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t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:29:20 PM #1:	https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/amazon-workers-strike-germany-spain-black-friday-122204408--finance.html This comment I think is pretty thought provoking. I'm a millennial but on the older end of the generation. 32 years. It recently dawned on me the conundrum we have as a society with pay. I was asking one of my employees who is 21 and I supervise what he thinks he should be paid. He replied around $65,000 a year to be "comfortable." I asked him how he arrived at this figure and he immediately started speaking about the things in his life he needs to afford. Housing, car, debt, spending cash etc... At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars. As a business owner, I completely understand and can sympathize with people "feeling" they should be paid a fair living wage but #1 that term is very subjective to A. Where you live in this country and B. What type of lifestyle you are trying to live. We no longer talk about what the value of the work is to the organization and the skill set needed to perform the duties. If you perform low skill or easily replaceable job you have to understand the value of your work will not be high. People feel as if their pay = their individual worth. Working in the armed forces, being a teacher cop doesn't mean you are personally better than someone flipping burgers but the value of your job is more important to the free market. And this is where people stop using rational thought. There is nothing wrong with working low skill or menial jobs but when you expect to raise a family and pay all your bills of these incomes you are setting yourself up for failure. No amount of government intervention will ever make you satisfied because if there is one thing a capitalist structure ensures is the continual evolution to protect profits. They will find a way to replace you. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912902787] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/amazon-workers-strike-germany-spain-black-friday-122204408--finance.html This comment I think is pretty thought provoking. <quote>I'm a millennial but on the older end of the generation. 32 years. It recently dawned on me the conundrum we have as a society with pay. I was asking one of my employees who is 21 and I supervise what he thinks he should be paid. He replied around $65,000 a year to be "comfortable." I asked him how he arrived at this figure and he immediately started speaking about the things in his life he needs to afford. Housing, car, debt, spending cash etc... At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars. As a business owner, I completely understand and can sympathize with people "feeling" they should be paid a fair living wage but #1 that term is very subjective to A. Where you live in this country and B. What type of lifestyle you are trying to live. We no longer talk about what the value of the work is to the organization and the skill set needed to perform the duties. If you perform low skill or easily replaceable job you have to understand the value of your work will not be high. People feel as if their pay = their individual worth. Working in the armed forces, being a teacher cop doesn't mean you are personally better than someone flipping burgers but the value of your job is more important to the free market. And this is where people stop using rational thought. There is nothing wrong with working low skill or menial jobs but when you expect to raise a family and pay all your bills of these incomes you are setting yourself up for failure. No amount of government intervention will ever make you satisfied because if there is one thing a capitalist structure ensures is the continual evolution to protect profits. They will find a way to replace you. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/23/18 12:34:23 PM #2:	Solidarity with the workers --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:912902973] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>Solidarity with the workers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QueenCarly 11/23/18 12:39:22 PM #3:	t_paynes_ghost posted... At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHNHoZ6XnXX2fhC/giphy.gif <cite>QueenCarly posted [p:912903180] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote> At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars</quote> oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:43:18 PM #4:	QueenCarly posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense You aren't owed a wage, you earn a wage, I make a comfy wage now, but I did not at first, because my skills were worth much less out of school than they are now, because I have more skills and experience to back them up. What that wage is is up to employer/employee, but by no means do you have a right to a certain wage above minimum. An employee is free to disagree and find what he or she believes he or she is worth elsewhere. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912903350] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote> At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars</quote> oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense</quote> You aren't owed a wage, you earn a wage, I make a comfy wage now, but I did not at first, because my skills were worth much less out of school than they are now, because I have more skills and experience to back them up. What that wage is is up to employer/employee, but by no means do you have a right to a certain wage above minimum. An employee is free to disagree and find what he or she believes he or she is worth elsewhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 12:44:45 PM #5:	fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912903412] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:46:58 PM #7:	FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912903506] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:48:10 PM #8:	Godnorgosh posted... Strikes and picket lines have worked in the past and they will work again here, if the energy is sustained. What you happen to think Amazon workers should be paid doesn't change that. It's scary today though, since Amazon has been pushing automation. This strike might just leave them out of a job as they see robots enter the docking bay and take over the job they once had. It's a gamble, and the long term effects may not be worth it. On the other hand, it's important to fight for basic human rights on the job. It's really tough but ultimately I don't see how the workers win long term on this one. