Board 8 > Georgia should have been in.... period.

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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 1:26:21 PM
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The debate should have been OU and ND.

ND has ZERO right to be in this fucking thing.

They beat nobody all year, dont tell me Michigan is good, they just got pounded by 80

Georgia is obviously and unquestionably the second best team in the country.

To rob them of a chance to avenge last years Playoff when they are obviously better than the rest of the country is bullshit!
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 1:28:21 PM
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This is why the Confederacy lost.
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Meow1000
12/02/18 1:29:08 PM
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Maybe they shouldn't have choked like dogs

(Again)
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 1:30:38 PM
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Meow1000 posted...
Maybe they shouldn't have choked like dogs

(Again)


Losing to what may be the best team ever is a choke?

Are you ******?

Bama has won every game by 22 fucking points and has a QB that had played 3 series all year in the fourth quarter...
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 1:32:15 PM
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FinaIFantasy posted...
has a QB that had played 3 series all year in the fourth quarter...


Hence why it's a chokejob. Georgia should not have lost after Hurts got in the game.
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Dr_Football
12/02/18 1:32:36 PM
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I mean the main problem is don't lose to an LSU team that we don't actually know if they're that good by 20
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 1:33:19 PM
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I mean they were literally up 21-7 and got outscored 28-7 the rest of the way surrendering two touchdowns to the backup QB.

Also they lost to LSU.
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Meow1000
12/02/18 1:33:41 PM
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When you're up basically the entire game and specifically up 28-14 with 18 minutes left and lose without scoring another point that's a choke sorry.
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RytonX
12/02/18 1:34:25 PM
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Georgia blew a two touchdown lead to a backup QB.

No.
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 1:34:37 PM
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Dr_Football posted...
I mean the main problem is don't lose to an LSU team that we don't actually know if they're that good by 20


LSUs losses are top 10 UF, top 1 Bama, and top 20 A and M on the road, and A and M team that should have beaten Clemson if not getting screwed at end of game by refs.

Yeah, we know they are that good.
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Meow1000
12/02/18 1:34:54 PM
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Dr_Football posted...
I mean the main problem is don't lose to an LSU team that we don't actually know if they're that good by 20

Ohio State's 29 point loss to Purdue was always going to kill them.

Getting blown out is a really bad look.
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Naye745
12/02/18 1:35:39 PM
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i'm looking forward to central florida's back-to-back national championships imho
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 1:37:57 PM
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Meow1000 posted...
When you're up basically the entire game and specifically up 28-14 with 18 minutes left and lose without scoring another point that's a choke sorry.


Nobody would be saying this if it wasnt a team from Georgia. NOBODY.

But because of the stupid curse meme people are saying this shit.
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Meow1000
12/02/18 1:38:53 PM
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I would be saying this about any team that choked the way Georgia did.
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 1:42:06 PM
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I don't think you can put them in after they lose to Alabama. They effectively lost their play in game. I heard it mentioned on the broadcast yesterday but part of it is also Alabama earned the right to not have to play Georgia again. They beat them on neutral ground already and at the end of the season.

I think the whole system is flawed. As an OSU fan I'm not deluded enough to think we should have made it because you can't lose a Purdue level team by that much and get in regardless of other results. But on the whole only having 4 slots with 5 Power 5 champions and potentially non P5 teams like ND and UCF in the mix, 4 teams just isn't enough.

My 3 biggest gripes are this

1. Notre Dame not having to play a conference title game isn't remotely fair on the other teams if they aren't going to be penalized for it. They play an ACC schedule, they should have had to play Clemson. (If we are sticking with a 4 team playoff)

2. Subjectivity between P5 conference champions shouldn't come into play. A lot of years it's clear cut the pecking order but some years it isn't. You can't have a true champion if conference champs are being left out based on subjectivity.

3. The entire system blows for the G5 teams. You may as well just outright say they are disqualified from the get go. People can complain all they want about UCF's SOS but the bottom line is they are now unbeaten for 2 years. They can only strengthen their schedule so much, if they had played 3 P5 teams out of conference people would have still used their weak in conference schedule against them. And schedules are set so far ahead of time that it's easier said than done to strength their schedule. They also tried to get into a P5 conference only a few years ago and were denied. So what else can they do? I also don't think the American this year was even that far below the ACC or Pac 12 (if at all).

