Current Events > Why was The Last Jedi so disrespectful to Poe, Hux, Finn, and Luke? (spoilers)

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Hux - 5 minutes into the movie and he's made the butt of the jokes, turned into Snokes punching bag, and later turned into Kylo Ren's punching bag. A formally somewhat respectable if sniveling leader turned into a comedic nobody slapstick routine whipping boy.

Poe - Every action he took was the correct one, every action he took was not showmanship or to be "the hero", it was to protect and preserve what remained of the Resistance in the most effective way possible. It isn't his fault the bombers were horribly designed, it isn't his fault that Holdo with held information from him (a commander, oh wait, my bad "captain", as if rank even really matters at this point anymore what with a whole 1000 people left alive in the Resistance but wtf ever) and caused unrest and anxiety among the entirety of the the Raddis' crew, leading him to take control of a situation that on the surface appeared be hopelessly stagnant.

I also want to point out that when he finally DID learn of the plan...he seemed A-ok with it, he considered it a good plan. So not only was the entire arc of him being treated like shit and called a "fly boy" in a life or death situation a complete waste of time for the audience. It also put hundreds of lives at risk for the sake of spite or "teaching" Poe a lesson he didn't need to actually learn...at all.

Finn - Hey, remember Finn? Well we don't really know what to do with him anymore now that he's separated from Rey. I have a fantastic fucking idea! How about when he wakes up he has a gauntlet of Saturday morning cartoon slapstick shit happen to him, haha that Finn, what a hoot!

And on with the list of good ideas, how about we repeat his arc from the last film and ignore whatever development he had prior! Cept this time lets give him an obnoxious side kick who...I'm not even going to get into right now because this is already going on longer than it needs to. Point is, you repeat his fucking arc from the last movie, and then when it's finally his chance/time to actually have that arc bare fruit...you completely prevent him from doing it. We all know the terrible line and the terrible scene that follows so I'm not going to review it. Not going to ignore that Finn was doing exactly what the line said he should have been doing, he just wasn't doing it the way Rose wanted him to. So fuck Rose (Nevermind that her own sister did the same damn thing Finn did and she was a hero for that).

Luke - So, the guy who previously went out of his way, to hell and back for DARTH FUCKING VADER, the meanest Dark-sider to ever do it...Had even the inkling of a thought to murder his nephew while he slept? Right. That's totally would Luke would have done. Luke was willing to die by the Emperors hand for his fathers sake, and you mean to tell me he wouldn't have extended that same grace to his young nephew? I'm not going to even rant about his character after that incident.

I kind of just had to rant I'm just pretty damn upset about this. It just makes no sense.
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Maybe I'm just nitpicking too much or something I dont fucking know agghh
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Spoiler Alert

Because of Kathleen Kennedy and her feminist agenda

Ving_Rhames posted...

Maybe I'm just nitpicking too much or something I dont fucking know agghh

You're not no matter how many SW fanboys act like any criticism is just nitpicking by the haters. Rian Johnson admitted he likes to troll audiences and he's all about subverting those expectations even if it detracts from a movie.
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Spoiler alert:

Ryan Johnson
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Southernfatman posted...

Ving_Rhames posted...

Maybe I'm just nitpicking too much or something I dont fucking know agghh

You're not no matter how many SW fanboys act like any criticism is just nitpicking by the haters. Rian Johnson admitted he likes to troll audiences and he's all about subverting those expectations even if it detracts from a movie.

Ugh yeah, the thing with subverting expectations is is that you cant just do it for the sake of doing it. Which is exactly what he did. "Oh what a twist that makes no sense at all and kind of just takes me out of this whole thing" is how I felt watching this movie. There were a couple of lines and scenes that I kind of liked. But I knew I was in for a rough ride the moment Hux had his first scene. I just didn't know how rough.
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Ving_Rhames posted...

Every action he took was the correct one, every action he took was not showmanship or to be "the hero", it was to protect and preserve what remained of the Resistance in the most effective way possible.

No, he should not have taken out the Dreadnought and in the process destroyed the entirety of the bomber fleet.

Ving_Rhames posted...

it isn't his fault that Holdo with held information from him (a commander, oh wait, my bad "captain", as if rank even really matters at this point anymore what with a whole 1000 people left alive in the Resistance but I digresss) and caused unrest and anxiety among the entirety of the the Raddis' crew, leading him to take control of a situation that on the surface appeared be hopelessly stagnant.

Are we forgetting that there was every reason to believe that someone was giving away the Resistance's position to the First Order? Or that Poe blabbed the plan to Rose and Finn resulting in the First Order finding out?
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Serious Cat posted...