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912903555] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Strikes and picket lines have worked in the past and they will work again here, if the energy is sustained. What you happen to think Amazon workers should be paid doesn't change that.</quote> It's scary today though, since Amazon has been pushing automation. This strike might just leave them out of a job as they see robots enter the docking bay and take over the job they once had. It's a gamble, and the long term effects may not be worth it. On the other hand, it's important to fight for basic human rights on the job. It's really tough but ultimately I don't see how the workers win long term on this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 12:49:14 PM #9:	t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there. it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912903606] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there.</quote> it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 11/23/18 12:50:23 PM #10:	All they're doing is speeding up their demise, this only encourages Amazon to speed up automation. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 8 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 9-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 1-8 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:912903653] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>All they're doing is speeding up their demise, this only encourages Amazon to speed up automation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 12:50:36 PM #11:	t_paynes_ghost posted... It's scary today though, since Amazon has been pushing automation. why is that scary? automation is a good thing. pretty much only Luddites whined about it back in the day when automation replaced backbreaking agricultural work and etc --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912903663] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>It's scary today though, since Amazon has been pushing automation.</quote> why is that scary? automation is a good thing. pretty much only Luddites whined about it back in the day when automation replaced backbreaking agricultural work and etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:50:57 PM #12:	FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there. it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days. In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912903676] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there.</quote> it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days.</quote> In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 11/23/18 12:51:20 PM #13:	It's time for Western society as a whole to start analyzing what our future lifestyles are going to be based on a future economic system, because salaries and wages are not going to be sustainable in the face of automation and increased productivity. --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/99 Cook <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:912903694] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>It's time for Western society as a whole to start analyzing what our future lifestyles are going to be based on a future economic system, because salaries and wages are not going to be sustainable in the face of automation and increased productivity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bananana 11/23/18 12:51:30 PM #14:	Thought-provoking This basically reads get another job if you want to sustain a family, which is the problem thats existed for years because there arent enough jobs So someone who works for Amazon shouldnt be able to have a family because the richest CEO in the world is a cheap bastard? Sounds sensible. --- I need a sig:/ http://error1355.com/ce/Bananana.html <cite>Bananana posted [p:912903703] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>Thought-provoking This basically reads get another job if you want to sustain a family, which is the problem thats existed for years because there arent enough jobs So someone who works for Amazon shouldnt be able to have a family because the richest CEO in the world is a cheap bastard? Sounds sensible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:52:23 PM #15:	Bananana posted... Thought-provoking This basically reads get another job if you want to sustain a family, which is the problem thats existed for years because there arent enough jobs So someone who works for Amazon shouldnt be able to have a family because the richest CEO in the world is a cheap bastard? Sounds sensible. That is an extremely reductionist view. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912903742] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bananana posted...</cite> <quote>Thought-provoking This basically reads get another job if you want to sustain a family, which is the problem thats existed for years because there arent enough jobs So someone who works for Amazon shouldnt be able to have a family because the richest CEO in the world is a cheap bastard? Sounds sensible.</quote> That is an extremely reductionist view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 11/23/18 12:54:51 PM #16:	t_paynes_ghost posted... In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:912903855] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 12:54:58 PM #17:	t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there. it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days. In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912903862] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there.</quote> it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days.</quote> In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 12:55:51 PM #18:	s0nicfan posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things yep, that's how we did it --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912903898] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things</quote> yep, that's how we did it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:56:03 PM #19:	FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there. it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days. In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw You kind of just contradicted your own point there. Not as many people saturating the labor market = better pay = easier life economy <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912903905] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there.