like he wants no part of this. So no, he got squat

Well he did get a new tagline. Donnie's shutdown.
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Bananana posted...

Shitty establishment Dems making shitty decisions with even shittier Repubs

All we can do is hope it doesnt pass, I suppose

Maybe it'll result in an increase of federal taxes, which would make the Democrats (and their voters) happy again.
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Here are more photos of that stretch of the wall:

https://visionsacrossamerica.com/2013/01/20/on-the-border-2/

A total joke of fence where people would just stroll through if not for the border patrol. 60% of illegal border crossing happen in Arizona, along the Tucson and Yuma sectors of the border wall.

Sourced at CNBC:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing-attempts-at-us-southwest-border-triple-in-march-from-year-ago.html

If we build a new wall along that whole sector, they can potentially stop a good percentage of all illegal border crossings. For you fools who make up numbers like 10%. Learn the facts before you talk.
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shockthemonkey posted...

And you honestly believe in your heart that 50% or illegal immigrants come through in that spot?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing-attempts-at-us-southwest-border-triple-in-march-from-year-ago.html

60% actually. My estimate was fairly conservative.
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That's just 60% of crossings though. The vast majority of illegals aren't border jumpers. They're people who overstayed visas and other means. You're using percentages of the wrong number.
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Can you not even read your own links

So far this year, the biggest number of apprehensions have been recorded in the Rio Grande sector in Texas, followed by the Tucson and Yuma sectors in Arizona, according to the government. The Rio Grande sector accounted for about 60 percent of the apprehensions on the Southwest border last year.

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Ambience posted...

That's just 60% of crossings though. The vast majority of illegals aren't border jumpers. They're people who overstayed visas and other means. You're using percentages of the wrong number.

The border jumpers cost the government $13 billions per year. That's where the money drain happens. If you've been following at all, all the numbers have been about the border wall. Moving the goalpost is not going to help you this time.
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Bio1590 posted...

Can you not even read your own links

So far this year, the biggest number of apprehensions have been recorded in the Rio Grande sector in Texas, followed by the Tucson and Yuma sectors in Arizona, according to the government. The Rio Grande sector accounted for about 60 percent of the apprehensions on the Southwest border last year.

Well, let's start building the wall in the Rio Grande area, followed by the Tuscon and Yuma sectors. It can potentially stop 60% of the illegal border crossings.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Can you not even read your own links

So far this year, the biggest number of apprehensions have been recorded in the Rio Grande sector in Texas, followed by the Tucson and Yuma sectors in Arizona, according to the government. The Rio Grande sector accounted for about 60 percent of the apprehensions on the Southwest border last year.

Well, let's start building the wall in the Rio Grande area, followed by the Tuscon and Yuma sectors. It can potentially stop 60% of the illegal border crossings.

You know what will be cheaper than that?
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shockthemonkey posted...

60% of crossing =/= 60% of illegal immigrants, try to keep those goal posts in one place

I know you're a bit slow, but do try to keep up. This whole conversation has been about the border wall and illegal border crossings.
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If you're willing to sneak past border control guards are you really going to look at a border wall and think "Welp time to go back"
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If you think a border wall is stopping 50% of immigration then I have a cult that may interest you.

There is a long stretch of the border in Arizona, about 36.6 miles of that looked something like this:



From this fact check where Obama basically lied about it.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/16/barack-obama/obama-says-border-fence-now-basically-complete/

That kind of fence is for stopping vehicles... not people. Most of the illegal border crossing happen in hot spots because it's easier to get through. I don't need to believe Trump on anything, I can do my own research. The difference between some of you and me is that I actually do research, while many of you listen to the brainwashing of politicians.

The border wall would cut off many of the crossing points and can potentially stop much more than just 10%. 50% is a reasonable estimate.

Well you're certainly sipping someone's koolaid.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If you think a border wall is stopping 50% of immigration then I have a cult that may interest you.

There is a long stretch of the border in Arizona, about 36.6 miles of that looked something like this:



From this fact check where Obama basically lied about it.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/16/barack-obama/obama-says-border-fence-now-basically-complete/

That kind of fence is for stopping vehicles... not people. Most of the illegal border crossing happen in hot spots because it's easier to get through. I don't need to believe Trump on anything, I can do my own research. The difference between some of you and me is that I actually do research, while many of you listen to the brainwashing of politicians.

The border wall would cut off many of the crossing points and can potentially stop much more than just 10%. 50% is a reasonable estimate.

Well you're certainly sipping someone's koolaid.

Yeah, he's a hardcore Trump cultist. A brainwashed fool. Probably one of those idiots who likes to say anti Trump people are all NPCs
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Ambience posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If you think a border wall is stopping 50% of immigration then I have a cult that may interest you.

