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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 12:55:28 PM
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Why do people say 'that's moddable' instead of saying 'I've been modded for that'?
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A_Good_Boy
11/13/18 12:56:38 PM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


All racial slurs?

Are y'all serious rn


Only offensive if the receiver is offended by them. Subjective.

You wouldn't be saying it if the intent wasn't to be offensive. You recognize the fact that it's offensive, that's why it's being said, so the receiver can be offended.

Seems to fit into the "this is offensive" category pretty well.
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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 12:57:29 PM
#53:


Why do people say 'that's nice' instead of 'shut the fuck up'?
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Questionmarktarius
11/13/18 12:58:02 PM
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Miller Test, I guess.
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Bio1590
11/13/18 12:59:09 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Bio1590 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
kuck?


Regardless of origins, that word is legitimately nothing but a slur used towards Jewish people. There's nothing "subjective" about it.

FYI I'm pretty sure you can get modded for giving hints about what the word is

If they're going to Mod me for trying to explain what a word is without it actually being directed at people because they have a babying filter in place then so be it.
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Dyinglegacy
11/13/18 12:59:52 PM
#56:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


All racial slurs?

Are y'all serious rn


Only offensive if the receiver is offended by them. Subjective.

You wouldn't be saying it if the intent wasn't to be offensive. You recognize the fact that it's offensive, that's why it's being said, so the receiver can be offended.

Seems to fit into the "this is offensive" category pretty well.


Sure. I agree that the N word is offensive, and would never say it or tolerate it being said (if I can help it). It's still subjective, tho.
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divot1338
11/13/18 1:00:21 PM
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Why I never!
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Houston
11/13/18 1:01:58 PM
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Using "that's offensive" and "I'm offended" unironically is sad.
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A_Good_Boy
11/13/18 1:02:40 PM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


All racial slurs?

Are y'all serious rn


Only offensive if the receiver is offended by them. Subjective.

You wouldn't be saying it if the intent wasn't to be offensive. You recognize the fact that it's offensive, that's why it's being said, so the receiver can be offended.

Seems to fit into the "this is offensive" category pretty well.


Sure. I agree that the N word is offensive, and would never say it or tolerate it being said (if I can help it). It's still subjective, tho.

It's really not. There is no alternative meaning to the n-word other than it's offensive one. Playing coy doesn't make the word any less offensive.
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Questionmarktarius
11/13/18 1:05:58 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
There is no alternative meaning to the n-word other than it's offensive one.

Well... rap lyrics.
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HenryAllbright
11/13/18 1:09:31 PM
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Another thing to consider....

Punishing people or telling people they are being immoral by saying "i'm offended by your comment" or "your views on ______ are offensive" actually works AGAINST any goals related to getting people to stop saying certain things or having their views. And that's because when somebody says "that's offensive" to a comment you make, that remark is actually perceived as a bigger attack on the person who made the supposed offensive comment than the supposed offensive comment was in the first place.

In other words, it's offensive to tell somebody that they are being offensive. So if you don't like when people are being offensive, why engage in that behavior yourself?
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Dyinglegacy
11/13/18 1:10:48 PM
#62:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


All racial slurs?

Are y'all serious rn


Only offensive if the receiver is offended by them. Subjective.

You wouldn't be saying it if the intent wasn't to be offensive. You recognize the fact that it's offensive, that's why it's being said, so the receiver can be offended.

Seems to fit into the "this is offensive" category pretty well.


Sure. I agree that the N word is offensive, and would never say it or tolerate it being said (if I can help it). It's still subjective, tho.

It's really not. There is no alternative meaning to the n-word other than it's offensive one. Playing coy doesn't make the word any less offensive.


How someone takes it, is subjective. If it invokes your emotion, it's subjective. Said receiver may not be offended. 100 other people might be. If we want to get down to it, it could be argued that good and evil are subjective. Right and wrong. The word is most solely used to be offensive toward someone else, but how they feel about it is where the subjective aspect lies.
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frogman_295
11/13/18 1:11:17 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
KILBOTz posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
I like this. Will use and claim as my own thoughts


that's offensive.


I feel defensive about your offensiveness

I shall fence you to the death over this assertion.
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A_Good_Boy
11/13/18 1:11:27 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
There is no alternative meaning to the n-word other than it's offensive one.

Well... rap lyrics.

