Current Events > Is it unethical to eat meat?

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I'm leaning toward yes. It's causing suffering and murdering an innocent animal, when it could be entirely avoided.
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Whose alt is this
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If you're a dumbo with bad morals, yes it is.

Will I ever give it up? No

Is it mostly unethical? Yes
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Fuck ethics
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Kombucha posted...

Will I ever give it up? No

Is it mostly unethical? Yes

Probably this. It's hard enough for me to hold onto weight. Im not cutting out meat and disappearing
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no but a lot of the meat industry is
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Not unethical, unless it's like, human meat
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I mean, I like eating out women so Im gonna say no
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TeaMilk posted...

no but a lot of the meat industry is

Basically this. If you think factory farming is ethically ok, you're either religious or a mindless consumer

But eating arthropods and maybe fish is ok, as is eating meat that was raised ethically (natural lifestyles for the animals etc.), imo
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Only if we abuse the animals and cause harm. The act of eating meat itself isn't an ethical question at all.
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No, not if the meat is raised and killed humanely. Suffering is a huge exaggeration, given that most forms of butchering actually attempt to keep the animal as calm and oblivious as possible (as, IIRC, fear actually releases chemicals that can taint the meat and make it tough).

Natural behaviors cannot be considered unethical. By natural, obviously, I mean the fact that we are part of the food chain and animals consume meat for sustenance just like we do.

Then you have the issue that plants are 'alive' as well, and there is some indication they may actually 'feel' or have some sort of sensory feeling. So why do animals get special treatment? Because we are more capable of measuring their awareness?

Realistically, though, that doesn't mean we should eat a pure meat diet for every meal. The meat industry needs to be evaluated and we need to find more environmental and efficient ways to produce protein. On top of that, I think the world would benefit if people started to adjust their eating habits a bit, and less red meat is generally advisable, as it can be carcinogenic and can cause weight issues.

No, unless it is cooked well done and smotherd in ketchup.
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The animal's already dead and if I don't eat the meat someone else will.

hockeybub89 posted...

Only if we abuse the animals and cause harm. The act of eating meat itself isn't an ethical question at all.

I agree with this. I absolutely do not condone animal abuse. Our livestock should be treated humanely and slaughtered as humanely as possible. If they're destined to die the least we could do is give them a decent life.
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GATTJT posted...

I agree with this. I absolutely do not condone animal abuse. Our livestock should be treated humanely and slaughtered as humanely as possible. If they're destined to die the least we could do is give them a decent life.

I can't speak for the US, but in Canada, there are literally health inspectors that inspect all incoming animals for slaughter who look for things like abuse. The health standards are actually rather high here.
Again, though, abusing them actually probably makes the meat worse and doesn't benefit you in the least. Even if you consider things like overfeeding abuse, cows that are bigger actually decrease in value because the increase fat content means it no longer qualifies for AAA beef. It's really a lose/lose to not just treat the animals humanely.

Even after seeing how animals are slaughtered (or were at the time) via the Faces Of Death video series I have to say that bacon is delicious.

Salty, greasy and bad for my health but it's still delicious.
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DirkDiggles posted...

No, unless it is cooked well done and smotherd in ketchup.

umm
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

TeaMilk posted...

no but a lot of the meat industry is

Basically this. If you think factory farming is ethically ok, you're either religious or a mindless consumer

But eating arthropods and maybe fish is ok, as is eating meat that was raised ethically (natural lifestyles for the animals etc.), imo

This. Plus, meat is just way too good to give up (except pork).
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most people are addicted to meat so theyre gonna say no. it is though
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DuranOfForcena posted...

why don't you ask a lion if eating a gazelle is unethical

You never get the truth from them, because they're always lion.
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if animals didnt want to be eaten then why are they made out of food
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Kombucha posted...

Will I ever give it up? Probably not

Is it mostly unethical? Yes

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I mean sort of, but it's a necessary evil tbh
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If animals don't want to be eaten, they shouldn't be made out of food
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I've yet to hear a convincing argument (ever, not just itt) that truly morally justifies the killing and eating of an animal

i was raised not eating meat, and I still don't eat meat, so I've never seen it to be a necessity

of course there are certain vitamins etc that humans used to be only able to get through meat but as supplements now exist and are extremely affordable, hard to make that argument as well
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lesidesi posted...

