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KStateKing17
11/23/18 2:38:10 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
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i was told this news story would fade into obscurity after midterms because it was nothing more than an alt right talking point


because it is. migrants apply for asylum all the time, but this caravan was useful in stoking fears of "scary brown people."

this migrant caravan shouldn't be a story. no, scratch that, it should be in the frame of what are these migrants running from. but nobody wants to talk about that.

I've been wanting to know this for awhile. What country or countries are they coming from, and how come their thousands of migrants can't overpower whatever they're trying to get away from?

There's literally another topic on this board right now about military violence in Honduras.

I never noticed it but thanks anyway
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Unsugarized_Foo
11/23/18 2:38:31 PM
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HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


Most of them probably barely contribute much to the tax income as it is, and get disappointed if their tax refund isn't as much as they hoped
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Ray_Dorset
11/23/18 2:38:56 PM
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I always hear people on the right talking about pro-open borders people. Any chance y'all can actually name some of them?
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FLUFFYGERM
11/23/18 2:39:26 PM
#56:


Ray_Dorset posted...
I always hear people on the right talking about pro-open borders people. Any chance y'all can actually name some of them?


Pay more attention. Some of the leftists on CE have openly posted about how we should have open borders.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 2:40:11 PM
#57:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


They don't actually care about the refugees or having open borders. They just know that the southern border is mostly conservative countryside and they want to force the cost burden onto those taxpayers by straining their local infrastructure and systems.

Its amazing how regularly you paddle insane conspiracy theories
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PleaseClap
11/23/18 2:40:22 PM
#58:


Ray_Dorset posted...
I always hear people on the right talking about pro-open borders people. Any chance y'all can actually name some of them?

There was a dude on twitter once
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 2:40:33 PM
#59:


From my experience immigrants from Latin America tend to assimilate into US culture very well.

But that doesn't mean we should have open borders.
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davyheinz
11/23/18 2:40:54 PM
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Proudclad meltdown imminent
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Ray_Dorset
11/23/18 2:41:06 PM
#61:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
I always hear people on the right talking about pro-open borders people. Any chance y'all can actually name some of them?


Pay more attention. Some of the leftists on CE have openly posted about how we should have open borders.


I highly doubt that. But if you can prove me wrong, that'd be great.
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VectorChaos
11/23/18 2:41:06 PM
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Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 2:41:56 PM
#63:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


Most of them probably barely contribute much to the tax income as it is, and get disappointed if their tax refund isn't as much as they hoped

Is there anyone who isnt disappointed when their refund is less than they expected?
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 2:42:34 PM
#64:


Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?
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Unsugarized_Foo
11/23/18 2:42:59 PM
#65:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


Most of them probably barely contribute much to the tax income as it is, and get disappointed if their tax refund isn't as much as they hoped

Is there anyone who isnt disappointed when their refund is less than they expected?


Im usually not, cause it means I've done good for myself through out the year
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LinksLiege
11/23/18 2:43:10 PM
#66:


PleaseClap posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
I always hear people on the right talking about pro-open borders people. Any chance y'all can actually name some of them?

There was a dude on twitter once

One of my FB friends is one. But she's kinda nuts and practices wicca and such so she's not exactly worth taking seriously.

davyheinz posted...
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 2:43:39 PM
#67:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?

Its not. You cant just make up new definitions. Letting in asylum seekers and refugees is letting in asylum seekers and refugees, not open borders.
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ROBANN_88
11/23/18 2:43:47 PM
#68:


HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


i remember a funny thing about that.
here in Sweden a few years ago, some leftists were going all over Twiterr and facebook saying shit like "don't deport the migrants, sendme instead, i'll take that fall"
it was basically just a "look at how good of a person i am" campaign, knowing full well it would never happen.

well, one of the groups on the right tried to take them up on the offer, called a few of these people and said, "if you go to Afghanistan" i'll give this Mohammed guy a job, ensuring he can stay"

and well, the answers he got were a predictable "why me?" and "i can't do that"
so, a lot of virtue signaling talk, but no will to do anything at all.
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Ray_Dorset
11/23/18 2:46:31 PM
#69:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?


If they're coming here to request asylum, which is one of the legal avenues for entry into the country, it isn't exactly open border policy. I'm not saying we should let them all in, I'm saying they should all be vetted, processed, and go through the entire process and either be granted entry or denied entry.
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 2:47:47 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
Letting in asylum seekers and refugees is letting in asylum seekers and refugees, not open borders.


