Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 2: Competitive MELEEEEEE

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I don't even know how to respond to it, lolo.

I think you are taking prodding as meaning to poke at someones activity and that is not what I am saying.
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Red is using prodding to mean something like poking a sleeping animal to agitate it and elicit a response.

Red is really bad at just using plain English to explain something.
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Shonen_Bat posted...

Eh, I'm still here but I'm not sure what to say. I'm not that social in the first place.

You could answer my question 9n why the vote in red?
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Hbthebattle posted...

I don't trust Han, as I've said before.

rude
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Why would I ask you who isn't posting? I'm askingy who you think needs scrutinized now.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I don't trust Han, as I've said before.

rude

But fair
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scrutinized and prod are totally different.

Also the question is incredibly vague and its early enough that the answer is literally everyone.

I'm always going to prod people when I have an opportunity because that is how I read people early.
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Sultan, do you think red is town?
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Because if you want scrutinized the answer is going to be something like death/han/ben/shonen.

But prod in this way is not nearly the same thing.
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hombad46 has replaced Corrik!

Votals as of Post 109:
red13n [4] - FD, Chris, Ben, Shonen, Han
FD [1] - Scare
geno [1] - hombad46, (HB)
Corrik [1] - Sultan
death [0] - (Ben)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Day ends at 11 PM EST on Tuesday, November 27th.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Sultan, do you think red is town?

You might have missed it earlier but I said
I am not advocating for red.

I just want the guys who voted to exsplain beacuse the random following onto the vote with no explanation is something I dont like
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I don't trust Han, as I've said before.

rude

But not unjustified. Youve been quite shifty and not very open, and I havent found a reason to really trust you.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lolo_Guru posted...

Sultan, do you think red is town?

You might have missed it earlier but I said
I am not advocating for red.

I just want the guys who voted to exsplain beacuse the random following onto the vote with no explanation is something I dont like

No, I didn't miss it.

Was curious if you were trying to figure out his alignment and if it changed any. I guess not.
Half-considered voting red just to see if it would push your buttons, but eh, I'm not feeling awful about him being right now.

Also feels odd that you're not mentioning the "random bandwagon explanation-free" vote as the voter themselves.

Top scum, top town read, Sultan?
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Well as fine as I am with red being the lynch leader there is no sense limiting the scope of today's discussion.

Sultan, are you still here?

If so, how do you feel about Doop and Pendragon.

If you had to give one of them a 1 shot vig actions, who would you give it to? Assume that they would not be allowed to use it on you.

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Lolo, if you were a jailkeeper, who would you target tonight? Why?
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Well this has been an uneffective use of my lunch break.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Lolo, if you were a jailkeeper, who would you target tonight? Why?

Never rolled jailkeeper before in memory. Know it's roleblock plus protect usually. First inclination would be Chris, since, well, either he is night killed early or is usually scum. While I consider HB the "most town"" , new players are usually not the first kill.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Well this has been an uneffective use of my lunch break.

Ten minute lunch?

My work's draconic and even I get a half hour?
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No my break want over yet, but 10 minutes of no posts after people had only just been around felt pretty wasteful.
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Sorry I've been a little distracted.

Anyways thoughts that actually answer both questions directed at me. I like doop as town. Doop has very similar views on the whole corrik situation than I do but aslo is working every hard to figure things out and has shown a great amount of town like post so doop is looking very town to me.

Corrik is still my top scum read mostly beacuse corriks play style gives me strong dajavu of scum tiny toons corrik maybe the replacement will give me some different vibes but for now I still dont like corriks slot at all

Pen I feel like he has only had 2 post the whole game. The points made by pen they seem to be very lacking
Pendragon71037 posted...

FD, by "calmed down" I meant you were no longer posting every other minute to give weird emoji-filled fluff. That's all. I didn't mean to imply anything about your activity level, just the content of your posts.

I find this pretty funny beacuse he was saying FD had bad content and has provided probably the least content put of "active" use this loosely beacuse I havent seen anything from terra
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Ah I skipped that post.

Pendragon71037 posted...

FD, by "calmed down" I meant you were no longer posting every other minute to give weird emoji-filled fluff. That's all. I didn't mean to imply anything about your activity level, just the content of your posts.

Do you see the contradiction here?

I did my emoji posting nearly until I went to bed.

