Board 8 > Danganronpa Mafia - CHAPTER 5: Part 2

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LIVING

1. HanOfTheNekos
2. TheSultanOfSlam
3. Neablis
4. Johnbob
5. Turbopuns2
6. IfGodCouldDie
7. Htaed
8. Corrik

DEAD

DK1. DoomTheGyarados, ULTIMATE MAFIA PLAYER - TOWN Day Hider
LD1. Scarechan, ULTIMATE GUNSLINGER - TOWN Vanilla
LD2. Obellisk, ULTIMATE PARENT - MAFIA Godfather Bulletproof
NK2. Forceful_Dragon, ULTIMATE CHEMIST - TOWN Vanilla
LD3. Doopliss_Power, ULTIMATE CHESS PLAYER - MAFIA Gladiator
NK3. KanzarisKelshin, ULTIMATE TACTICIAN - TOWN Doctor Jack
LD4. DarkYoungLink, ULTIMATE THERAPIST - TOWN Wanderer
NK4. Sheep007, ULTIMATE MERCENARIES 4 LEADER - TOWN Ninja Tracker


[2] Johnbobb- Neablis, Death
[1] Neablis - (Corrik), Johnbobb
[1] Death - Corrik
[0] Corrik - (Sultan), (IGCD)

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to hammer. DAY ENDS TONIGHT AT 10PM EST.
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Did I not tag this instantly?

Tag
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things are heating up but i'll need half an hour or so before i can read and respond

though on the chance that death is town and the team is corrik/han/igcd then that could be dangerous so neablis maaaybe unvote...?

I am ready to go to sleep lol. Need to stay awake.
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Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

I honestly don't even know if ur talking about death or neab. Neab giving out a double vote with low numbers to a very possible scum player is bad, yes.

But town can't lose by it if they lynch right today.

neab giving out a doublevote this late is pretty dumb. but that's a single bad play from a person who fairly new to the game (if he's town and it's true, which is still up in the air)

but experienced mafia players willingly giving a doublevote to a player that's 50/50 at best with scum already close to 50% is pretty inexcusable

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No one is rushing the vote. Scum still can't account for a fakeclaim in wait which makes it not Mylo thru a bomb or save or etc.
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The doublevote doesn't matter because in a MYLO situation, either you win or you lose.

IF both Death and JB are Scum, however, then JB is a bad lynch choice.
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Johnbobb posted...

Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

I honestly don't even know if ur talking about death or neab. Neab giving out a double vote with low numbers to a very possible scum player is bad, yes.

But town can't lose by it if they lynch right today.

neab giving out a doublevote this late is pretty dumb. but that's a single bad play from a person who fairly new to the game (if he's town and it's true, which is still up in the air)

but experienced mafia players willingly giving a doublevote to a player that's 50/50 at best with scum already close to 50% is pretty inexcusable

John, we can't stop his double vote if he votes you unless we lynch him. I am alrdy voting him. But if he is town (which he probably isn't) town loses to lynch him also.

Thus, what are you expecting here.
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Death, convince me you are Town by voting for not JB tbqh

Who's your second choice? Third?
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Oh what we are moving here already?

Anyway John. A question for you..

Say I am scum...
Why does it matter that I get a doublevote when, if you are town and you are lynched, the game would probably end tonight anyway?
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Death just said what I am thinking...
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Corrik posted...

John, we can't stop his double vote if he votes you unless we lynch him. I am alrdy voting him. But if he is town (which he probably isn't) town loses to lynch him also.

Thus, what are you expecting here.

wait, I thought the ability depended on him being part of a lynch on me? does he just have to cast the vote to get it? or does he just have to end the day on it?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Death, convince me you are Town by voting for not JB tbqh

Who's your second choice? Third?

with almost everyone here and nothing happening I feel kinda good about voting John.
Again I dont want the doublevote,
but I dont want to be told to vote someone like Neablis just because I want to live and people dont trust me with a DV. (But I do understand the logic)
Second choice is Sultan. Delse a third still...
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Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

John, we can't stop his double vote if he votes you unless we lynch him. I am alrdy voting him. But if he is town (which he probably isn't) town loses to lynch him also.

Thus, what are you expecting here.

wait, I thought the ability depended on him being part of a lynch on me? does he just have to cast the vote to get it? or does he just have to end the day on it?

To my knowledge he just has to end on you.
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Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

John, we can't stop his double vote if he votes you unless we lynch him. I am alrdy voting him. But if he is town (which he probably isn't) town loses to lynch him also.