Just because you call yourself a refugee, that doesn't make you a legitimate refugee.

Otherwise anyone could just claim that they are a refugee because their country is dangerous (which it probably is compared to the US) and that would be de facto open borders.
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The Great Muta 22
11/23/18 2:49:00 PM
#72:


Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Letting in asylum seekers and refugees is letting in asylum seekers and refugees, not open borders.


Just because you call yourself a refugee, that doesn't make you a legitimate refugee.

Otherwise anyone could just claim that they are a refugee because their country is dangerous (which it probably is compared to the US) and that would be de facto open borders.


That's not how it works at all despite your misinformation
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sktgamer_13dude
11/23/18 2:50:38 PM
#73:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
I always hear people on the right talking about pro-open borders people. Any chance y'all can actually name some of them?


Pay more attention. Some of the leftists on CE have openly posted about how we should have open borders.

How about that claim that leftists said there was only 500 people in the caravan?

Cause no, people dont want open borders. They want people to be able to immigrate, something the right obviously vehemently opposes unless theyre white. Look at the South Africa crisis; people here wanted those refugees to come over here and apply for asylum, but god forbid a Latino family wants to do the same thing.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 2:51:21 PM
#74:


Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Letting in asylum seekers and refugees is letting in asylum seekers and refugees, not open borders.


Just because you call yourself a refugee, that doesn't make you a legitimate refugee.

Otherwise anyone could just claim that they are a refugee because their country is dangerous (which it probably is compared to the US) and that would be de facto open borders.

Dude you fucking suck at this. No, thats not open borders. Refugees and asylum seekers are detained and vetted before a decision is made.
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Ray_Dorset
11/23/18 2:51:55 PM
#75:


Spooking posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?


If they're coming here to request asylum, which is one of the legal avenues for entry into the country, it isn't exactly open border policy. I'm not saying we should let them all in, I'm saying they should all be vetted, processed, and go through the entire process and either be granted entry or denied entry.

Mexico offered them asylum, but they refused. They demand the US let them in or no dice.


They demand, huh? According to whom, Fox News?
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Ozai_Was_Right
11/23/18 2:54:39 PM
#76:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


Most of them probably barely contribute much to the tax income as it is, and get disappointed if their tax refund isn't as much as they hoped

Is the brain dead assumption in these posts implying that the people that support the caravan are obligated on allowing the people in the caravan to live inside of their very own homes?
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 2:55:27 PM
#77:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Letting in asylum seekers and refugees is letting in asylum seekers and refugees, not open borders.


Just because you call yourself a refugee, that doesn't make you a legitimate refugee.

Otherwise anyone could just claim that they are a refugee because their country is dangerous (which it probably is compared to the US) and that would be de facto open borders.

Dude you fucking suck at this. No, thats not open borders. Refugees and asylum seekers are detained and vetted before a decision is made.


lol at the insult, do you want to have a debate about this or do you just want to insult me?

Then detain and vet them to see if they are legitimate refugees... don't just let them in. Also the sheer number of the caravan legitimizes the US military being there to oversee it all.
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Antifar
11/23/18 2:57:14 PM
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Just so we're absolutely clear about this: I support open borders.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 2:57:54 PM
#79:


Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Letting in asylum seekers and refugees is letting in asylum seekers and refugees, not open borders.


Just because you call yourself a refugee, that doesn't make you a legitimate refugee.

Otherwise anyone could just claim that they are a refugee because their country is dangerous (which it probably is compared to the US) and that would be de facto open borders.

Dude you fucking suck at this. No, thats not open borders. Refugees and asylum seekers are detained and vetted before a decision is made.


lol at the insult, do you want to have a debate about this or do you just want to insult me?

Then detain and vet them to see if they are legitimate refugees... don't just let them in. Also the sheer number of the caravan legitimizes the US military being there to oversee it all.

I dont want to debate someone who is blatantly lying his ass off and redefining words in order to misconstrue the situation at hand, which is what youve done repeatedly.
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Ray_Dorset
11/23/18 2:58:30 PM
#80:


Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Letting in asylum seekers and refugees is letting in asylum seekers and refugees, not open borders.


Just because you call yourself a refugee, that doesn't make you a legitimate refugee.

Otherwise anyone could just claim that they are a refugee because their country is dangerous (which it probably is compared to the US) and that would be de facto open borders.

Dude you fucking suck at this. No, thats not open borders. Refugees and asylum seekers are detained and vetted before a decision is made.


lol at the insult, do you want to have a debate about this or do you just want to insult me?