</quote> it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days.</quote> In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw</quote> You kind of just contradicted your own point there. Not as many people saturating the labor market = better pay = easier life economy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 11/23/18 12:57:01 PM #20:	i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:912903947] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:57:10 PM #21:	s0nicfan posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things well internet and smartphones didn't exist back then, but aside from that, my wife and I live that exact same way and we would die on a grocery store salary. Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912903954] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things</quote> well internet and smartphones didn't exist back then, but aside from that, my wife and I live that exact same way and we would die on a grocery store salary. Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 11/23/18 12:57:12 PM #22:	FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees This. Although in this day and age, there are plenty of people who would take that job that the others' don't want. --- https://imgtc.com/i/uBYqPMK.gif https://imgtc.com/i/UAGNJFv.gif https://imgtc.com/i/cBTnWgf.png https://imgtc.com/i/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:912903957] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> This. Although in this day and age, there are plenty of people who would take that job that the others' don't want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/23/18 12:57:21 PM #23:	FLUFFYGERM posted... it has always been expensive to start your own life. Not really. It's more expensive to be poor than it is to be rich. Rich people have no problems starting their own life. They can do things like buy a house for cash straight up. They'll not only be able to buy it for less than appraisal value, but won't have to pay for things like interest or PMI. A poor person who can only afford the same house through a loan ends up paying twice as much for the same house as the guy who can afford it entirely up front. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:912903964] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>it has always been expensive to start your own life.</quote> Not really. It's more expensive to be poor than it is to be rich. Rich people have no problems starting their own life. They can do things like buy a house for cash straight up. They'll not only be able to buy it for less than appraisal value, but won't have to pay for things like interest or PMI. A poor person who can only afford the same house through a loan ends up paying twice as much for the same house as the guy who can afford it entirely up front.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 11/23/18 12:58:06 PM #24:	So this guy created a strawman to make a point? I think most rationale people believe that there's a middle ground between the conditions/pay now and $65k a year. I've worked a lot of factory/warehouse jobs in my youth and they're often pretty difficult if you're good at it. With that said, theres lots of lazy fucks in there too. Honestly, a piece work pay structure helps separate skilled from unskilled in this situation and benefit both sides but the massive layoffs would cause issues. The most likely outcome of this is to unionize which brings it's own issues but is probably better for the employees overall. --- PSN: Jiek FFRK: Tyro God Wall KZcv <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:912903996] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>So this guy created a strawman to make a point? I think most rationale people believe that there's a middle ground between the conditions/pay now and $65k a year. I've worked a lot of factory/warehouse jobs in my youth and they're often pretty difficult if you're good at it. With that said, theres lots of lazy fucks in there too. Honestly, a piece work pay structure helps separate skilled from unskilled in this situation and benefit both sides but the massive layoffs would cause issues. The most likely outcome of this is to unionize which brings it's own issues but is probably better for the employees overall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 12:58:25 PM #25:	t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there. it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days. In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw You kind of just contradicted your own point there. Not as many people saturating the labor market = better pay = easier life economy i didnt contradict my poiny at all. it's obvious that less people competing for a job eventually means higher pay if someone cant be found. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912904014] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there.</quote> it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days.</quote> In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw</quote> You kind of just contradicted your own point there. Not as many people saturating the labor market = better pay = easier life economy</quote> i didnt contradict my poiny at all. it's obvious that less people competing for a job eventually means higher pay if someone cant be found.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 12:58:38 PM #26:	andel posted... i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it, so you're not really paying less in the longterm. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.) <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912904029] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least</quote> I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it, so you're not really paying less in the longterm. