Current Events > Neo-Nazis Have No First Amendment Right to Harassment, Judge Rules

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/us/daily-stormer-anti-semitic-lawsuit.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

A lawsuit accusing the publisher of the neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer of coordinating a terror campaign of online harassment against a Jewish real estate agent cannot be dismissed on First Amendment grounds, a federal judge in Montana ruled this week.

In his ruling denying a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, Dana L. Christensen, the chief judge for United States District Court in Missoula, Mont., wrote that the real estate agent, Tanya Gersh, was a private citizen, not a public figure, and that the publisher, Andrew Anglin, incited his followers to harass her as part of a personal campaign.

The events that spurred the lawsuit began in the fall of 2016, when The Daily Stormer published a series of articles attacking Ms. Gersh, of Whitefish, Mont., for her interactions with Sherry Spencer, the mother of the white supremacist leader Richard Spencer.

Ms. Spencer owned a building in Whitefish and Ms. Gersh had talked to her about its potential sale after word circulated that residents were considering a protest there against white supremacy.

The call to protest was spurred by video of Mr. Spencer, who resided part time in Whitefish, railing against Jews and shouting Hail Trump! Hail our people! at an alt-right meeting in Washington, according to the suit.

The suit contends that Ms. Gersh counseled Ms. Spencer to sell the building and repudiate her sons views. And initially, Ms. Spencer agreed, it says, even asking Ms. Gersh to represent her in such a sale.

Then Ms. Spencer reversed course, and published a blog post on Medium, charging that Ms. Gersh had tried to threaten and extort her to sell the building and break with her son. Mr. Anglin then began writing and publishing his own articles calling for a troll storm against Ms. Gersh.

Tell them you are sickened by their Jew agenda to attack and harm the mother of someone whom they disagree with, he wrote, according to the suit.

In the months that followed, the site published over 30 related posts and the phone numbers, email addresses and social media profiles of Ms. Gersh, her husband and 12-year-old son, as well as friends and colleagues, the suit states.

By the spring of 2017, the family had received more than 700 vulgar and hateful messages, including death threats, many referencing the Holocaust. Some phone messages consisted solely of the sound of gunshots.

The Southern Poverty Law Center filed the lawsuit on Ms. Gershs behalf in April 2017. Mr. Anglin sought to have it dismissed, and a magistrate judge, Jeremiah C. Lynch, ruled against him in May. Mr. Anglin filed objections to that ruling, which sent the case to Judge Christensen for additional review.

David Dinielli, a lawyer for the law center, said in a statement that Judge Christensens ruling on Wednesday underscores what both we and our client have said from the beginning of this case that online campaigns of hate, threats, and intimidation have no place in a civil society, and enjoy no protection under our Constitution.

In a phone interview, Mr. Dinielli said that the Gersh family had notified law enforcement of the harassment, but there have been no criminal charges.

The organization now expects the civil case to go to trial. It has taken a long time because it proved impossible to serve Mr. Anglin with legal papers, Mr. Dinielli said. Mr. Anglins last known address was in Ohio, but his whereabouts have been unknown for nearly two years. He is still running the site, possibly from overseas.

Good. Fuck Anglin and his fuckbag "troll army fam"
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And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

Good. Looks like the courts agree that punching Nazis is ok.
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Doesnt this mean we can just say whoever we hate shouldnt enjoy rights or protection?
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Tell them you are sickened by their Jew agenda to attack and harm the mother of someone whom they disagree with, he wrote, according to the suit.

In the months that followed, the site published over 30 related posts and the phone numbers, email addresses and social media profiles of Ms. Gersh, her husband and 12-year-old son, as well as friends and colleagues, the suit states.

Fairest of nexts
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Good. People like that can get fucked.
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It it was obvious this woulf be the outcome.

This case always reminded me of the Skokie case.
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Good.
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LordMarshal posted...

Doesnt this mean we can just say whoever we hate shouldnt enjoy rights or protection?