At which point I went to bed.

And I was no longer posting at this time. Because I was asleep. In my bed.

You talk about how long you liked me calming down. How I was no longer making bad posts. Which I was no longer doing because...I wasn't around.
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I worded that weird I'm saying that about pen not FD
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I really think FD is town. Just look at him.
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Sultan, ask me a question.

I might even give you town points if it's more insightful than "reads?".
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benjamin3740 posted...

I really think FD is town. Just look at him.

I'm wondering what he got or hoped to get from his question of me, personally.
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Alright my question to you is what do think of Hans out the gate vanilla claim and hans game play up to this point?
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If you answered this already I'm sorry I might have missed it. I might have more questions for you but this one is what came to mind first
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And I finally sit down and realize my input for my new second monitor isn't working right, sigh lol.

Ah well, whose got some questions for me?

In the mean time, Doop: You don't understand scumand town corrik enough I feel like. Corrik likes to exert pressure on people and most of all he enjoys exerting pressure on me until he feels he can get a solid read, or he'll try to fake that. If he can subdue me he can make the rest of the game follow suit. Perfectly fine strategy as town there and I didn't really feel any ill intent from him.
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I fail to see how interfering with people's ability to get a handle on the game means exerting pressure, but whatever.

How many people in this game are you confident in your ability to accurately read?
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Overzealous yes, but that is Corrik's nature. To assign a scum label to it would not be accurate, as fretful as his play can be.

Given enough time? 18.
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How much time is enough?
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3-4 game days I tend to have a complete grasp on a game or close.

I am also dead.

Any more specific questions in mind?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Alright my question to you is what do think of Hans out the gate vanilla claim and hans game play up to this point?

Didn't like it. Still don't. Willing to not pursue it at this point.

As a whole, han's play beyond that... I can't say I hate it. Han's big return to the topic was seeing a Geno conspiracy, which feels unlikely, but it was something that was rolling around in my brain at the time as a possibility.

Is the amount of posts concerning? Sure, a little.

Is the content? Not at the moment. Though given han believing Geno is most likely town, the biggest question is how much of that "conspiracy circle" han believes is scum in a Geno/town situation, and why.

There still is something nagging about Geno, namely how little content he's provided. And role meta is terrible but calling Ridley a veteran under any sense of the word sounds off, explanation be damned.

Chris, why do you consider Shad town? He's the player I feel I have, like, nothing, say about, and I realized you town cleared him earlier on the reread.
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How many people do you think you have read already, Chris?
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One moment, I wrote down some quick notes while at work today in my Marauder's Map book :)

I liked Shad's defiance as it relates to Corrik. He felt properly annoyed during that time period and was pushing back in a way I liked. Not quite in the book of confirmed town but I thought he exhibited emotions consistent with a town member in those moments.
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Okay, full re-read is complete.
First, Doop's question. I don't exactly "prefer" to dump big walls rather than engage in the moment, it's more that I like to have them, because they keep me organized, but it takes time to make them. Especially when I've been gone for a while, I like to get my thoughts on everything that's happened while I'm gone.

Anyway, onto the big wall. Should be the last one for a while.

Ben:
It took me a while to figure out what I didn't like about you this game, but I've finally got it. For once, I'm not arriving to the exact same conclusions as you are about things. Whether that means you're scum remains to be seen. Neutral so far, maybe just slightly leaning scum on weird feelings about one or two things you've said.

Corrik (or, I suppose, hombad, now):
I really cannot read Corrik one way or the other, mostly because he seems to say a lot of things that he doesn't really mean. Neutral pending play from hombad.

Chris:
I kind of have to assume you're Town, because the alternative is that we're screwed. Which works out this time, because I actually think you are Town. There's one thing that you'll inevitably do to confirm this for me later, but for now, yeah.

Doop:
Like I said, it can be hard for me to decide how I feel about you sometimes. When you take it onto yourself to take a page from my book and do a player-by-player, though, I feel much more confident in saying you're Town.

Geno:
Pretty sure you're Town, both from being in Chris' confirmed Town book and from...well, let's be real, people don't do what you did on purpose. Scum especially.

Han:
I admit, I don't know you. Maybe you're always like this- never played with you before. What I do know is that it rubs me the wrong way, and not just the fact that you're targeting me.