Thus, what are you expecting here.

wait, I thought the ability depended on him being part of a lynch on me? does he just have to cast the vote to get it? or does he just have to end the day on it?

I only have to vote you.
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htaeD posted...

Say I am scum...
Why does it matter that I get a doublevote when, if you are town and you are lynched, the game would probably end tonight anyway?

If I'm lynched, the doublevote won't matter. But I'm the only one that knows that for a fact

saying don't vote me because I'm town doesn't really do anything

but if it's a matter of "regardless of alignment, town loses" then obviously town shouldn't do it
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htaeD posted...

I only have to vote you.

##unvote
##vote: Death

goddamn that's shitty

so you knowlingly gave yourself a doublevote when, if you're scum, it basically costs town the game?

if you're town, it's selfish to do it without getting any kind of agreement beforehand
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Johnbobb posted...

htaeD posted...

I only have to vote you.

##unvote
##vote: Death

goddamn that's shitty

so you knowlingly gave yourself a doublevote when, if you're scum, it basically costs town the game?

if you're town, it's selfish to do it without getting any kind of agreement beforehand

Death wasn't your first or 2nd lynch choice. Now you are voting him. Hmmm.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Dels spins some good effort, but he's a strong player and coming in as a relief pitcher. What gets me though is that he's putting a lot of stock into this me/Corrik idea, and that's far enough off the wall that it's a clear hail mary trying to avoid some inevitable poe lynches.

well you're saying the same thing as corrik - that i'm making some sort of desperation play. but that doesn't really make sense. if i'm scum, why act like a crazy conspiracy theorist? i could just go along with that neablis lynch which had 2 votes on it, or maybe try for an easy johnbobb lynch, or even sultan or whatever. i guess i could be scum with those people, but i dunno, you really think scum is more likely to go against the grain here, rather than town? i've explained why i think JB and sultan and neab are all town, and i listen to your IGCD scan, and you seem to understand those reasons, so it's not THAT crazy, is it?

Corrik posted...

Death wasn't your first or 2nd lynch choice. Now you are voting him. Hmmm.

yeah but then he did something extremely scummy

with you/neab it's one of the other. with Death it's independent from either of you
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Dels posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Dels spins some good effort, but he's a strong player and coming in as a relief pitcher. What gets me though is that he's putting a lot of stock into this me/Corrik idea, and that's far enough off the wall that it's a clear hail mary trying to avoid some inevitable poe lynches.

well you're saying the same thing as corrik - that i'm making some sort of desperation play. but that doesn't really make sense. if i'm scum, why act like a crazy conspiracy theorist? i could just go along with that neablis lynch which had 2 votes on it, or maybe try for an easy johnbobb lynch, or even sultan or whatever. i guess i could be scum with those people, but i dunno, you really think scum is more likely to go against the grain here, rather than town? i've explained why i think JB and sultan and neab are all town, and i listen to your IGCD scan, and you seem to understand those reasons, so it's not THAT crazy, is it?

You come off as throwing darts at the board looking for a mislynch tbqh.
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Han, here's a question for you - if I was town, what would be happening differently right now? What would town me be doing to reverse your opinion on puns and your PoE?

Johnbobb posted...

htaeD posted...

I only have to vote you.

##unvote
##vote: Death

goddamn that's shitty

so you knowlingly gave yourself a doublevote when, if you're scum, it basically costs town the game?

if you're town, it's selfish to do it without getting any kind of agreement beforehand

Again. How does it cost town the game?

Also I gave plenty of warning on this. But the only one to talk to me about it was Corrik.
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And Han just now after the fact.

Btw, I can still lose the doublevote

By doing this

##Unvote

The vote has to stay til the end of the day
Sorry, I explained that badly.
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Corrik posted...

Dels posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Dels spins some good effort, but he's a strong player and coming in as a relief pitcher. What gets me though is that he's putting a lot of stock into this me/Corrik idea, and that's far enough off the wall that it's a clear hail mary trying to avoid some inevitable poe lynches.

well you're saying the same thing as corrik - that i'm making some sort of desperation play. but that doesn't really make sense. if i'm scum, why act like a crazy conspiracy theorist? i could just go along with that neablis lynch which had 2 votes on it, or maybe try for an easy johnbobb lynch, or even sultan or whatever. i guess i could be scum with those people, but i dunno, you really think scum is more likely to go against the grain here, rather than town? i've explained why i think JB and sultan and neab are all town, and i listen to your IGCD scan, and you seem to understand those reasons, so it's not THAT crazy, is it?