It has to be an 8 team playoff sooner rather than later. 5x P5 Champions and 3 at large teams. Throw in some sort of disclaimer where an unbeaten G5 team gets a spot (but they have to be unbeaten). You can even throw out a P5 champion if they rack up too many losses (say 3?)
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Meow1000
12/02/18 1:43:48 PM
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The Pac 12 is a mid major pretending to be a power conference and has been for a while so yeah.

See though I think this committee understands that too. Even if Washington State had won out they'd be sitting there at 7 right now.
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 1:50:45 PM
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I don't think any of the 5-8 teams could beat Alabama so I don't necessarily see the point in expanding the field unless it finally forces Notre Dame to join a conference.
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 1:51:22 PM
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Also what I will say is fuck automatic tie-ins for NY6.

Ohio State's reward for just missing out is a game against a weak Pac 12 Champion in Washington? This is the least enthusiastic I have been about a bowl game in as long as I can remember.

Give me a game that possibly shows us something. An OSU-Washington game tells us nothing. Whereas an OSU-Georgia game or an OSU-UCF game at least gives us something of interest. Ditto for whoever UCF gets, it's very likely they give them LSU or Florida or something rather than giving them one of the strongest team available to see how good they are. If they beat LSU or Florida the argument will just be 'Well they weren't very good anyway'
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 1:52:03 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
I don't think you can put them in after they lose to Alabama. They effectively lost their play in game. I heard it mentioned on the broadcast yesterday but part of it is also Alabama earned the right to not have to play Georgia again. They beat them on neutral ground already and at the end of the season.

I think the whole system is flawed. As an OSU fan I'm not deluded enough to think we should have made it because you can't lose a Purdue level team by that much and get in regardless of other results. But on the whole only having 4 slots with 5 Power 5 champions and potentially non P5 teams like ND and UCF in the mix, 4 teams just isn't enough.

My 3 biggest gripes are this

1. Notre Dame not having to play a conference title game isn't remotely fair on the other teams if they aren't going to be penalized for it. They play an ACC schedule, they should have had to play Clemson. (If we are sticking with a 4 team playoff)

2. Subjectivity between P5 conference champions shouldn't come into play. A lot of years it's clear cut the pecking order but some years it isn't. You can't have a true champion if conference champs are being left out based on subjectivity.

3. The entire system blows for the G5 teams. You may as well just outright say they are disqualified from the get go. People can complain all they want about UCF's SOS but the bottom line is they are now unbeaten for 2 years. They can only strengthen their schedule so much, if they had played 3 P5 teams out of conference people would have still used their weak in conference schedule against them. And schedules are set so far ahead of time that it's easier said than done to strength their schedule. They also tried to get into a P5 conference only a few years ago and were denied. So what else can they do? I also don't think the American this year was even that far below the ACC or Pac 12 (if at all).

It has to be an 8 team playoff sooner rather than later. 5x P5 Champions and 3 at large teams. Throw in some sort of disclaimer where an unbeaten G5 team gets a spot (but they have to be unbeaten). You can even throw out a P5 champion if they rack up too many losses (say 3?)


I dont think Confernce Championships should matter for shit.

There is no fucking way Clemson should have ANY sort of tie breaker cause they won the wretched fucking ACC.

It should be treated as just another game for ranking purposes.

Because the fact is if Georgia had the same record same losses but won the SEC last night. They would 100% be in. And thats fucking stupid.
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 1:52:47 PM
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I mean the Rose Bowl was always Big 10 vs Pac 10 back in the day so it makes sense they want to do that whenever available.
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 1:53:44 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
I don't think any of the 5-8 teams could beat Alabama so I don't necessarily see the point in expanding the field unless it finally forces Notre Dame to join a conference.


I'm actually more for expansion for UCF's sake than the other 5-8 teams. I don't think the 3 or 4 team has a chance against Alabama either.

Also it's less about this year and more about the argument that seemingly comes up every year. Take away the subjectivity and make the criteria simpler. Take care of your conference and get your chance.
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 1:55:07 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
Also what I will say is fuck automatic tie-ins for NY6.

Ohio State's reward for just missing out is a game against a weak Pac 12 Champion in Washington? This is the least enthusiastic I have been about a bowl game in as long as I can remember.

Give me a game that possibly shows us something. An OSU-Washington game tells us nothing. Whereas an OSU-Georgia game or an OSU-UCF game at least gives us something of interest. Ditto for whoever UCF gets, it's very likely they give them LSU or Florida or something rather than giving them one of the strongest team available to see how good they are. If they beat LSU or Florida the argument will just be 'Well they weren't very good anyway'


I mean... realistically this is YOUR FAULT though.