Then detain and vet them to see if they are legitimate refugees... don't just let them in. Also the sheer number of the caravan legitimizes the US military being there to oversee it all.


The Pentagon didn't view the caravan as a threat. And all the troops are going home soon anyways.
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 3:00:30 PM
#81:


@King_Hellebuyck

You need to calm down bro.

I'm not lying, I'm just saying what I think. If you think I'm wrong and want to change my mind then go ahead and try. But as long as you insult me and try to defame me I'm just going to ignore you.

What is wrong with vetting everyone to see of their claims for asylum are legitimate? If it's true that Mexico offered them asylum that's a huge strike against them.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/23/18 3:00:43 PM
#82:


Antifar posted...
Just so we're absolutely clear about this: I support open borders.


@Ray_Dorset A bunch of the other socialists do too btw
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 3:04:06 PM
#83:


Damn_Underscore posted...
@King_Hellebuyck

You need to calm down bro.

I'm not lying, I'm just saying what I think. If you think I'm wrong and want to change my mind then go ahead and try. But as long as you insult me and try to defame me I'm not going to care what you have to say.

What is wrong with vetting everyone to see of their claims for asylum are legitimate? If it's true that Mexico offered them asylum that's a huge strike against them.

Dude you were blatantly lying. Fuck off.
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The Great Muta 22
11/23/18 3:05:31 PM
#84:


Damn_Underscore posted...
@King_Hellebuyck

You need to calm down bro.

I'm not lying, I'm just saying what I think. If you think I'm wrong and want to change my mind then go ahead and try. But as long as you insult me and try to defame me I'm not going to care what you have to say.

What is wrong with vetting everyone to see of their claims for asylum are legitimate? If it's true that Mexico offered them asylum that's a huge strike against them.


No one wants to debate you guys because we know it's a pointless endeavor that isn't going to result in any of you actually changing your positions. This doesn't make you correct, nor does it make you, as all of you believe, some "master debate champion who only deals in facts and is totally objective and unbiased". It's people not wanting to engage in something that will go no where and would just be a waste of everyone's time.
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LinksLiege
11/23/18 3:06:21 PM
#85:


I hope this topic is the stupidest thing I read all day. Kinda terrified to think what could be worse than this.
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 3:07:02 PM
#86:


@King_Hellebuyck

No, I wasn't. I'm not against you, I'm just saying what I think even if that happens to disagree with what you think.

You're not even responding to my questions now. Please do so or this "debate" is obviously over.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 3:08:17 PM
#87:


Stop tagging me in your meltdown. You lied repeatedly.
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 3:09:24 PM
#88:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
@King_Hellebuyck

You need to calm down bro.

I'm not lying, I'm just saying what I think. If you think I'm wrong and want to change my mind then go ahead and try. But as long as you insult me and try to defame me I'm not going to care what you have to say.

What is wrong with vetting everyone to see of their claims for asylum are legitimate? If it's true that Mexico offered them asylum that's a huge strike against them.


No one wants to debate you guys because we know it's a pointless endeavor that isn't going to result in any of you actually changing your positions. This doesn't make you correct, nor does it make you, as all of you believe, some "master debate champion who only deals in facts and is totally objective and unbiased". It's people not wanting to engage in something that will go no where and would just be a waste of everyone's time.


I can say the same exact thing back to you, funny how that works.
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HiddenLurker
11/23/18 3:11:55 PM
#89:


Ozai_Was_Right posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


Most of them probably barely contribute much to the tax income as it is, and get disappointed if their tax refund isn't as much as they hoped

Is the brain dead assumption in these posts implying that the people that support the caravan are obligated on allowing the people in the caravan to live inside of their very own homes?

If you want them in then why is it on someone else to support them?
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TrumpTrain
11/23/18 3:12:07 PM
#90:


ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.

South Americans are Christians. I don't mind helping them because we are more compatible.
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 3:12:28 PM
#91:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Stop tagging me in your meltdown. You lied repeatedly.


Ok, just stop.

It's funny how a lot of people claim "MELTDOWN!!" when the other person just doesn't agree with them. Why can't you accept that I wasn't lying about anything? I'm literally just saying what I think.

This is not worth it. Bye.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/23/18 3:13:35 PM
#92:


Damn_Underscore posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Stop tagging me in your meltdown. You lied repeatedly.


Ok, just stop.

It's funny how a lot of people claim "MELTDOWN!!" when the other person just doesn't agree with them. Why can't you accept that I wasn't lying about anything? I'm literally just saying what I think.