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krojen 11/23/18 1:00:24 PM #27:	Companies aren't owed cheap labor either. If they can't replace them then they have to pay. Automation is going to take everyone's job sooner rather than later and that's only a bad thing if we refuse to prepare for the transition. You're not going to meaningfully slow down the progression of technology by accepting unlivable wages. So the strikes leading to faster automation is a dumb argument. --- https://imgur.com/hI4hAMb <cite>Krojen posted [p:912904107] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>Companies aren't owed cheap labor either. If they can't replace them then they have to pay. Automation is going to take everyone's job sooner rather than later and that's only a bad thing if we refuse to prepare for the transition. You're not going to meaningfully slow down the progression of technology by accepting unlivable wages. So the strikes leading to faster automation is a dumb argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:00:30 PM #28:	FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there. it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days. In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw You kind of just contradicted your own point there. Not as many people saturating the labor market = better pay = easier life economy i didnt contradict my poiny at all. it's obvious that less people competing for a job eventually means higher pay if someone cant be found. Which makes it easier to start a life back then. Less competition = higher pay = easier launch point. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912904113] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>fire em and hire people who want the job if you cant find any replacements due to the competitive market, you have no choice but to pay more to retain quality employees</quote> Yes. I can empthasize with millenials though. It seems like it's never been more expensive to just be able to live even frugally. As well they went to school and took on a lot of debt to develop skills that allow them to enter the workforce, but since everyone was told school is the way to success, their skills are worth less since there's so much more of it out there.</quote> it has always been expensive to start your own life. when my parents came to america rent was half their takehome income for smaller housing than what is considered normal these days.</quote> In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> prolly when people had much smaller housing on average and there weren't as many people saturating the labor market you can still have that type of life in parts of america btw</quote> You kind of just contradicted your own point there. Not as many people saturating the labor market = better pay = easier life economy</quote> i didnt contradict my poiny at all. it's obvious that less people competing for a job eventually means higher pay if someone cant be found.</quote> Which makes it easier to start a life back then. Less competition = higher pay = easier launch point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QueenCarly 11/23/18 1:00:42 PM #29:	t_paynes_ghost posted... QueenCarly posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense You aren't owed a wage, you earn a wage, I make a comfy wage now, but I did not at first, because my skills were worth much less out of school than they are now, because I have more skills and experience to back them up. What that wage is is up to employer/employee, but by no means do you have a right to a certain wage above minimum. An employee is free to disagree and find what he or she believes he or she is worth elsewhere. How does the leather taste? --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHNHoZ6XnXX2fhC/giphy.gif <cite>QueenCarly posted [p:912904122] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote> At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars</quote> oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense</quote> You aren't owed a wage, you earn a wage, I make a comfy wage now, but I did not at first, because my skills were worth much less out of school than they are now, because I have more skills and experience to back them up. What that wage is is up to employer/employee, but by no means do you have a right to a certain wage above minimum. An employee is free to disagree and find what he or she believes he or she is worth elsewhere.</quote> How does the leather taste?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 11/23/18 1:01:22 PM #30:	t_paynes_ghost posted... andel posted... i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.) agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:912904154] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least</quote> I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.)</quote> agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:01:29 PM #31:	QueenCarly posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... QueenCarly posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense You aren't owed a wage, you earn a wage, I make a comfy wage now, but I did not at first, because my skills were worth much less out of school than they are now, because I have more skills and experience to back them up. What that wage is is up to employer/employee, but by no means do you have a right to a certain wage above minimum. An employee is free to disagree and find what he or she believes he or she is worth elsewhere. How does the leather taste? Tasted rough at first, but now that I've earned my way to a comfy wage I don't even put on my bootstraps anymore. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912904159] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote> At no point did he ever equate the value of his worth to the company or the work he was doing in real dollars</quote> oh no think of the poor companies that shit isn't thought provoking, its just bootlicking nonsense</quote> You aren't owed a wage, you earn a wage, I make a comfy wage now, but I did not at first, because my skills were worth much less out of school than they are now, because I have more skills and experience to back them up. What that wage is is up to employer/employee, but by no means do you have a right to a certain wage above minimum. An employee is free to disagree and find what he or she believes he or she is worth elsewhere.</quote> How does the leather taste?