No, he should not have taken out the Dreadnought and in the process destroyed the entirety of the bomber fleet.

If he hadn't taken out the Dreadnought, it would have been over after the first warp tracking. Of course, that IS a hindsight situation because before the warp track they didn't know that they could be tracked. Which is why he was rightfully demoted, but it ultimately ended up being a good play. I'm ignoring that the Bomber fleet was shit anyway and that the Resistance should have much better technology available to them than those pieces of garbage.

Serious Cat posted...

Are we forgetting that there was every reason to believe that someone was giving away the Resistance's position to the First Order?

If there were an implication of a mole, the only person who looks suspicious at all in this situation is Holdo herself based only on her actions. Never mind that when you speak to someone you don't have to yell loudly.

Barring that, she explicitly stated her reasoning for not telling Poe anything. Her reasoning is that he's her subordinate now and that he should shut up and do whatever she says. Never mind that keeping someone who you call "A hothead" or a "trigger happy fly boy" in the dark is probably the dumbest way to handle that situation period...as we end up seeing later anyway for the sake of manufactured drama. This whole fan idea of there being heavy handed implications of a mole are stupid. And even if there were a mole, that wouldn't have any consequence at all for the transport plan considering they were visible to anyone who went into the fucking hangar.

So no, it was petty ass spite, Holdo wasn't being clever; she was being an arrogant moron just so Mr Johnson could show us that "She's right and shes a hero!" in the end.
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Every action he took was the correct one, every action he took was not showmanship or to be "the hero", it was to protect and preserve what remained of the Resistance in the most effective way possible.

It isn't his fault the bombers were horribly designed,

Straight up ignoring your commanding officer and sending in slow bombers with only a small fighter escort against Capital Ships and Fighters? In what Galaxy is that the most effective way possible?

Just a reminder. He took on the Dreadnought alone. Just him. How is that not showmanship or "be the hero"? He was just in a X-Wing vs a Dreadnought.

it isn't his fault that Holdo with held information from him (a commander, oh wait, my bad "captain", as if rank even really matters at this point anymore what with a whole 1000 people left alive in the Resistance but wtf ever)

Yes it was his fault. Holdo specifically held information from him because he was deemed too much of a "hot head" at the moment. Considering he was not even listening to his direct superiors and got a lot of people/ships killed, what commander would actually not just throw him out the nearest airlock at that moment? Even the Imperials weren't that forgiving with officers who made those kind of mistakes.

caused unrest and anxiety among the entirety of the the Raddis' crew, leading him to take control of a situation that on the surface appeared be hopelessly stagnant.

Being on the run and just recently having a lot of people killed will cause a lot of anxiety on its own. Having Poe get a dress down because he was insubordinate is a little overly dramatic dont you think? Never mind the fact that it was NOT the entire crew of the Raddus that Poe got to mutiny, it was a small group of people who took key positions. If you bothered to notice quite a few people with Leia when she took back the ship.

It also put hundreds of lives at risk for the sake of spite or "teaching" Poe a lesson he didn't need to actually learn...at all.

Poe put hundreds of lives at risk for the sake of his Pride and that he was right. Because of him they found out about the plan and caused the death of nearly the entire Resistance. Without Poe making that stupid mission which gets the plan found out and gets Rey captured, a lot of things turn out differently.

Luke doesn't have to sacrifice himself, Rey doesn't leave and a good amount of Resistance fighters dont get picked off by the Supremacy.

That was Poes Arc. He had to step up to be a good Commander instead of some hot head to acted impulsively to any situation with the results justifying any means. He learned finally at the end that just throwing peoples lives into the meat grinder hoping for the best may not actually be a good idea in the end.
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How they treated Finn was close to being racist.

There is NOTHING on CB that would have changed his mind about things .

He has seen the First Order do worse to people.
Next the people in CB where HELPING both sides. So if anything this should have made him not want to support the good guys as much.

And as you stated him how he woke up was something of cartoon.. or in my Point of view a black face show.
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cjsdowg posted...

How they treated Finn was close to being racist.

There is NOTHING on CB that would have changed his mind about things .

He has seen the First Order do worse to people.
Next the people in CB where HELPING both sides. So if anything this should have made him not want to support the good guys as much.

And as you stated him how he woke up was something of cartoon.. or in my Point of view a black face show.

lmfao jesus christ dude

seek help
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Also a mole ? I keep seeing people say this and it is silly. If there was mole.. then Holdo could have said this information in need to know. That means there is a plan but it is above his rank. She acted as if there were no plans. Next if there was a mole he or she would have just told the FO where they landed and the that would have been that .
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