They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a. They're essentially different words. Soft a has a variety of different uses that change with context, hard r doesn't. Hard r is only ever used in one way by the transmitter, and only meant to be interpreted in one way by the receiver. You might want to pretend as if the distinction is meaningless, just for the sake of carrying on an idiotic argument, but homophones are a thing and they encompass far more than just the n-word. The words are different, and one is objectively offensive. Prove me wrong.
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andel
11/13/18 1:11:41 PM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


a swastika
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Questionmarktarius
11/13/18 1:13:15 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
There is no alternative meaning to the n-word other than it's offensive one.

Well... rap lyrics.

They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a. They're essentially different words. Soft a has a variety of different uses that change with context, hard r doesn't. Hard r is only ever used in one way by the transmitter, and only meant to be interpreted in one way by the receiver. You might want to pretend as if the distinction is meaningless, just for the sake of carrying on an idiotic argument, but homophones are a thing and they encompass far more than just the n-word. The words are different, and one is objectively offensive. Prove me wrong.

So... the 'offensive' form is impossible in, say, Boston?
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HenryAllbright
11/13/18 1:13:16 PM
#68:


andel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


a swastika


Are Nazis offended by the swastika?
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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 1:13:36 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a.

This isn't a real difference.
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HenryAllbright
11/13/18 1:14:40 PM
#70:


Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


All racial slurs?

Are y'all serious rn


Only offensive if the receiver is offended by them. Subjective.


No, that's not how this works. "I don't get offended by the N word so it's not offensive" is def. not how this works


Actually, "I don't get offended by the N word so it's not objectively offensive" is what he is saying, and that is exactly how defining whether or not something is objective or subjective works whether you like that or not.
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A_Good_Boy
11/13/18 1:15:11 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
There is no alternative meaning to the n-word other than it's offensive one.

Well... rap lyrics.

They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a. They're essentially different words. Soft a has a variety of different uses that change with context, hard r doesn't. Hard r is only ever used in one way by the transmitter, and only meant to be interpreted in one way by the receiver. You might want to pretend as if the distinction is meaningless, just for the sake of carrying on an idiotic argument, but homophones are a thing and they encompass far more than just the n-word. The words are different, and one is objectively offensive. Prove me wrong.

So... the 'offensive' form is impossible in, say, Boston?

I'm sure people in Boston have no issue pronouncing both versions.
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A_Good_Boy
11/13/18 1:15:45 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a.

This isn't a real difference.

This is why tee and tea are the exact same word.

*hands you your L*
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Questionmarktarius
11/13/18 1:16:07 PM
#73:


Dyinglegacy posted...
Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.

uh... roadkill skunk
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Dyinglegacy
11/13/18 1:16:22 PM
#74:


Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Conflict posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
andel posted...
this is an interesting point i never thought about. some stuff is objectively offensive but sometimes when people say that they really just mean they are offended


Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.


All racial slurs?

Are y'all serious rn


Only offensive if the receiver is offended by them. Subjective.


No, that's not how this works. "I don't get offended by the N word so it's not offensive" is def. not how this works


It surely is offensive to a great many people. I take offense when i hear the word spewed. Still subjective.
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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 1:17:11 PM
#75:


A_Good_Boy posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a.

This isn't a real difference.

This is why tee and tea are the exact same word.

*hands you your L*

ebonics motherfucka do you speak it
because its basically just a dialect. Have a country singer rap the song instead and what do you get
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prettyprincess
11/13/18 1:17:47 PM
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Im offended by how bad this topic is
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Anteaterking
11/13/18 1:17:56 PM
#77:


HenryAllbright posted...
Another thing to consider....

Punishing people or telling people they are being immoral by saying "i'm offended by your comment" or "your views on ______ are offensive" actually works AGAINST any goals related to getting people to stop saying certain things or having their views. And that's because when somebody says "that's offensive" to a comment you make, that remark is actually perceived as a bigger attack on the person who made the supposed offensive comment than the supposed offensive comment was in the first place.

In other words, it's offensive to tell somebody that they are being offensive. So if you don't like when people are being offensive, why engage in that behavior yourself?


Man this is a dumb topic.
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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 1:19:08 PM
#78:


Anteaterking posted...
Man this is a dumb topic.

Why do people say 'that's dumb' instead of 'this is a dumb topic'?
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A_Good_Boy
11/13/18 1:20:05 PM
#79:


P4wn4g3 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a.

This isn't a real difference.

This is why tee and tea are the exact same word.

*hands you your L*

ebonics motherfucka do you speak it
because its basically just a dialect. Have a country singer rap the song instead and what do you get

People mispronounce words all the time. Doesn't mean they shit that crawls out of their mouths suddenly becomes a whole new word with an entirely different meaning that's divorced from the context or intent of the word that they were originally trying to say in the first place. Toddlers aren't re-inventing the wheel every time they beg for a cookie.