</quote> Tasted rough at first, but now that I've earned my way to a comfy wage I don't even put on my bootstraps anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:14:33 PM #33:	Godnorgosh posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... Godnorgosh posted... Strikes and picket lines have worked in the past and they will work again here, if the energy is sustained. What you happen to think Amazon workers should be paid doesn't change that. It's scary today though, since Amazon has been pushing automation. This strike might just leave them out of a job as they see robots enter the docking bay and take over the job they once had. It's a gamble, and the long term effects may not be worth it. On the other hand, it's important to fight for basic human rights on the job. It's really tough but ultimately I don't see how the workers win long term on this one. Automation will happen regardless. Then you fight for the right of the unemployed to exist. When the amount of homeless and hungry reaches a point we can call it "masses". Change will happen, but it will not look pretty. It's happened time and again in human history. Time flows like a river. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912904747] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>Strikes and picket lines have worked in the past and they will work again here, if the energy is sustained. What you happen to think Amazon workers should be paid doesn't change that.</quote> It's scary today though, since Amazon has been pushing automation. This strike might just leave them out of a job as they see robots enter the docking bay and take over the job they once had. It's a gamble, and the long term effects may not be worth it. On the other hand, it's important to fight for basic human rights on the job. It's really tough but ultimately I don't see how the workers win long term on this one.</quote> Automation will happen regardless. Then you fight for the right of the unemployed to exist.</quote> When the amount of homeless and hungry reaches a point we can call it "masses". Change will happen, but it will not look pretty. It's happened time and again in human history. Time flows like a river.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:14:50 PM #34:	Tyranthraxus posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... it has always been expensive to start your own life. Not really. It's more expensive to be poor than it is to be rich. Rich people have no problems starting their own life. They can do things like buy a house for cash straight up. They'll not only be able to buy it for less than appraisal value, but won't have to pay for things like interest or PMI. A poor person who can only afford the same house through a loan ends up paying twice as much for the same house as the guy who can afford it entirely up front. "Someone who saves $10,000 can by a $10,000 car with cash instead of financing it and paying interest!!1111" That's really all your complaint boils down to. You're asserting basic mathematical statements as if anyone should have a problem with them. If you're poor, don't take out a loan that has high interest and PMI on it so that you can instead leverage that income into acquiring more skills. Pretty basic stuff. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912904760] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>it has always been expensive to start your own life.</quote> Not really. It's more expensive to be poor than it is to be rich. Rich people have no problems starting their own life. They can do things like buy a house for cash straight up. They'll not only be able to buy it for less than appraisal value, but won't have to pay for things like interest or PMI. A poor person who can only afford the same house through a loan ends up paying twice as much for the same house as the guy who can afford it entirely up front.</quote> "Someone who saves $10,000 can by a $10,000 car with cash instead of financing it and paying interest!!1111" That's really all your complaint boils down to. You're asserting basic mathematical statements as if anyone should have a problem with them. If you're poor, don't take out a loan that has high interest and PMI on it so that you can instead leverage that income into acquiring more skills. Pretty basic stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:16:15 PM #35:	@t_paynes_ghost posted... Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912904834] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>@t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:17:46 PM #36:	andel posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... andel posted... i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.) agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation someone living off of minimum wage should use public transport or get a used car. financing a car at that low pay is just a good way to make sure you stay poor. live with room mates or with parents, save as much as fucking possible so that you can get new skills that translate into higher pay, and then you can have your own car and your own apartment. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912904891] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least</quote> I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.)</quote> agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation</quote> someone living off of minimum wage should use public transport or get a used car. financing a car at that low pay is just a good way to make sure you stay poor. live with room mates or with parents, save as much as fucking possible so that you can get new skills that translate into higher pay, and then you can have your own car and your own apartment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:18:15 PM #37:	FLUFFYGERM posted... @t_paynes_ghost posted... Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot. Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912904923] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot.</quote> Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:22:30 PM #38:	t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @t_paynes_ghost posted... Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot. Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result. Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912905093] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot.</quote> Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result.