More like those who commit serious and prolonged acts of harassment and doxing should get punished for it.
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literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

Yes it should.
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literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

Are you legit whatabouting neo-nazis?
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pegusus123456 posted...

literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

Are you legit whatabouting neo-nazis?

Those types always do
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

Are you legit whatabouting neo-nazis?

Those types always do

"It's okay when MY political affiliation does it!"
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funny you dont see sjws attacking japanese honoring war criminals and denying war. crimes. hmmmmmm.
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Someone is going to be mad about this lmao
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LordMarshal posted...

Doesnt this mean we can just say whoever we hate shouldnt enjoy rights or protection?

I havent read the actual opinion, but Im assuming its just stating that harassment is not protected by the first Amendment. Thats always been the case, regardless of who the offender is.
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EverDownward posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

Are you legit whatabouting neo-nazis?

Those types always do

"It's okay when MY political affiliation does it!"

ethnic cleansing is not a valid political opinion
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Kineth posted...

Good. Looks like the courts agree that punching Nazis is ok.

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literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

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glitteringfairy posted...

literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

I see the usual suspects are triggered
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glitteringfairy posted...

literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

literally

whatabouting

nazis
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whatabout whatabout whatabout

Imagine whatabouting to defend nazi's
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1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

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Funny I never see liberals cry for hate speech crimes when they threaten violence constantly.... You guys literally came out after Trump got elected and started talking about blowing up the white house

kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

Free speech has never included harassment.
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so much for the tolerant left!
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kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

Imagine defending Nazi's.
Imagine thinking that being against Nazi's and what they stand for is going to be the death of America.
WWII Vets be spinning so hard in their graves, god rest their souls.
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Dampproof posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

Imagine defending Nazi's.
Imagine thinking that being against Nazi's and what they stand for is going to be the death of America.
WWII Vets be spinning so hard in their graves, god rest their souls.

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi, and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

kayoticdreamz posted...

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi, and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

It's not an issue of speaking freely, it's an issue of posting someone's personal information on your website and directing your audience to harass that person and their family.
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pegusus123456 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi, and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

It's not an issue of speaking freely, it's an issue of posting someone's personal information on your website and directing your audience to harass that person and their family.

The guy clearly just wants to defend Nazis. There's no reasoning with a person like that.
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Trump would be all "This is a sad day for true Americans"
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pegusus123456 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi, and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

It's not an issue of speaking freely, it's an issue of posting someone's personal information on your website and directing your audience to harass that person and their family.

like sjws and full time victims do when their feelings are hurt?

#permitpatty
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kayoticdreamz posted...

Dampproof posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

Imagine defending Nazi.
Imagine thinking that being against Nazi and what they stand for is going to be the death of America.
WWII Vets be spinning so hard in their graves, god rest their souls.

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

Yeah sure that is good and all. But were talking about literal Nazi here. They have no place in America period. Those who faught and died to rid the world of that scum would really like to know why you would defend any Nazi.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi,

I am arguing anyone who is a Nazi isn't welcome in America. Don't strawman this into something else. It has nothing to do with myself disagreeing with anothers opinion.

and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

Pretty sure these are self identified Nazi. Not some imaginary boogeyman.
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kayoticdreamz posted...

Dampproof posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

Imagine defending Nazi's.
Imagine thinking that being against Nazi's and what they stand for is going to be the death of America.
WWII Vets be spinning so hard in their graves, god rest their souls.

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi, and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

aNyOnE tHaT DiSaGrEeS iS NaZi!

Search "cliche" on the topic list and and click on the topic about cliches people need to stop saying. Look at post #2 in that topic.
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Dampproof posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

Dampproof posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

Imagine defending Nazi's.
Imagine thinking that being against Nazi's and what they stand for is going to be the death of America.
WWII Vets be spinning so hard in their graves, god rest their souls.

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

Yeah sure that is good and all. But were talking about literal Nazi's here. They have no place in America period. Those who faught and died to rid the world of that scum would really like to know why you would defend any Nazi's.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi,

I am arguing anyone who is a Nazi isn't welcome in America. Don't strawman this into something else. It has nothing to do with myself disagreeing with anothers opinion.

and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

Pretty sure these are self identified Nazi's. Not some imaginary boogeyman.