And ebonics, being a different dialect, still accounts for the difference between hard r and soft a. Maybe be around ebonics a bit more before trying to use it to bolster your non-argument.
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Dyinglegacy
11/13/18 1:20:37 PM
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I'm not saying we should use whatever words we want, to hell with anyone else. I feel that any form of degrading someone else is a bad thing to do. But... I can feel this way, while also understanding that the way I feel is subjective.
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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 1:21:17 PM
#81:


A_Good_Boy posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
They're not dropping the hard r. People trying to be offensive with the word aren't using the soft a.

This isn't a real difference.

This is why tee and tea are the exact same word.

*hands you your L*

ebonics motherfucka do you speak it
because its basically just a dialect. Have a country singer rap the song instead and what do you get

People mispronounce words all the time. Doesn't mean they shit that crawls out of their mouths suddenly becomes a whole new word with an entirely different meaning that's divorced from the context or intent of the word that they were originally trying to say in the first place. Toddlers aren't re-inventing the wheel every time they beg for a cookie.

My point still stands.
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lightwarrior78
11/13/18 1:23:27 PM
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I think it's to keep the spotlight off themselves. If you should "I'm offended" all the time for your own offense, your come off selfish and people just don't want you around because you're the person always demanding of others for yourself.

Saying "that's offensive" keeps it in the realm of "thinking about others" and you now come off the good person for doing so.
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Bio1590
11/13/18 1:24:22 PM
#83:


It's hard to argue they're not different when the same person will use both of them in different situations or contexts.
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Dyinglegacy
11/13/18 1:25:28 PM
#84:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.

uh... roadkill skunk


Shit. You're right.
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HenryAllbright
11/13/18 1:27:49 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
HenryAllbright posted...
Another thing to consider....

Punishing people or telling people they are being immoral by saying "i'm offended by your comment" or "your views on ______ are offensive" actually works AGAINST any goals related to getting people to stop saying certain things or having their views. And that's because when somebody says "that's offensive" to a comment you make, that remark is actually perceived as a bigger attack on the person who made the supposed offensive comment than the supposed offensive comment was in the first place.

In other words, it's offensive to tell somebody that they are being offensive. So if you don't like when people are being offensive, why engage in that behavior yourself?


Man this is a dumb topic.


I'm not the one who determined this, I'm just echoing what I learned in college and what the scientists from the association of psychology have determined based on their research. In other words, it's just data man...no reason to get mad at data.
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prettyprincess
11/13/18 1:29:58 PM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
But... I can feel this way, while also understanding that the way I feel is subjective.

because things that are subjective can still be considered common sense by majority rule and some ideas are so diffusive that it doesnt matter that there isnt an objective universal law behind it when discussing colloquial interactions

tc must have skipped class that day
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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 1:32:24 PM
#88:


Why do people say 'that's deep' instead of 'I'm stoned'?
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Dyinglegacy
11/13/18 1:39:46 PM
#89:


Hairistotle posted...
"objectively offensive" doesnt necessarily mean "offends everyone"

do u understand this dyinglegacy


I was hoping to just bow out of this topic, but I will entertain you.

What do you feel that objectively offensive means?
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averagejoel
11/13/18 1:44:48 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Why do people say 'that's deep' instead of 'I'm stoned'?

because SOME of us want to see the mariana trench
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Dyinglegacy
11/13/18 1:46:41 PM
#91:


averagejoel posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Why do people say 'that's deep' instead of 'I'm stoned'?

because SOME of us want to see the mariana trench


I wanna see (move spoiler)the meg that's under the trench
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P4wn4g3
11/13/18 1:47:27 PM
#92:


u sploded the whole move
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SaithSayer
11/13/18 7:23:42 PM
#93:


Conflict posted...
SaithSayer posted...
Conflict posted...
I'm not offended by people calling me gay slurs. Clearly that means it's not offensive

Therefore it's subjective and depends on how much of a baby someone is.


No there's an element of objectivity to whether or not something is offensive and historical context is what makes that much of a difference

Complaining about people saying "that's offensive" about things that are objectively offensive & have been used to offend people for the longest time is not a hill anyone wants to die on

Objective opinions. lol
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SaithSayer
11/13/18 7:28:06 PM
#94:


Dyinglegacy posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Give an example of something that's objectively offensive.

uh... roadkill skunk


Shit. You're right.

Coyotes are pretty damn happy about them so still no.
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RoboLaserGandhi
11/13/18 7:43:34 PM
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GameFAQs mod logic is that whatever they modded was objectively offensive to all.
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