</quote> Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManBeast462 11/23/18 1:24:32 PM #39:	You make what you offer to the economy. Entitled bitches ugh --- Fear the Beast / she will return > https://tinyurl.com/yb2parlb https://imgur.com/EKKJrY6 <cite>ManBeast462 posted [p:912905181] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>You make what you offer to the economy. Entitled bitches ugh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 11/23/18 1:24:37 PM #40:	FLUFFYGERM posted... andel posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... andel posted... i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.) agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation someone living off of minimum wage should use public transport or get a used car. financing a car at that low pay is just a good way to make sure you stay poor. live with room mates or with parents, save as much as fucking possible so that you can get new skills that translate into higher pay, and then you can have your own car and your own apartment. most places dont have reliable public transportation. obviously they should buy a used car but the point is that a single person should at least be able to make ends meet and live frugally on minimum wage. why should taxpayers have to subsidize billion dollar companies like walmart? --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:912905183] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least</quote> I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.)</quote> agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation</quote> someone living off of minimum wage should use public transport or get a used car. financing a car at that low pay is just a good way to make sure you stay poor. live with room mates or with parents, save as much as fucking possible so that you can get new skills that translate into higher pay, and then you can have your own car and your own apartment.</quote> most places dont have reliable public transportation. obviously they should buy a used car but the point is that a single person should at least be able to make ends meet and live frugally on minimum wage. why should taxpayers have to subsidize billion dollar companies like walmart?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:26:11 PM #41:	andel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... andel posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... andel posted... i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.) agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation someone living off of minimum wage should use public transport or get a used car. financing a car at that low pay is just a good way to make sure you stay poor. live with room mates or with parents, save as much as fucking possible so that you can get new skills that translate into higher pay, and then you can have your own car and your own apartment. most places dont have reliable public transportation. obviously they should buy a used car but the point is that a single person should at least be able to make ends meet and live frugally on minimum wage. why should taxpayers have to subsidize billion dollar companies like walmart? A single person who wants to live comfortably is not entitled to their own apartment and expensive financed luxuries. You have to earn it. Don't move out before you can afford it, live with room mates, and think long term. Pretty simple shit. The majority of people in dire financial straits didn't need to move out or leave their room mates behind so soon, but they just chose to because of the culture. And then they pay the price for it. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912905239] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>i think minimum wage should definitely go up and people making minimum wage should at least be able to live on that income as a single person with rent/expenses/ect. obviously no one is owed something like 65k annually if they have no skills in demand and you shouldnt necessarily expect to raise a family on minimum wage but it should definitely go up to match inflation at the least</quote> I agree. I get irked when people shop at Walmart because it's "cheap" Like, yeah it's cheap, but your taxes are paying for the welfare of those employees because they can't live off of it. I fully believe if you hold a steady full time job, you should at least be able to afford a basic life. I consider that a baseline. Though I think many millenials would disagree on what I believe "basic" means. (Restaurants aren't basic, booze isn't basic, etc.)</quote> agreed. a single person should be able to live off of minimum wage in that they can finance a car, have an apartment with a few basic luxuries here and there. obviously if you have kids you should develop some skills or go to school to improve your situation</quote> someone living off of minimum wage should use public transport or get a used car. financing a car at that low pay is just a good way to make sure you stay poor. live with room mates or with parents, save as much as fucking possible so that you can get new skills that translate into higher pay, and then you can have your own car and your own apartment.</quote> most places dont have reliable public transportation. obviously they should buy a used car but the point is that a single person should at least be able to make ends meet and live frugally on minimum wage. why should taxpayers have to subsidize billion dollar companies like walmart?</quote> A single person who wants to live comfortably is not entitled to their own apartment and expensive financed luxuries. You have to earn it. Don't move out before you can afford it, live with room mates, and think long term. Pretty simple shit. The majority of people in dire financial straits didn't need to move out or leave their room mates behind so soon, but they just chose to because of the culture. And then they pay the price for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:35:20 PM #42:	FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @t_paynes_ghost posted... Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot. Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result. Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems? I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912905593] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot.</quote> Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result.</quote> Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems?</quote> I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:37:07 PM #43:	t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @t_paynes_ghost posted... Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot. Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result. Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems? I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay. Even if you had to pay $5,000 to have a baby in America, the salary difference would be so substantial (and with much lower rent) that you'd easily come out ahead. As a senior developer in America in a reasonable cost of living area you can still pull in $120,000 to $150,000 a year as a senior developer if you're good. Your rent would be no where near 50% of your take-home like it is now and you'd get health insurance that would make sure your child birth costs are not more than a couple grand at most. Potentially not even $1,000 if your insurance is good It's a no-brainer financially. That's why talented devs and IT people want to come here. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912905673] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot.</quote> Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result.</quote> Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems?</quote> I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay.</quote> Even if you had to pay $5,000 to have a baby in America, the salary difference would be so substantial (and with much lower rent) that you'd easily come out ahead. As a senior developer in America in a reasonable cost of living area you can still pull in $120,000 to $150,000 a year as a senior developer if you're good. Your rent would be no where near 50% of your take-home like it is now and you'd get health insurance that would make sure your child birth costs are not more than a couple grand at most. Potentially not even $1,000 if your insurance is good It's a no-brainer financially. That's why talented devs and IT people want to come here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:40:51 PM #44:	FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @t_paynes_ghost posted... Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot. Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result. Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems? I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay. Even if you had to pay $5,000 to have a baby in America, the salary difference would be so substantial (and with much lower rent) that you'd easily come out ahead. As a senior developer in America in a reasonable cost of living area you can still pull in $120,000 to $150,000 a year as a senior developer if you're good. Your rent would be no where near 50% of your take-home like it is now and you'd get health insurance that would make sure your child birth costs are not more than a couple grand at most. Potentially not even $1,000 if your insurance is good It's a no-brainer financially. That's why talented devs and IT people want to come here. Yeah but I will pay more to live in Canada. There are certain aspects of American culture that I cannot get behind or feel comfortable with. I could also get more in my field, but I choose to make less than I'm worth because I really enjoy the place I do work, it's not fast paced and I'm given a lot of time and freedom to accomplish what I need to. It works well for the lifestyle I want to live, and my manager is beyond reasonable on what I expect and want. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912905811] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot.</quote> Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result.</quote> Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems?</quote> I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay.</quote> Even if you had to pay $5,000 to have a baby in America, the salary difference would be so substantial (and with much lower rent) that you'd easily come out ahead. As a senior developer in America in a reasonable cost of living area you can still pull in $120,000 to $150,000 a year as a senior developer if you're good. Your rent would be no where near 50% of your take-home like it is now and you'd get health insurance that would make sure your child birth costs are not more than a couple grand at most. Potentially not even $1,000 if your insurance is good It's a no-brainer financially. That's why talented devs and IT people want to come here.</quote> Yeah but I will pay more to live in Canada. There are certain aspects of American culture that I cannot get behind or feel comfortable with. I could also get more in my field, but I choose to make less than I'm worth because I really enjoy the place I do work, it's not fast paced and I'm given a lot of time and freedom to accomplish what I need to. It works well for the lifestyle I want to live, and my manager is beyond reasonable on what I expect and want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:41:56 PM #45:	t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... @t_paynes_ghost posted... Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that. what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot. Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result. Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems? I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay. Even if you had to pay $5,000 to have a baby in America, the salary difference would be so substantial (and with much lower rent) that you'd easily come out ahead. As a senior developer in America in a reasonable cost of living area you can still pull in $120,000 to $150,000 a year as a senior developer if you're good. Your rent would be no where near 50% of your take-home like it is now and you'd get health insurance that would make sure your child birth costs are not more than a couple grand at most. Potentially not even $1,000 if your insurance is good It's a no-brainer financially. That's why talented devs and IT people want to come here. Yeah but I will pay more to live in Canada. There are certain aspects of American culture that I cannot get behind or feel comfortable with. I could also get more in my field, but I choose to make less than I'm worth because I really enjoy the place I do work, it's not fast paced and I'm given a lot of time and freedom to accomplish what I need to. It works well for the lifestyle I want to live, and my manager is beyond reasonable on what I expect and want. Well then you do you. At least don't walk away from this conversation with a bad impression of how things actually are in America. If it was really so risky to have a baby here people would stop having kids completely. Those horror stories you hear in the media are outliers. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912905839] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>Frugality and budgeting is my main hobby, and we'd be screwed on a senior developer salary if we didn't do that.