You come off as throwing darts at the board looking for a mislynch tbqh.

No I do not, and I won't let you spin it that way.

I explained why I think Neablis' effort looks good.

I explained why I think Johnbobb's level of conviction and stubbornness/annoyingness is towny to me.

I explained why I think that even if Han is scum, he wouldn't tie himself to a buddy with a fake townscan, and therefore IGCD is likely town.

And I explained why FFNut's initial claim looks really good for Sultan.

That leaves me with Corrik, Han, and death, who have good claims, but I don't see behavioural reasons to townread them.

I've outlined my process very clearly. I'm not throwing darts anywhere, and I won't allow you to trick people into believing that just by repeating it enough times.

Death unvoting there makes me even stronger feel he is scum. Dude is scared as hell.
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I was just trying to explain a point, Corrik.
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Actually, Dels said it the best himself - Town Dels is the easy mislynch. Why isn't anybody pushing it?

Dels not being pushed at all is quite Scummy - interest is waned because a new Scumbuddy came in with fresh energy. And Dels recognizing this pointed it out as a reason he was Townish... when it's quite the opposite.
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Also I havent been a potential game-losing Mislynch in years... I am not used to the feeling.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Actually, Dels said it the best himself - Town Dels is the easy mislynch. Why isn't anybody pushing it?

Dels not being pushed at all is quite Scummy - interest is waned because a new Scumbuddy came in with fresh energy. And Dels recognizing this pointed it out as a reason he was Townish... when it's quite the opposite.

Yeah, he is definitely scum and is trying to woo impressionable town players imo.

He is alrdy going to vote me. He has outright tried wooing igcd and sultan to my Lynch alrdy.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Actually, Dels said it the best himself - Town Dels is the easy mislynch. Why isn't anybody pushing it?

Dels not being pushed at all is quite Scummy - interest is waned because a new Scumbuddy came in with fresh energy. And Dels recognizing this pointed it out as a reason he was Townish... when it's quite the opposite.

lmao that's exactly what I said!

it was really weird that like NO ONE was going after me at all

even corrik ignored me until i prodded him

you've got a great-looking point here, i look like scum because no one pushed me. but i can't explain it! answer my other question plz!

Dels posted...

Han, here's a question for you - if I was town, what would be happening differently right now? What would town me be doing to reverse your opinion on puns and your PoE?

Not looking for Scum where there is none.

Dels posted...

I explained why I think that even if Han is scum, he wouldn't tie himself to a buddy with a fake townscan, and therefore IGCD is likely town.

I didn't realize you thought I was such a bad player, too.
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That said, I think I still have to

##Vote: John
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Corrik posted...

Yeah, he is definitely scum and is trying to woo impressionable town players imo.

He is alrdy going to vote me. He has outright tried wooing igcd and sultan to my Lynch alrdy.

they voted you first! i'm not trying to woo them, i could've just joined them at any time! i'm being cautious.

your tactic is to outvoice me and try to alter people's perception, and i won't let you.

Hey I went after Delse for a bit!
But then he made me secondguess myself with all his insights.
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htaeD posted...

That said, I think I still have to

##Vote: John

Ok, now really, it just looks like you're throwing your vote around based on what Corrik is saying.
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Dels posted...

Corrik posted...

Yeah, he is definitely scum and is trying to woo impressionable town players imo.

He is alrdy going to vote me. He has outright tried wooing igcd and sultan to my Lynch alrdy.

they voted you first! i'm not trying to woo them, i could've just joined them at any time! i'm being cautious.

your tactic is to outvoice me and try to alter people's perception, and i won't let you.

You clearly are leading them. You want them to think it is their idea for the most part. I am not blind.
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No its more like I want to vote John and also briefly visually demonstrated how I can lose the doublevote again.

I should have revoted immediately admittedly.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Not looking for Scum where there is none.

weak answer. practically a non-answer. so basically i should be... looking for scum where there are scum. well yeah, no shit.

I didn't realize you thought I was such a bad player, too.

eh? it's nothing about being bad or not, people will generally be risk-averse. whatever you were going for with the cop claim, you can get it by claiming a town scan on a townie. you're good enough to take a risk by claiming a scan on a buddy, sure, but i wouldn't jump there as a first assumption.

Corrik posted...