This is not worth it. Bye.

You: repeated lies
Me: stop lying
You: tags me repeatedly while crying
Me: dont tag me in your meltdown
You: IM NOT LYING OR MELTING DOWN I SWEAR
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TendoDRM
11/23/18 3:16:00 PM
#93:


Spooking posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?


If they're coming here to request asylum, which is one of the legal avenues for entry into the country, it isn't exactly open border policy. I'm not saying we should let them all in, I'm saying they should all be vetted, processed, and go through the entire process and either be granted entry or denied entry.

Mexico offered them asylum, but they refused. They demand the US let them in or no dice.

Actually thousands did accept Mexico's offer.
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Ozai_Was_Right
11/23/18 3:16:58 PM
#94:


HiddenLurker posted...
Ozai_Was_Right posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
we're about to see how you handle a small taste of what europe has been going through since atleast 2015.


imo they should all be given housing in trump's properties and should be allowed to live in them rent free for the rest of their lives at the personal expense of trump himself.

Funny how the open boarders people never want to have to bear any cost of allowing them in.


Most of them probably barely contribute much to the tax income as it is, and get disappointed if their tax refund isn't as much as they hoped

Is the brain dead assumption in these posts implying that the people that support the caravan are obligated on allowing the people in the caravan to live inside of their very own homes?

If you want them in then why is it on someone else to support them?

Is this you admitting to being brain dead?
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 3:18:33 PM
#95:


TendoDRM posted...
Spooking posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?


If they're coming here to request asylum, which is one of the legal avenues for entry into the country, it isn't exactly open border policy. I'm not saying we should let them all in, I'm saying they should all be vetted, processed, and go through the entire process and either be granted entry or denied entry.

Mexico offered them asylum, but they refused. They demand the US let them in or no dice.

Actually thousands did accept Mexico's offer.


If Mexico offered them all asylum, what claim do the people who refused have for asylum in the US?
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Ozai_Was_Right
11/23/18 3:20:20 PM
#97:


Damn_Underscore posted...
TendoDRM posted...
Spooking posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?


If they're coming here to request asylum, which is one of the legal avenues for entry into the country, it isn't exactly open border policy. I'm not saying we should let them all in, I'm saying they should all be vetted, processed, and go through the entire process and either be granted entry or denied entry.

Mexico offered them asylum, but they refused. They demand the US let them in or no dice.

Actually thousands did accept Mexico's offer.


If Mexico offered them all asylum, what claim do the people who refused have for asylum in the US?

That they're trying to escape cartel violence, so why would they take asylum in Mexico?

Latin America cartels don't operate in Mexico?
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Ray_Dorset
11/23/18 3:20:23 PM
#98:


Damn_Underscore posted...
TendoDRM posted...
Spooking posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?


If they're coming here to request asylum, which is one of the legal avenues for entry into the country, it isn't exactly open border policy. I'm not saying we should let them all in, I'm saying they should all be vetted, processed, and go through the entire process and either be granted entry or denied entry.

Mexico offered them asylum, but they refused. They demand the US let them in or no dice.

Actually thousands did accept Mexico's offer.


If Mexico offered them all asylum, what claim do the people who refused have for asylum in the US?


Maybe the fact they want to come to the US is why they aren't staying somewhere else?
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Damn_Underscore
11/23/18 3:23:13 PM
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Letting this caravan in because they demand to be let it is de facto open borders.

I'm sorry you don't like the phrase "open borders" but what else should it be called?


If they're coming here to request asylum, which is one of the legal avenues for entry into the country, it isn't exactly open border policy. I'm not saying we should let them all in, I'm saying they should all be vetted, processed, and go through the entire process and either be granted entry or denied entry.

Mexico offered them asylum, but they refused. They demand the US let them in or no dice.

Actually thousands did accept Mexico's offer.


If Mexico offered them all asylum, what claim do the people who refused have for asylum in the US?


Maybe the fact they want to come to the US is why they aren't staying somewhere else?


I mean from the US's point of view. Why should they take them in as refugees when they refused asylum from another country?
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tennisdude818
11/23/18 3:23:45 PM
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Open borders keep the left in power.

Welfare use varies among immigrant groups. Households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico (73 percent), the Caribbean (51 percent), and Africa (48 percent) have the highest overall welfare use. Those from East Asia (32 percent), Europe (26 percent), and South Asia (17 percent) have the lowest.


https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households
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