I'm on your side of the argument, but for fuck's sake, please stop putting apostrophes in Nazis unless you're referring to something that a Nazi is in possession or using the contraction for "Nazi is." Apostrophes are not used to denote a word is plural. This is basic elementary school shit.
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Jfc some of you need to have some sense slapped into you.
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ModLogic posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi, and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

It's not an issue of speaking freely, it's an issue of posting someone's personal information on your website and directing your audience to harass that person and their family.

like sjws and full time victims do when their feelings are hurt?

#permitpatty

Tucker Carlson is a sjw and a full time victim?
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literally52 posted...

And will this also be extending to the antifa scum who try to dox people?

It's like they say

"The only people who dislike antifa are pro-fa"
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kayoticdreamz posted...

Dampproof posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

Imagine defending Nazi's.
Imagine thinking that being against Nazi's and what they stand for is going to be the death of America.
WWII Vets be spinning so hard in their graves, god rest their souls.

I'm defending the right to speak freely, even speak things I disagree with without fear.

You're arguing censorship because anyone that disagree with you is a nazi, and at the rate the left calls people nazis, you'd think everyone was a nazi

you should probably stop citing free speech when you don't even know how the first amendment works
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This is fucked up.
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Andrew Anglin and The Daily Stormer are literally open and unabashedly neo nazis, guys. Why are people implying that this label doesn't fit them.

For fucks sake, the name of the site itself is itself a callback to the Nazi newspaper in Germany circa 1930s. Come on
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Hopefully we can continue to whittle down their list of rights until we can start shooting them from cannons into the Atlantic
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Andrew Anglin and The Daily Stormer are literally open and unabashedly neo nazis, guys. Why are people implying that this label doesn't fit them.

Because they support those things.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Andrew Anglin and The Daily Stormer are literally open and unabashedly neo nazis, guys. Why are people implying that this label doesn't fit them.

For fucks sake, the name of the site itself is itself a callback to the Nazi newspaper in Germany circa 1930s. Come on

"LaBeLs DoN't AuToMaTiCaLLy FiT jUsT bEcAuSe ThEy HaVe oPiNiOnS yOu DoN't LiKe" I believe is the agreed upon explanation from folks who are defending them over this "freedom of speech" fake-argument. It's an odd phenomenon. It's like they have become so literally transparent that they are invisible to the degree that they can say or do anything and no one will notice because they're invisible. Rather paradoxical it seems. So transparent they're invisible and yet at the same time just walking around naked like Eric Cartman in the ninja weapons episode of South Park. I should coin a term for this... maybe Paradoxical Transparency?
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I'm all for free speech and shit, but those of you defending the Spencer Klan are dumb to throw your hat in the ring on the side that advocates a literal fucking genocide.

Stop and think for a minute. Are these people, people who wish to do away with certain humans because they don't look like them, worth defending?

Free speech won't disappear just because everyone shouldn't give Nazi's a platform to spout their hatred...
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Good. You can't threaten to violently strip people of their rights based on your arbitrary whims and then go, "Oh, well, my rights protect me!". Fucking Nazi scum.

Imagine being angry that Nazis were told to stop a long-term death threat and harassment campaign against a random woman.

"B-b-but muh Antifa! B-b-but people aren't Nazis just because they call themselves Nazis!"
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owned a building in Whitefish

You know that scene in Coming to America where Eddie Murphy wonders where he'll find a queen, then he and the other guy look at the map of New York and simultaneously answer, "Queens."

I feel like that's how the white supremacists chose this location. <_<

kayoticdreamz posted...

1st amendment is there to protect impolite speech.

Imagine defending censorship just because you don't like what they have to say. Liberals are going to be the death of America

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Funny I never see liberals cry for hate speech crimes when they threaten violence constantly.... You guys literally came out after Trump got elected and started talking about blowing up the white house

jfc what a silly post.

your average trumpeter, ladies & gents...
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