I've yet to hear a convincing argument (ever, not just itt) that truly morally justifies the killing and eating of an animal

i was raised not eating meat, and I still don't eat meat, so I've never seen it to be a necessity

Because people fundamentally disagree with you that killing and eating animals is something that requires justification.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-g-long/what-would-mister-rogers-eat_b_6193910.html

What would Fred Rogers eat for Thanksgiving? Theres one thing we know for certain: He was not inclined to bow his head and offer thanks for a roasted turkey, let alone to carve and consume it. I dont want to eat anything that has a mother, he often said.

Rogers stopped eating meat, fish, and fowl, including succulent turkey, in the early 1970s, not long after Frances Moore Lappe published Diet for a Small Planet, a major critique of meat production and a compelling argument for a plant-based diet that can help alleviate world hunger.

I want to be a vehicle for God, to spread his message of love and peace, Rogers stated when explaining his vegetarianism in 1983.
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No. Meat is for humans to eat and vegetables are for our food to eat.
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I'm pretty ambivalent about the aspect of "destroying something alive for sustenance". We kill a lot of plants, insects, and small mammals even for purely vegetarian diets. Animal-based diets just happen to feature like 10x the volume of death (and 10x life creation, simply for consumption) due to how trophic layers work.

For me the ethics (or lack thereof) mostly stems from: the environmental impact large scale livestock incurs in terms of both greenhouse gases and land/water usage. Minor unethical quip is that livestock/meat production raises the cost of feed which makes food less accessible to the starving third world masses.
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For people that claim to care about the environment and/or animal abuse?

Yes.
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I can't think of any counterarguments to the point that it is unethical. It seems like an open-and-shut case to me.
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I suppose it depends on whether we should give other animals the same moral consideration we offer to our fellow humans.

probably.
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Not to me, no.

Animals eat other animals, and I'm not so arrogant as to place myself above the carnivores who have no other choice, or to demean my fellow omnivores who are unable or unwilling to reconsider.
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...

I can't think of any counterarguments to the point that it is unethical. It seems like an open-and-shut case to me.

it's definitely unethical. just think about it for a minute. we are putting creatures in cages where they are miserable and their fate is to be slaughtered. you can say it's a necessary evil, but it's still evil
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Oh look it's one of these inane topics again.
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@catboy0_0 posted...

TheOrgyPorgy posted...

I can't think of any counterarguments to the point that it is unethical. It seems like an open-and-shut case to me.

it's definitely unethical. just think about it for a minute. we are putting creatures in cages where they are miserable and their fate is to be slaughtered. you can say it's a necessary evil, but it's still evil

That's what he said. He can't think of a counter argument to the point that its unethical. Maybe you should think for a minute before posting.
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ethics is literally arbitrary morality

and i draw my line past the steak
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FreshSushi posted...

ethics is literally arbitrary morality

Wow, literally the opposite
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TeaMilk posted...

no but a lot of the meat industry is

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In this day (for many in the west at least) we simply do not need to eat meat. We have plenty of cheap alternatives, but we choose to eat meat because we like it.

Ultimately, you feel the life of an animal isn't worth consideration. Now, even if they are raised well, you are in the end killing it for your own satisfaction over its own. Would people do the same to their dogs and cats?

People are routinely horrified at the countries that do eat such animals, but to them they do not see them as "part of the family" and are just another animal. Why does one animal deserve to live more than the rest?

Even the ethical animal raising is dubious as well, given the numbers required to sustain demand, unless doing it all yourself.
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The way most meat found in a standard supermarket is farmed is definitely unethical.

The act of eating meat itself is not.

Kombucha posted...

Will I ever give it up? No

Is it mostly unethical? Yes

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

FreshSushi posted...

ethics is literally arbitrary morality

Wow, literally the opposite

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethics_vs_Morals

Morals and ethics are both pretty arbitrary. If they weren't arbitrary, every nation would have the same laws and values.
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Its ethical to eat meat
Its unethical to have the industrial slaughter and food system that we liev in
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catboy0_0 posted...

TheOrgyPorgy posted...

I can't think of any counterarguments to the point that it is unethical. It seems like an open-and-shut case to me.

it's definitely unethical. just think about it for a minute. we are putting creatures in cages where they are miserable and their fate is to be slaughtered. you can say it's a necessary evil, but it's still evil

Their lives dont matter at all though. At least as food they offer some value to the world
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Ya, most likely it is
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Why is it unethical to eat meat that's only alive to be consumed as food in the first place? You're all just throwing this word around as if it's an a priori, when it's really not. You goobs need to figure out how full sentences work.
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