There is a long stretch of the border in Arizona, about 36.6 miles of that looked something like this:



From this fact check where Obama basically lied about it.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/16/barack-obama/obama-says-border-fence-now-basically-complete/

That kind of fence is for stopping vehicles... not people. Most of the illegal border crossing happen in hot spots because it's easier to get through. I don't need to believe Trump on anything, I can do my own research. The difference between some of you and me is that I actually do research, while many of you listen to the brainwashing of politicians.

The border wall would cut off many of the crossing points and can potentially stop much more than just 10%. 50% is a reasonable estimate.

Well you're certainly sipping someone's koolaid.

Yeah, he's a hardcore Trump cultist. A brainwashed fool. Probably one of those idiots who likes to say anti Trump people are all NPCs

You're still talking after I pimp-slapped your 10% estimate? You have nothing to offer, so you try to piggy back off of someone who also has nothing to offer to offset your shame? Typical.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Ambience posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If you think a border wall is stopping 50% of immigration then I have a cult that may interest you.

There is a long stretch of the border in Arizona, about 36.6 miles of that looked something like this:



From this fact check where Obama basically lied about it.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/16/barack-obama/obama-says-border-fence-now-basically-complete/

That kind of fence is for stopping vehicles... not people. Most of the illegal border crossing happen in hot spots because it's easier to get through. I don't need to believe Trump on anything, I can do my own research. The difference between some of you and me is that I actually do research, while many of you listen to the brainwashing of politicians.

The border wall would cut off many of the crossing points and can potentially stop much more than just 10%. 50% is a reasonable estimate.

Well you're certainly sipping someone's koolaid.

Yeah, he's a hardcore Trump cultist. A brainwashed fool. Probably one of those idiots who likes to say anti Trump people are all NPCs

You're still talking after I pimp-slapped your 10% estimate? You have nothing to offer, so you try to piggy back off of someone who also has nothing to offer to offset your shame? Typical.

You're the one making up fake news that the border wall will actually stop 50% of illegal immigrants
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I'm thinking that 1.3 billion wouldn't even remotely cover the wall. Seriously. It seems like a project with the potential for exponential growth in the costs.

Last I remembered the Border Wall wasn't going to cover the whole border right? Those spots with a fence would still be there. Even if they built up that one you'll just be changing the 'hot spot' to somewhere else.
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You all should stop giving this ridiculous idea any time.
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Darmik posted...

Last I remembered the Border Wall wasn't going to cover the whole border right? Those spots with a fence would still be there. Even if they built up that one you'll just be changing the 'hot spot' to somewhere else.

And, again, 90% of illegal immigrants actually get through on visas and just don't leave. Coyotes only account for a really small number of illegals, and like you said, the wall is just going to move the hot spot. Then, even if they actually somehow spent billions to build the wall, the cost would exponentially grow because they would need to pay thousands of people to maintain and monitor the entire thing 24/7.

It's a fucking money sinkhole. Let's see the Republicans propose a way to fund and maintain the project while cutting taxes.

Dash_Harber posted...

Darmik posted...

Last I remembered the Border Wall wasn't going to cover the whole border right? Those spots with a fence would still be there. Even if they built up that one you'll just be changing the 'hot spot' to somewhere else.

And, again, 90% of illegal immigrants actually get through on visas and just don't leave. Coyotes only account for a really small number of illegals, and like you said, the wall is just going to move the hot spot. Then, even if they actually somehow spent billions to build the wall, the cost would exponentially grow because they would need to pay thousands of people to maintain and monitor the entire thing 24/7.

It's a fucking money sinkhole. Let's see the Republicans propose a way to fund and maintain the project while cutting taxes.

Are you done making things up? Only about 40% of illegals are overstays, not the 90% you pull out of your ass.

The hot spots usually have no walls or lousy ones. Building a wall in areas that have barriers would make it increasing difficult to get across the border. We have over 20,000 people patrolling the border right now, most of that would be diverted other jobs.

You offer no solution or any ideas, only exaggerations and hyperbole.
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We don't need a wall. We need WALLS


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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I know one thing. You're not gonna pay for it. You have to work to pay taxes.

So what makes you think I don't pay taxes. Then again, seeing your "math" says the border wall will stop 60% of immigration, I see thinking isn't one of your strong points.
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Bishop9800 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I know one thing. You're not gonna pay for it. You have to work to pay taxes.

So what makes you think I don't pay taxes. Then again, seeing your "math" says the border wall will stop 60% of immigration, I see thinking isn't one of your strong points.

He's one of those posters who desperately wants people to believe he's more intelligent and better off in life than he really is. Dude seriously overcompensates on a video game message board.
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Ambience posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I know one thing. You're not gonna pay for it. You have to work to pay taxes.

So what makes you think I don't pay taxes. Then again, seeing your "math" says the border wall will stop 60% of immigration, I see thinking isn't one of your strong points.

He's one of those posters who desperately wants people to believe he's more intelligent and better off in life than he really is. Dude seriously overcompensates on a video game message board.

For real!!!
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