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Antifar
11/27/18 9:13:24 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/magazine/insect-apocalypse.html
...Insects are the vital pollinators and recyclers of ecosystems and the base of food webs everywhere. In the United States, scientists recently found the population of monarch butterflies fell by 90 percent in the last 20 years, a loss of 900 million individuals; the rusty-patched bumblebee, which once lived in 28 states, dropped by 87 percent over the same period. With other, less-studied insect species, one butterfly researcher told me, all we can do is wave our arms and say, Its not here anymore! Still, the most disquieting thing wasnt the disappearance of certain species of insects; it was the deeper worry, shared by Riis and many others, that a whole insect world might be quietly going missing, a loss of abundance that could alter the planet in unknowable ways. We notice the losses, says David Wagner, an entomologist at the University of Connecticut. Its the diminishment that we dont see.

Because insects are legion, inconspicuous and hard to meaningfully track, the fear that there might be far fewer than before was more felt than documented. People noticed it by canals or in backyards or under streetlights at night familiar places that had become unfamiliarly empty. The feeling was so common that entomologists developed a shorthand for it, named for the way many people first began to notice that they werent seeing as many bugs. They called it the windshield phenomenon.
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When the investigators began planning the study in 2016, they werent sure if anyone would sign up. But by the time the nets were ready, a paper by an obscure German entomological society had brought the problem of insect decline into sharp focus. The German study found that, measured simply by weight, the overall abundance of flying insects in German nature reserves had decreased by 75 percent over just 27 years. If you looked at midsummer population peaks, the drop was 82 percent.
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There were studies of other, better-understood species that suggested that the insects associated with them might be declining, too. People who studied fish found that the fish had fewer mayflies to eat. Ornithologists kept finding that birds that rely on insects for food were in trouble: eight in 10 partridges gone from French farmlands; 50 and 80 percent drops, respectively, for nightingales and turtledoves. Half of all farmland birds in Europe disappeared in just three decades. At first, many scientists assumed the familiar culprit of habitat destruction was at work, but then they began to wonder if the birds might simply be starving. In Denmark, an ornithologist named Anders Tottrup was the one who came up with the idea of turning cars into insect trackers for the windshield-effect study after he noticed that rollers, little owls, Eurasian hobbies and bee-eaters all birds that subsist on large insects such as beetles and dragonflies had abruptly disappeared from the landscape.
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What were losing is not just the diversity part of biodiversity, but the bio part: life in sheer quantity. While I was writing this article, scientists learned that the worlds largest king penguin colony shrank by 88 percent in 35 years, that more than 97 percent of the bluefin tuna that once lived in the ocean are gone. The number of Sophie the Giraffe toys sold in France in a single year is nine times the number of all the giraffes that still live in Africa.
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It is estimated that, since 1970, Earths various populations of wild land animals have lost, on average, 60 percent of their members. Zeroing in on the category we most relate to, mammals, scientists believe that for every six wild creatures that once ate and burrowed and raised young, only one remains.


I don't know, it's probably fine
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Paper_Okami
11/27/18 9:13:54 PM
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well, when are we dying?

hopefully soon
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CornBarn
11/27/18 9:23:43 PM
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Most people need to stop having children. Distribute contraceptives for free to anyone who wants them, including the birth control pill. Provide free sterilization services.

Within a generation we can substantially reduce the human population to a more sustainable number of people, which would mean less pesticides, less land needed for agriculture, less land needed for housing, etc.
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Duncanwii
11/27/18 9:25:45 PM
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CornBarn posted...
Most people need to stop having children. Distribute contraceptives for free to anyone who wants them, including the birth control pill. Provide free sterilization services.

Within a generation we can substantially reduce the human population to a more sustainable number of people, which would mean less pesticides, less land needed for agriculture, less land needed for housing, etc.

Won't happen thanks to religion.
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CornBarn
11/27/18 9:40:09 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
CornBarn posted...
Most people need to stop having children. Distribute contraceptives for free to anyone who wants them, including the birth control pill. Provide free sterilization services.

Within a generation we can substantially reduce the human population to a more sustainable number of people, which would mean less pesticides, less land needed for agriculture, less land needed for housing, etc.

Won't happen thanks to religion.


https://www.theweek.co.uk/96241/why-global-fertility-is-in-decline

Global fertility rate has halved since 1950, leaving scores of countries including the UK with birth rates below levels needed to maintain population size, new research has found.

The annual Global Burden of Disease Study, published in The Lancet, shows that 91 of 195 nations now have fertility rates below replacement level - currently defined as around 2.1 children per woman - leaving them facing a so-called baby bust.