You clearly are leading them. You want them to think it is their idea for the most part. I am not blind.

ah yes, i am a master manipulator.

they've been in the game longer than me, they can think for themselves lol. as town or as scum, my tactic is always to encourage people to do whatever they think is right.

Look, Han isn't showing a real desire to engage with me.

If I was in his shoes, I'd be happy to see me replace in.

He should be treating me like a new piece of the puzzle to play with - instead I feel I'm being treated like I'm a wrench in his plans and he has to continue to jam me into the puzzle the way he wanted to jam puns.

you're good enough to take a risk by claiming a scan on a buddy, sure, but i wouldn't jump there as a first assumption.

I thought you said you could never see Han doing that? Am I misremembering?
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Look, I can't really get anywhere talking to the people who are my enemies, though I can hopefully clear up misinformation.

Johnbobb and Sultan and Neablis, you guys are the ones I think are on my side. Do you believe Corrik that I'm manipulating you or whatever? You think maybe this narrative of the "confirmed towns" with "strong power roles" might be a trick? This goes to you too, IGCD, though I'm a bit wary Han scanned you as a buddy, but eh. If so, death is my townie buddy instead.

There's basically no reason to be looking in me or Corrik's direction. Neither of us make sense as Scum. You're using the veil of subbing into the game to push an angle that nobody else is pushing.

The only people who are entertaining the idea at all are Sultan (who is on the Scumlist), and IGCD who we'd probably be lynching if I didn't scan him.
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htaeD posted...

you're good enough to take a risk by claiming a scan on a buddy, sure, but i wouldn't jump there as a first assumption.

I thought you said you could never see Han doing that? Am I misremembering?

Huh? No, I didn't say never. I just said it's unlikely, or that it's the riskier play, or not my first assumption, or something like that. I don't recall the exact wording, but I doubt I said never.

Dels posted...

Corrik posted...

You clearly are leading them. You want them to think it is their idea for the most part. I am not blind.

ah yes, i am a master manipulator.

they've been in the game longer than me, they can think for themselves lol. as town or as scum, my tactic is always to encourage people to do whatever they think is right.

"I say vote Corrik. I see a lot of people saying he isn't confirmed town but not doing anything about it" or some shit

Then

IGCD votes. Cuz he has to show he is doing something about it. It was a clear lead.

Then after.

Now granted you yourself say vote corrik but don't yourself because you want them to think it is their own idea... Start asking sultan if he wants to go on the lynch.

You are clearly pulling strings.
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Dels posted...

htaeD posted...

you're good enough to take a risk by claiming a scan on a buddy, sure, but i wouldn't jump there as a first assumption.

I thought you said you could never see Han doing that? Am I misremembering?

Huh? No, I didn't say never. I just said it's unlikely, or that it's the riskier play, or not my first assumption, or something like that. I don't recall the exact wording, but I doubt I said never.

I will trust you on that then. Dont have time to look back now.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

There's basically no reason to be looking in me or Corrik's direction. Neither of us make sense as Scum. You're using the veil of subbing into the game to push an angle that nobody else is pushing.

Okay, well two questions:

a) What's the plan then? Peddle a crazy theory and... uh... hope people listen? Or do it knowing no one will listen, just to... what, look good?

and b) If you think my angle is bad then just tell me why, and explain why you and Corrik's roles can just never be fake. You're shutting me out rather than trying to work with me.

The only people who are entertaining the idea at all are Sultan (who is on the Scumlist), and IGCD who we'd probably be lynching if I didn't scan him.

This is circular logic. Sultan is entertaining my idea... because if you're scum, he's town. You're basically saying "your idea that sultan is town is being supported by sultan so it doesn't count"

And what's your point with IGCD? He's town, but his opinion doesn't matter because he's not good enough?

Dels posted...

Look, Han isn't showing a real desire to engage with me.

If I was in his shoes, I'd be happy to see me replace in.

He should be treating me like a new piece of the puzzle to play with - instead I feel I'm being treated like I'm a wrench in his plans and he has to continue to jam me into the puzzle the way he wanted to jam puns.

This is literal bullshit.

If Dels was Town, he wouldn't be making up dumb shit and would actually be contributing. This is a whole lot of fluff disguised as someone catching up with the game. Dels is too good a player to just say "eh, they don't seem Scum, it's probably the power claims who are practically confirmed by night actions".

I have no desire to engage with someone who I am positive at this point is Scum, and acting like I "would if I were Town" is such fanciful fiction. If Dels were Town, he would be speaking in German!
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