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TheWorstPoster
11/21/18 6:09:45 PM
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darkknight109 posted...

In what way do you incorrectly think that makes me sound racist?


Because you are insinuating that minorities are incapable of obtaining IDs to begin with, even though virtually everything you do requires an ID.
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darkknight109
11/21/18 6:22:47 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
But of course, you don't mind that Obama did this:

Not even close to the same thing, but nice try.

TheWorstPoster posted...
Also, Trump was not asking Russia to find Hillary's emails. He said it could have been "anybody", anyone from Russia to somebody in his bed.

First off, the fact that he's talking about Russia on a video published in July of 2016 completely obliterates your original argument that Russia was a boogeyman cooked up only after the election, which was exactly my point.

Secondly, in addition to what he said in that video, he tweeted this:
"If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!"

Which is pretty hard to misconstrue.

TheWorstPoster posted...
Because you are insinuating that minorities are incapable of obtaining IDs to begin with, even though virtually everything you do requires an ID.

I take it you don't actually know all that much about voter ID laws.

When lawmakers create Voter ID laws, they get to choose what constitutes a valid piece of ID. When it's Republicans doing the picking, they typically pick things like gun permits (as gun owners are more likely to be Republican voters) or even something like a driver's license. That might not seem controversial, but the simple fact of the matter is that minorities - especially those in urban areas who vote strongly Democratic - are much less likely to own a driver's license than rural, white voters.

Scream racism all you like, but your efforts would better be directed at the party trying to disenfranchise minorities and other groups that don't vote for them. That would be why, for instance, an appeals court struck down North Carolina's Voter ID law due to the way it - court's own wording here - "targets African Americans with almost surgical precision".
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TheWorstPoster
11/21/18 6:33:19 PM
#54:


darkknight109 posted...

Not even close to the same thing, but nice try.


Because telling the Russian President that he would have more flexibility after his election, is absolutely no means for controversy? If Trump did that, the entire media establishment would demand that he would be imprisoned for "collusion" and "treason".

darkknight109 posted...

First off, the fact that he's talking about Russia on a video published in July of 2016 completely obliterates your original argument that Russia was a boogeyman cooked up only after the election, which was exactly my point.

Secondly, in addition to what he said in that video, he tweeted this:
"If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!"

Which is pretty hard to misconstrue.


Russia existed since 1991. Russia was always spying on us. There is absolutely NOTHING about Russia colluding with Trump, or interfering with the election, until after the results came in. Russia always spied on us, and are expected to do things like this. This has nothing to do with Trump, but rather what happened with Hillary Clinton's 30,000 classified emails from a private unsecured server (which is a Federal rime).

darkknight109 posted...
When lawmakers create Voter ID laws, they get to choose what constitutes a valid piece of ID. When it's Republicans doing the picking, they typically pick things like gun permits (as gun owners are more likely to be Republican voters) or even something like a driver's license. That might not seem controversial, but the simple fact of the matter is that minorities - especially those in urban areas who vote strongly Democratic - are much less likely to own a driver's license than rural, white voters.


And, once again, you are ignorant, and are making blatantly racist insinuations and assumptions. There are numerous forms of IDs, such as driver's license, state ID, work ID, passports, birth certificates, all of which would be considered valid, and at least one of which would be used on a near daily basis, in every day situations involving transactions.
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darkknight109
11/21/18 7:00:59 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
Because telling the Russian President that he would have more flexibility after his election, is absolutely no means for controversy?

Not really?

It's impolitic, but Obama was a sitting president stating a matter of facts that did not have any impact on the election - nothing in what he did was in any way illegal. He was not soliciting or accepting aid from Russia, as Trump's campaign is accused of doing. If the Trump tower meeting between Don Jr. and the Russian lawyer went down as advertised, that is absolutely a crime.

See the difference?

TheWorstPoster posted...
There is absolutely NOTHING about Russia colluding with Trump, or interfering with the election, until after the results came in.

You already disproved this point yourself, with video evidence no less, so I see no reason to kick the dead horse any further.

TheWorstPoster posted...
And, once again, you are ignorant, and are making blatantly racist insinuations and assumptions.

No, I'm just restating what the Republicans have done every time they've made one of these laws. Which, granted, was blatantly racist, so you did at least get that part right.

TheWorstPoster posted...
There are numerous forms of IDs, such as driver's license, state ID, work ID, passports, birth certificates, all of which would be considered valid, and at least one of which would be used on a near daily basis, in every day situations involving transactions.

Don't know about you, but I do not have any form of ID that I use on a daily basis.

Ignoring that, though, there's problems with every single thing that you've posted:
-Driver's license: not everyone drives, particularly people who live in cities with good transit systems. Drivers licenses aren't free either, which would risk disenfranchising the poor.
-State ID and Passports: Not universal and not free
-Work ID: Not all workplaces have ID cards, and even if they did there is no QA on them, so there is absolutely no way they would be accepted as valid pieces of ID.
-Birth Certificates: Are not ID cards, what the fuck. There is no identifying information on these cards beyond your name - no photo, no biometrics, nothing. It's a ID on par with a piece of mail that has your name on it.

Keep in mind, voting is a right, not a privilege - putting up financial barriers to voting, no matter how minor, is an infringement on those rights.