It's already happening, we just need to accelerate it in the poorest countries. Countries like Niger have a birth rate of 7.1 children per woman on average.
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/18 9:44:34 PM
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Honeybees are not going extinct, so long as there's a financial incentive to keep behives.
Even if they do somehow vanish, there's plenty of alternative pollinators ready to step into the niche, like a cat in Australia.

https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/beneficial/alternative-pollination.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/science/bees-pollination-farming.html

Duncanwii posted...
CornBarn posted...
Most people need to stop having children. Distribute contraceptives for free to anyone who wants them, including the birth control pill. Provide free sterilization services.

Within a generation we can substantially reduce the human population to a more sustainable number of people, which would mean less pesticides, less land needed for agriculture, less land needed for housing, etc.

Won't happen thanks to religion.

Won't happen thanks to eugenics panic.

CornBarn posted...
https://www.theweek.co.uk/96241/why-global-fertility-is-in-decline

Global fertility rate has halved since 1950, leaving scores of countries including the UK with birth rates below levels needed to maintain population size, new research has found.

The annual Global Burden of Disease Study, published in The Lancet, shows that 91 of 195 nations now have fertility rates below replacement level - currently defined as around 2.1 children per woman - leaving them facing a so-called baby bust.

It's already happening, we just need to accelerate it in the poorest countries. Countries like Niger have a birth rate of 7.1 children per woman on average.

Turns out the most effective form of birth control is a decent standard of living.
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CornBarn
11/27/18 9:45:56 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Honeybees are not going extinct, so long as there's a financial incentive to keep behives.
Even if they do somehow vanish, there's plenty of alternative pollinators ready to step into the niche, like a cat in Australia.

https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/beneficial/alternative-pollination.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/science/bees-pollination-farming.html


Ideally we would not let it progress so far that bees get wiped out by pesticides, noisy agriculture, etc.
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DanAnsumHandsom
11/27/18 9:46:23 PM
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Mass Extinction is a natural cycle of the Earth
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DifferentialEquation
11/27/18 9:47:47 PM
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My cat is doing quite well.
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CornBarn
11/27/18 9:48:38 PM
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DanAnsumHandsom posted...
Mass Extinction is a natural cycle of the Earth


Nothing natural about fossil fuels, pesticides, noisy agriculture, etc. Unless you are resorting to a very generous definition of natural where any possible human activity is natural.

We are contributing to any natural extinction event by not prioritizing clean energy and population decreases.
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CornBarn
11/27/18 9:49:56 PM
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Goats posted...
With countries like India and China having populations so large and so fond of maliciously ignoring any kind of climate change restrictions, there really isn't much any individual human can do in the West. We've royally fucked ourselves and half the world doesn't even want to admit there is a problem zapdos.


Distribute contraceptives in the poorest parts of China, India, and Africa.

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/2/10-077925/en/

https://www.intrahealth.org/vital/west-africa-finally-starting-embrace-family-planning
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DanAnsumHandsom
11/27/18 9:50:13 PM
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CornBarn posted...
DanAnsumHandsom posted...
Mass Extinction is a natural cycle of the Earth


Nothing natural about fossil fuels, pesticides, noisy agriculture, etc. Unless you are resorting to a very generous definition of natural where any possible human activity is natural.

We are contributing to any natural extinction event by not prioritizing clean energy and population decreases.

Can't remember the number but it's like 97% of all species have gone extinct. This is what the Earth does
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/18 9:51:53 PM
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CornBarn posted...
noisy agriculture

all I can find about that is farmers going deaf.
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CornBarn
11/27/18 9:54:29 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
CornBarn posted...
noisy agriculture

all I can find about that is farmers going deaf.


By noisy I mean the way that crop variety is distributed on land and the cadence at which crops are rotated. It's noisy in that it interrupts the stretches of wild land that insects and other animals are used to inhabiting and thriving in. And it is tough on the soil because we don't practice sustainable farming as much as we should.
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ThyCorndog
11/27/18 9:55:38 PM
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we are the latest and greatest extinction event. the sad part is when people think it's ok
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DanAnsumHandsom
11/27/18 10:04:05 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
we are the latest and greatest extinction event. the sad part is when people think it's ok

This is like blaming people on earthquakes. If we can find a way to stop it we will.
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spudger
11/27/18 10:06:02 PM
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DanAnsumHandsom posted...
CornBarn posted...
DanAnsumHandsom posted...
Mass Extinction is a natural cycle of the Earth


Nothing natural about fossil fuels, pesticides, noisy agriculture, etc. Unless you are resorting to a very generous definition of natural where any possible human activity is natural.

We are contributing to any natural extinction event by not prioritizing clean energy and population decreases.