HB:
See, things like this are the reason I re-read. I totally forgot you were new here. In that light, everything I thought was scummy is easily explained away. Plus, Chris vouches for you.

Death:
For how much you've been posting, I really have very little opinion on you one way or the other. Strange, that. I do commend you for going after geno, even if nothing really came of it- I'd have done the same, if I had been there.

Jedi:
Another new guy, but surprisingly competent. I like you for Town. Unrelated to reads, but I also love how Chris went all hostage negotiator with you when Corrik tried to attack you. 'Twas quite a laugh.

Lolo:
Similar to Death, I can't really tell whether you're Town or not. Except in your case, it's because I don't think I've played with you before.

Red:
I mean, everyone has it out for you, apparently because this isn't how you usually are. I wouldn't know. Reserving judgement for now.

Scare:
Yet another neutral read, maybe slightly Town for trying to provoke discussion a,onstage those who you admit you don't know.

FD:
Well, despite your taking offense to the way I phrased certain things, I have to say I have a mild Town read on you over all. You seem to know what you're doing, and you just generally make sense to me. What's your obsession with Sultan, though?

Shad:
Once again, Town gets mad when their reaction fishing is interrupted. That alone gives me a pretty strong read.

Sultan:
Pretty neutral overall, though I do like how you handled my (very weak) accusation. More likely Town than not.

Shonen:
I don't like how...not here you've been. Anything would be nice.

Terra:
Okay, you've literally not been here. Could I get an answer? Scum Terra likes to lurk, right?
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Hbthebattle posted...

How many people do you think you have read already, Chris?

Just two! You and Geno. I need to read some posts I just skimmed from this topic and ruminate a bit, but in general things move quick from the back half of day 1 into day 2 in terms of being able to clear the field. A couple of flips help, as well as the end of day 1.
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Chris:
I kind of have to assume you're Town, because the alternative is that we're screwed. Which works out this time, because I actually think you are Town. There's one thing that you'll inevitably do to confirm this for me later, but for now, yeah.

May I ask why you are so pessimistic about town being screwed if I am scum, Pendragon? That's a very strong statement.
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I'm town this game, Pen.
Are you?
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Doopliss_Power posted...

Ben is Town because of his playfulness, focus on finding Town over scum, and attempts to question people to figure out the game.

geno is Town because of his attempts to get Town more information on flavor (he may not be new, but he's not great either).

HB is Town because he's trying to work out the game in the topic while being open to listening to Chris to figure out how things work. Especially considering he's a ToS player, I feel he'd be a lot more lurky as scum.

Death is Town because of his reaction to geno saying Veterans aren't Town.

Jedi is Town because he didn't crumble under Corrik's pressure.

Pendragon is Town because of his intent to interact with the game.

Scare is Town because even as he was joking around with ben at the start of the game, he was asking questions to try to get a feel for things.

FD is Town because he tried to get working right at the start of the game, asking questions and being effective even before we really had any information.

HB, do you trust Chris as Town right now?

If Doop is scum I am murdering Jedi by the way.

Why would Doop who thinks Corrik is scummy (and bases some reads on this) town confirm Jedi based off a scummy player when they could be aligned and thus it is all pretend? I don't think this stance makes a whole lot of sense when you consider that Shad and I also didn't crumble under Corrik's pressure but we got shaded for it, while Jedi did much the same and it was met with "yeah he is town" instead of any suspicion.

Not a good look for Doop also because I gave Jedi a lot of chances to post meaningful content and he passed each time, despite me asking nicely several different ways. That logic break along with Jedi's fishy behavior has me thinking something is afoot.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Chris:
I kind of have to assume you're Town, because the alternative is that we're screwed. Which works out this time, because I actually think you are Town. There's one thing that you'll inevitably do to confirm this for me later, but for now, yeah.

May I ask why you are so pessimistic about town being screwed if I am scum, Pendragon? That's a very strong statement.

You're good. I know it, you know it. But more than that, you tend to dominate the discussion. A lot of the new players, and even the more experienced ones, can be swayed towards or away from someone at a word from you. I mean, I myself have two or three reads based wholly or in part on what you've said. Which is fine, because like I said, you're really good at mafia. But if you're using that force of personality against the Town, instead of for it...I wasn't there, but isn't that exactly how Town lost last game?
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Lolo_Guru posted...