It was the Rose Bowl (and specifically Stanford. uSC, Mich and OSU) who complained and complained and complained that they wanted to keep the Rose Bowl thr same.

If that doesnt happen I guarantee you the Orange and Sugar Bowl has no problem dropping conference affiliation. Just look at Cotton.

No one likes it, but OSU is second most responsible for it
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 1:57:52 PM
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When they went to the NY6 format, that should have gone out of the window though.
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 1:58:45 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
I don't think any of the 5-8 teams could beat Alabama so I don't necessarily see the point in expanding the field unless it finally forces Notre Dame to join a conference.


I'm actually more for expansion for UCF's sake than the other 5-8 teams. I don't think the 3 or 4 team has a chance against Alabama either.

Also it's less about this year and more about the argument that seemingly comes up every year. Take away the subjectivity and make the criteria simpler. Take care of your conference and get your chance.


UCF shouldn't be included because they play a garbage schedule and suck.
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249USDollars
12/02/18 1:59:04 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
If they beat LSU or Florida the argument will just be 'Well they weren't very good anyway'

Or the in the case of last year where they did get a good team, the excuse will just be "Well that team just didn't care because they had nothing meaningful to play for."
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 2:02:26 PM
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249USDollars posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
If they beat LSU or Florida the argument will just be 'Well they weren't very good anyway'

Or the in the case of last year where they did get a good team, the excuse will just be "Well that team just didn't care because they had nothing meaningful to play for."


Auburn didnt...

Thats not the excuse for this years teams.

It would either be not a top flight team (LSU) or LITERALLY DOESNT EVEN BELONG IN THE OUTBACK BOWL LET ALONE NY6!!! (Florida)

UF should be a Gator Bowl team.

SEC #7
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Sorozone
12/02/18 2:03:30 PM
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Yeah. Fuck Notre Dame.
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 2:05:32 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
I don't think any of the 5-8 teams could beat Alabama so I don't necessarily see the point in expanding the field unless it finally forces Notre Dame to join a conference.


I'm actually more for expansion for UCF's sake than the other 5-8 teams. I don't think the 3 or 4 team has a chance against Alabama either.

Also it's less about this year and more about the argument that seemingly comes up every year. Take away the subjectivity and make the criteria simpler. Take care of your conference and get your chance.


UCF shouldn't be included because they play a garbage schedule and suck.


They tried to get into the Power 5 and were denied. Schedules are set years in advance and the big teams won't play them. What the fuck else can they do other than win all their games?

UCF will have made more big bowl games than the vast majority of P5 teams so I think saying they suck is disingenuous. Bottom line is in the last 5 seasons they will have a Fiesta Bowl win, a Peach Bowl win and at the very least 1 more NY6 bowl appearance with 3 Top 10 ranking finishes. They are clearly a step ahead of any other G5 team and the vast majority of the P5.
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 2:09:38 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
What the fuck else can they do other than win all their games?


Nothing. They don't deserve to get in the playoffs. Sorry that your soft as hell schedule keeps you out but when you play, what, the 70th hardest schedule? Sorry. You are not playoff material even in an 8 team format.
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 2:13:30 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
What the fuck else can they do other than win all their games?


Nothing. They don't deserve to get in the playoffs. Sorry that your soft as hell schedule keeps you out but when you play, what, the 70th hardest schedule? Sorry. You are not playoff material even in an 8 team format.


So what about ND and Clemson's SOS? They weren't much better than UCF's

With a regular seasons worth of 2018 data, lets check out what Rsum S&P+ can tell us. Lets look at Clemson, the No. 2 team in both S&P+ and the CFP rankings, as an example.
Clemson finished the regular season 13-0, challenged only a couple of times and winning its games by an average margin of 31.7 points (30.1 with a 50-point cap on each game).

Have the Tigers played a rigorous schedule? Goodness, no. If the average top-five team by which, I mean literally the average of Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Michigan, and Oklahoma, the top five teams per S&P+ played Clemsons 13 opponents a countless number of times, it would have won about 90 percent of those games.

Thats a strength of schedule that ranks 76th, not amazing but certainly harder than that of any of the other unbeatens.

SOS rankings for college footballs unbeaten teams:
17. Alabama (0.834)
61. Notre Dame (0.888)
76. Clemson (0.901)
83. UCF (0.907)

Clemsons schedule was closer in competition level to UCFs than Alabamas, and by quite a bit. And it was worse than Notre Dames.
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 2:15:16 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
What the fuck else can they do other than win all their games?