Can't remember the number but it's like 97% of all species have gone extinct. This is what the Earth does

Earth, not us
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Alphamon
11/27/18 10:22:43 PM
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CornBarn posted...
population decreases

define population decrease.

be specific.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/27/18 10:22:52 PM
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Basically unless a supervirus cleans us up soon it's all RIP
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CornBarn
11/27/18 10:43:10 PM
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Alphamon posted...
CornBarn posted...
population decreases

define population decrease.

be specific.


I'm no expert but I'd say aiming for a total population of 500 million people per the Georgia Guidestones sounds reasonable.
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/18 10:50:00 PM
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CornBarn posted...
I'm no expert but I'd say aiming for a total population of 500 million people per the Georgia Guidestones sounds reasonable.

Attrition, right?

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Alphamon
11/27/18 10:51:42 PM
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CornBarn posted...
Alphamon posted...
CornBarn posted...
population decreases

define population decrease.

be specific.


I'm no expert but I'd say aiming for a total population of 500 million people per the Georgia Guidestones sounds reasonable.

yes and they will all be white right? jfc dude
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Antifar
11/27/18 10:52:30 PM
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Me, personally, I don't think reducing the human population by more than 90 percent is advisable
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CornBarn
11/27/18 11:29:32 PM
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Alphamon posted...
CornBarn posted...
Alphamon posted...
CornBarn posted...
population decreases

define population decrease.

be specific.


I'm no expert but I'd say aiming for a total population of 500 million people per the Georgia Guidestones sounds reasonable.

yes and they will all be white right? jfc dude


Most white-majority countries have negative birth rates already
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Questionmarktarius
11/28/18 2:48:52 PM
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Goats posted...
https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2018/11/27/supreme-court-limits-ability-to-designate-endangered-species-habitat/

what the fuck america wigglytuff

Maybe we just should start eating spotted owls. Then the species would never go extinct.
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ocelot51
11/28/18 2:53:54 PM
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Did you know that there is a global population of 5000-8000 shoebill birds? That's it. They are classified as vulnerable. They also average 4 feet tall and only weigh 10-12 pounds.

This has been today's shoebill facts.
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P4wn4g3
11/28/18 3:17:39 PM
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I can attest that up in the mountains where I grew up, multiple plants, insects, and birds went from abundant to nonexistent over the years I lived there and my family was there. The suspicion was the drought that NM has been in since the 90s. A drought that gets worse every year.
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spudger
11/28/18 3:22:03 PM
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trumps animal america
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P4wn4g3
11/28/18 3:23:58 PM
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Nah, trump didn't cause this one. He would just deny it.
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tennisdude818
11/28/18 3:28:31 PM
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All this talk about human population, I wish people would make up their minds. The West was told to stop having babies for the environment. Now we are told that there arent enough people to pay for our Ponzi Scheme entitlement programs so we have to open the border. Pick one please.
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P4wn4g3
11/28/18 3:33:19 PM
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Human overpopulation has been a problem for a while.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/29/18 12:28:29 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
All this talk about human population, I wish people would make up their minds. The West was told to stop having babies for the environment. Now we are told that there arent enough people to pay for our Ponzi Scheme entitlement programs so we have to open the border. Pick one please.

I don't believe that either of those things happened
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Cobra1010
11/29/18 12:38:03 AM
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Mother nature would fight back. Some natural disaster or plague would come along and reset or reload the planet.

If another 6 mile wide asteroid come along, I doubt we can do much about it. Theres no air pressure in space so our missiles wont be able to do much.

We just gotta dig in and wait it out. With limited space, only the rich and the scientists and experts will live. The average to poor people will all die.
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Irregardless
11/29/18 6:38:54 PM
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If evolution is real why don't they evolve to be immortal?
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/29/18 7:11:52 PM
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Goats posted...
What the f*** jolteon
https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2018/cyanide-bombs-11-26-2018.php/

Trump administration continues to be cartoonishly evil c***faces, shocker
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Questionmarktarius
11/29/18 8:23:00 PM
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Solar_Crimson
11/29/18 10:42:12 PM
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DanAnsumHandsom posted...
CornBarn posted...
DanAnsumHandsom posted...
Mass Extinction is a natural cycle of the Earth


Nothing natural about fossil fuels, pesticides, noisy agriculture, etc. Unless you are resorting to a very generous definition of natural where any possible human activity is natural.

We are contributing to any natural extinction event by not prioritizing clean energy and population decreases.

Can't remember the number but it's like 97% of all species have gone extinct. This is what the Earth does

This extinction is almost single-handedly being driven by humans, not the planet.
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Questionmarktarius
11/29/18 10:55:38 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
This extinction is almost single-handedly being driven by humans, not the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event
That graph goes back 542 million years. Humans have only been wrecking everything for the past 12000 or so.
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