</quote> what socialist dump do you live in that a senior developer salary isn't enough to live a very comfortable life off of? holy fuck dude. get outta there. at that experience level you should be pulling in enough to live very comfortably and still be able to save a lot.</quote> Well I am supporting a wife (stay at home mom, we both chose this) and a kid. So that makes it pretty tight. Developer jobs in Canada are only in a few cities so we're kinda cornered into dumping at least 40% of take home pay into rent as a result.</quote> Get the fuck outta there and come to America. Just leave any left-wing politics behind because otherwise it'll just become the same way here. Although I still believe you should be super comfortable on a single senior developer salary even if you're in Canada, unless you're living in like downtown Quebec or Toronto so you can walk to work. What stack are you working with? Are you into web? Mobile? Embedded systems?</quote> I live in Scarborough, on the outskirts of Toronto, and work in Richmond Hill. Don't get me wrong, we are debt free and not struggling thanks to my wifes Mat leave. I will never move to America. Having the baby in America would have put us under completely. I paid about $50 to have the baby, and that all comes from the parking I had to pay.</quote> Even if you had to pay $5,000 to have a baby in America, the salary difference would be so substantial (and with much lower rent) that you'd easily come out ahead. As a senior developer in America in a reasonable cost of living area you can still pull in $120,000 to $150,000 a year as a senior developer if you're good. Your rent would be no where near 50% of your take-home like it is now and you'd get health insurance that would make sure your child birth costs are not more than a couple grand at most. Potentially not even $1,000 if your insurance is good It's a no-brainer financially. That's why talented devs and IT people want to come here.</quote> Yeah but I will pay more to live in Canada. There are certain aspects of American culture that I cannot get behind or feel comfortable with. I could also get more in my field, but I choose to make less than I'm worth because I really enjoy the place I do work, it's not fast paced and I'm given a lot of time and freedom to accomplish what I need to. It works well for the lifestyle I want to live, and my manager is beyond reasonable on what I expect and want.</quote> Well then you do you. At least don't walk away from this conversation with a bad impression of how things actually are in America. If it was really so risky to have a baby here people would stop having kids completely. Those horror stories you hear in the media are outliers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:43:50 PM #46:	I've visited America enough to have a decent, first hand impression of it, I know all the discussions around it are worst case scenario, that's just the way the news operates, same with here in Canada. I appreciate the good conversation though. I know there are a lot of advantages to living in America, but there are a lot of advantage living in Canada too and I prefer those advantages more. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912905906] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>I've visited America enough to have a decent, first hand impression of it, I know all the discussions around it are worst case scenario, that's just the way the news operates, same with here in Canada. I appreciate the good conversation though. I know there are a lot of advantages to living in America, but there are a lot of advantage living in Canada too and I prefer those advantages more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/23/18 1:45:22 PM #47:	I could live in any country I wanted to and I still don't want to leave America. I could relocate to France or Italy or Canada or anywhere else that is supposedly "better" but I'd just get shafted with a lower standard of living as a consequence of how much they stunt productive people there. Meh. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:912905968] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>I could live in any country I wanted to and I still don't want to leave America. I could relocate to France or Italy or Canada or anywhere else that is supposedly "better" but I'd just get shafted with a lower standard of living as a consequence of how much they stunt productive people there. Meh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nepsy 11/23/18 1:45:42 PM #48:	Wah wah your place of work got busier than usual for a day --- Megadimension Neptunia VII - http://error1355.com/ce/Nepsy.html http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/6/8/2/584682_front.jpg <cite>Nepsy posted [p:912905979] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>Wah wah your place of work got busier than usual for a day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t_paynes_ghost 11/23/18 1:46:42 PM #49:	I'm glad you're living where you want to, that's really important to a happy life and I'm glad that you've got that part of your life sorted. <cite>t_paynes_ghost posted [p:912906013] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad you're living where you want to, that's really important to a happy life and I'm glad that you've got that part of your life sorted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManBeast462 11/23/18 2:25:13 PM #50:	s0nicfan posted... t_paynes_ghost posted... In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today. Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things This People are so weak to actively live frugally, its sad --- Fear the Beast / she will return > https://tinyurl.com/yb2parlb https://imgur.com/EKKJrY6 <cite>ManBeast462 posted [p:912907577] in Amazon wor... [t:77231269]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>t_paynes_ghost posted...</cite> <quote>In Canada, growing up my dad was the only income earner, he worked at a grocery store, he was able to support 2 kids and a wife on a single grocery store salary. Money was tight and corners were cut, but it was doable and done. I can't even fathom how that would be possible today.</quote> Probably by living the way your dad did: No internet No smartphone One used car Public access TV only Everything handed down from oldest to youngest Home cooked everything Repair rather than replace things</quote> This People are so weak to actively live frugally, its sad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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