More to the point, you're completely ignoring what I've been saying. The Republicans choose what forms of ID are valid and they tend to choose them based on which ones are most likely to disenfranchise voters who don't vote for them. That's not my opinion, by the way, that's directly pulled from North Carolina's Republican-created Voter ID law which, as previously mentioned, was overturned for being - wait for it - really fucking racist. That's why I find your accusations of racism so comical - you're completely missing the fact that the party you so adore is committing far worse right under your nose, yet I'm the racist one for explaining it to you.

Want a Voter ID law that works? Create a national ID card, issued free of charge to all valid voters. Bam - problem solved. Except that will never happen because Republicans and the far-right wing of their party hate national registrations, even though the Social Security has been used as a (hilariously flawed) version of this for decades to get around conservatives' obstinance.
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McSame_as_Bush
11/21/18 7:11:55 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...


Voter fraud is almost nonexistent.


It's hard to prove, only because of how it is done (voting under dead people's names), not only for illegal aliens, but those voting more than once.

This is why we need Voter ID laws. If India forces Voter ID on its citizens, why can't we?


Illegally voting is like trying to dive into the shallow end of a swimming pool. There is significant risk involved and the "reward" is negligible. "Yay I didn't break my neck!" "Yay I managed to cast an extra vote in an election where millions of votes were cast!" It's a non-problem.

And India isn't a country we want to model ourselves after.
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Blighboy
11/21/18 7:36:49 PM
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I like how when Icoyar responds to one subject he also finds a way to be wrong about three other subjects at the same time.
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GanonsSpirit
11/21/18 8:42:07 PM
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It's 2018. Why is anyone still replying to ICOYAR?
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edededdy
11/22/18 12:21:50 AM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
It's 2018. Why is anyone still replying to ICOYAR?

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GanglyKhan
11/22/18 12:25:27 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
I love how racists think Mexicans can't swim.

Why are you such an idiot
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WhiskeyDisk
11/22/18 12:37:21 AM
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I wonder how many of the same people that mocked Romney for saying Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat when he ran against Obama are the same ones shouting "REEEEEEEE TRUMP RUSSIA" now.
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McSame_as_Bush
11/22/18 12:55:18 AM
#62:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
I wonder how many of the same people that mocked Romney for saying Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat when he ran against Obama are the same ones shouting "REEEEEEEE TRUMP RUSSIA" now.


Few could have envisioned Putin having kompromat on a US President.
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darkknight109
11/22/18 1:53:40 AM
#63:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
I wonder how many of the same people that mocked Romney for saying Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat when he ran against Obama are the same ones shouting "REEEEEEEE TRUMP RUSSIA" now.

I'll cop to it. And I freely admit that Romney was correct in his assertions.

To be fair, though, back then - invasion of Georgia aside - Putin had yet to reveal the full extent of his authoritarian colours. He was seen as a running joke for his topless photoshoots; he had yet to launch his invasion of Ukraine, or prop up a murderous dictator in Syria, or make any serious attempts to sway democratic elections in free countries. At worst he was corrupt, but that corruption seldom extended beyond Russia's borders.

A lot has happened since 2012.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
11/22/18 4:17:59 AM
#64:


darkknight109 posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
I wonder how many of the same people that mocked Romney for saying Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat when he ran against Obama are the same ones shouting "REEEEEEEE TRUMP RUSSIA" now.

I'll cop to it. And I freely admit that Romney was correct in his assertions.

To be fair, though, back then - invasion of Georgia aside - Putin had yet to reveal the full extent of his authoritarian colours. He was seen as a running joke for his topless photoshoots; he had yet to launch his invasion of Ukraine, or prop up a murderous dictator in Syria, or make any serious attempts to sway democratic elections in free countries. At worst he was corrupt, but that corruption seldom extended beyond Russia's borders.

A lot has happened since 2012.

What he said.
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wah_wah_wah
11/22/18 9:59:44 AM
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McSame_as_Bush posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
I wonder how many of the same people that mocked Romney for saying Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat when he ran against Obama are the same ones shouting "REEEEEEEE TRUMP RUSSIA" now.


Few could have envisioned Putin having kompromat on a US President.

It's really just a game of "choose your oligarch"... do you want a Russian one or an American one? I guess I can't be bothered to give a shit, if those are the stakes.
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wah_wah_wah
11/22/18 10:12:53 AM
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
darkknight109 posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
I wonder how many of the same people that mocked Romney for saying Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat when he ran against Obama are the same ones shouting "REEEEEEEE TRUMP RUSSIA" now.

I'll cop to it. And I freely admit that Romney was correct in his assertions.

To be fair, though, back then - invasion of Georgia aside - Putin had yet to reveal the full extent of his authoritarian colours. He was seen as a running joke for his topless photoshoots; he had yet to launch his invasion of Ukraine, or prop up a murderous dictator in Syria, or make any serious attempts to sway democratic elections in free countries. At worst he was corrupt, but that corruption seldom extended beyond Russia's borders.

A lot has happened since 2012.

What he said.

It makes you all feel better about dismissing the threats, but it is fundamentally bullshit nonetheless. Putin's been trying to break NATO for years, up to possibly poisoning a Ukrainian politician. But Romney really wasn't standing that hard against Putin either. The real threat of Putin comes from the fact that democracy is collapsing in this country, with everything for sale. Inevitably this is going to lead to foreign oligarchs entering the arena as well as our own. "Corporations are people" Business McHairwings wasn't going to do anything to shore up Lady Liberty.
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