Nothing. They don't deserve to get in the playoffs. Sorry that your soft as hell schedule keeps you out but when you play, what, the 70th hardest schedule? Sorry. You are not playoff material even in an 8 team format.


So what about ND and Clemson's SOS? They weren't much better than UCF's

With a regular seasons worth of 2018 data, lets check out what Rsum S&P+ can tell us. Lets look at Clemson, the No. 2 team in both S&P+ and the CFP rankings, as an example.
Clemson finished the regular season 13-0, challenged only a couple of times and winning its games by an average margin of 31.7 points (30.1 with a 50-point cap on each game).

Have the Tigers played a rigorous schedule? Goodness, no. If the average top-five team by which, I mean literally the average of Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Michigan, and Oklahoma, the top five teams per S&P+ played Clemsons 13 opponents a countless number of times, it would have won about 90 percent of those games.

Thats a strength of schedule that ranks 76th, not amazing but certainly harder than that of any of the other unbeatens.

SOS rankings for college footballs unbeaten teams:
17. Alabama (0.834)
61. Notre Dame (0.888)
76. Clemson (0.901)
83. UCF (0.907)

Clemsons schedule was closer in competition level to UCFs than Alabamas, and by quite a bit. And it was worse than Notre Dames.


I have NO FUCKING ISSUE with Clemson not making it. I think Ive made that clear.

And ND should be obvious.
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 2:18:48 PM
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The problem is that no one wants to run SEC teams in high profile games because they are low income fanbases that can't pull decent advertisers.
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 2:24:38 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
The problem is that no one wants to run SEC teams in high profile games because they are low income fanbases that can't pull decent advertisers.


Lololololol

We make more money than anyone. Had 8 of the most profitable NCAA programs.

Fuck off with that.

Also the Citrus Bowl. (SEC game) . 4 million dollar payout, larger than the NY6 unless its a playoff game that year.

Outback, one of the highest.
Sugar the highest non Citrus
Cotton one of the highest.

This is all about money, if what you said was remotely true they wouldnt have 5 of the top 15 cause that puts them all in major high profile bowl games.

I mean. Florida isnt good.... and they are going to a NY6... purely because they are SEc and will bring in a shit ton of money
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 2:26:39 PM
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"Hi I don't know what an advertiser is." ~MWC, Always
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FinaIFantasy
12/02/18 2:30:32 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
"Hi I don't know what an advertiser is." ~MWC, Always


I do. And you are wrong.

They show how much ad spots are for games.....

Ill give you one guess what Bowl games are highest/among highest non playoff for 30 seconds

If you guessed Sugar, Cotton, Outback, Citrus, Gator, (and obviously Rose). Youd be right.
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 2:30:42 PM
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I mean really it seems that this year there seems to be more of a drop off than usual from the top teams to the tier below. There doesn't seem to be many 2 loss teams and a lot of the 3 loss teams seem to have some damning losses rather than just losing to the better teams
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redrocket
12/02/18 6:33:44 PM
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lol
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theawesomestevr
12/02/18 7:47:16 PM
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Georgia's shown that even under the most ideal circumstances they can't beat 'bama, so even if they are the "4th best team" (which is completely unproveable), there's no good argument to be made for a 2-loss team to make it in as #4.

And I agree with Shattered on UCF and the playoff. They should have started with 8 teams to begin with imo. Not 4. Then Georgia might at least have a chance to earn their way into losing to Alabama for a 3rd time in 2 years!

It's really dumb how there's no incentive to schedule anyone of worth out of conference for Power 5 teams. If you're going to game the system to your advantage, then you have to expand the playoff. Otherwise, you may as well not even have a Division I outside the Power 5.
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ShatteredElysium
12/02/18 7:58:55 PM
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For the record, I don't think UCF are a top 4 team this year. The system is just a joke for non P5 teams though and there's nothing they can do to change it. UCF could have scheduled 3 P5 teams and won all 3 games and they still wouldn't have got in.

However, I do think UCF were a top 4 team last season. Obviously Alabama proved their worth in the playoffs last season but pre-playoffs UCF were more worthy than Alabama (who had a worst resume pre-playoffs than UCF did but that was completely ignored because SEC)
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OliviaTremor
12/02/18 8:09:50 PM
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College Football should do as the MLB does. Three game series, best of three, 162 games a season. That way we can have a more rationale discussion about where teams stand.
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