I'm town this game, Pen.
Are you?

Yes.
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Also rule of four of Corrik/red/shad/me I instantly go "Red's the scum" because Red has had no ferocity at all this game and FD is a player I'd expect to recognize that just the same as me. In fact it should really ring alarm bells with every member of town that the two people who know red the best are voting for red after having multiple scum games with him this year.

Like. Alarm bells, anyone?
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Anyway let's do a bit of speculation just because I have been stressed all day, I am really projecting out here but let's just say my snap reads are right.

Scum:

Red
Doop
Jedi

Then let's get a town list going based off of that.

Corrik rule of four + red trying to get flavor for free
Shad rule of four
HB and Geno already on the list
Ben going after red let's toss that in
FD recognizing scum red
Red going after a town Han makes sense, very clumsy

8. htaeD (Death)
10. Lolo_Guru
11. Pendragon71037
13. ScareChan
16. Shonen_Bat
17. Terra-enforcer
18. TheSultanOfSlam

Leaves 2 scum in this batch.
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So going back to Doop's list if he is scum he probably included exactly 2 buddies on this:

Ben is Town because of his playfulness, focus on finding Town over scum, and attempts to question people to figure out the game.

geno is Town because of his attempts to get Town more information on flavor (he may not be new, but he's not great either).

HB is Town because he's trying to work out the game in the topic while being open to listening to Chris to figure out how things work. Especially considering he's a ToS player, I feel he'd be a lot more lurky as scum.

Death is Town because of his reaction to geno saying Veterans aren't Town.

Jedi is Town because he didn't crumble under Corrik's pressure.

Pendragon is Town because of his intent to interact with the game.

Scare is Town because even as he was joking around with ben at the start of the game, he was asking questions to try to get a feel for things.

FD is Town because he tried to get working right at the start of the game, asking questions and being effective even before we really had any information.

Actually...8 names lmao. Rule of 4 2x.

So Scare/Pendragon/Death are the three names left. I like Pendragon the most both outside of this and the reason he gave.

So Pendragon is town one of Scare/Death is scum

ONE SCUM:

13. ScareChan
8. htaeD (Death)

ONE SCUM:

10. Lolo_Guru
16. Shonen_Bat
17. Terra-enforcer
18. TheSultanOfSlam

And let's project further because Sultan was confused about the Red stuff, let's call that genuine and let's assume Shonen doesn't bus a buddy and is poking red legit.

ONE SCUM:
Lolo
Terra

So scum team of
Red
Doop
Jedi

One of Death/Scare
One of Lolo/Terra

Everyone else is town.

Massive speculation, but fun.
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Pendragon, in which areas do you disagree with me?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

And I finally sit down and realize my input for my new second monitor isn't working right, sigh lol.

I have the same issue except I knew days ago, ordered a new cable, which should have been here today, and instead the shipping was delayed and will be here "sometime in the next few days".

Which is a lot less definitive than when I woke up this morning to a message saying my package would be here today.

Worse is, of the 3 things I ordered, all on the same day, this is the one that is shipping from somewhere in southern california. The other two are already here.
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Also chris your little crusade here is incredibly dumb.
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red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

And I finally sit down and realize my input for my new second monitor isn't working right, sigh lol.

I have the same issue except I knew days ago, ordered a new cable, which should have been here today, and instead the shipping was delayed and will be here "sometime in the next few days".

Which is a lot less definitive than when I woke up this morning to a message saying my package would be here today.

Worse is, of the 3 things I ordered, all on the same day, this is the one that is shipping from somewhere in southern california. The other two are already here.

Yeah I am getting an HDMI to Monitorport adapter because my graphics card only had one HDMI slot and my DVI port is busted ergh.

Anyway Red you're scum, but you're still my friend.
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Pendragon71037 posted...

I mean, everyone has it out for you, apparently because this isn't how you usually are. I wouldn't know. Reserving judgement for now.

I don't think anyone has said this.
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red13n posted...

Also chris your little crusade here is incredibly dumb.

Well, give me something better to be doing. I don't think I am being dumb about it though. I am not zealous or shouty you just haven't done anything and the last time I thought this about you I was dead on, so I mean. Maybe try to play mafia and not call me dumb because I am really sure 16 other people aren't thinking I am playing a dumb game right now.
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