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Rika_Furude
11/11/18 10:38:47 PM
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Health issue? Why cant people be satisfied knowing they are just an evil piece of shit?
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EdgeMaster
11/11/18 10:42:19 PM
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Its an easy way around saying someone is fucked up and/or raised wrong.

That and people dont want to believe that there actually are evil and immoral people around.
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SquirrelyDan
11/11/18 10:44:09 PM
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I don't get it either. Oh, he killed a bunch of people. He just needed counseling and meds.

Fuck that noise. Some people are just not worth the air they breathe. Not everyone is redeemable.
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LinksLiege
11/11/18 10:48:07 PM
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Because this is real life and not a fantasy novel.
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SquirrelyDan
11/11/18 10:50:30 PM
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LinksLiege posted...
Because this is real life and not a fantasy novel.

So every person who commits horrific crimes simply has a mental health issue? Or am I reading you wrong?
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Rika_Furude
11/11/18 10:52:22 PM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
LinksLiege posted...
Because this is real life and not a fantasy novel.

So every person who commits horrific crimes simply has a mental health issue? Or am I reading you wrong?

He might be saying that no deed is truly bad, its a matter of perspective. For example, mass murder can be good for the mass murderer
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vbty3
11/11/18 10:53:04 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
LinksLiege posted...
Because this is real life and not a fantasy novel.

So every person who commits horrific crimes simply has a mental health issue? Or am I reading you wrong?

He might be saying that no deed is truly bad, its a matter of perspective. For example, mass murder can be good for the mass murderer

Ummm what
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Rika_Furude
11/11/18 10:55:13 PM
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vbty3 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
LinksLiege posted...
Because this is real life and not a fantasy novel.

So every person who commits horrific crimes simply has a mental health issue? Or am I reading you wrong?

He might be saying that no deed is truly bad, its a matter of perspective. For example, mass murder can be good for the mass murderer

Ummm what

Yeah i dunno.
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monkmith
11/11/18 11:05:25 PM
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because the human mind likes to categorize everything and everyone it sees.
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ohnoitschris
11/11/18 11:27:52 PM
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What if someone just has a teeny tiny penis and they commit crimes because of that

whats the name of that disorder
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averagejoel
11/11/18 11:32:37 PM
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because people love stigmatizing mental illness
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hockeybub89
11/12/18 4:33:42 AM
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gunplagirl
11/12/18 4:40:05 AM
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averagejoel posted...
because people love stigmatizing mental illness

This, basically

Statistically speaking, people with mental illnesses are MORE likely to be victims of violence than neurotypical people. And they're less likely to become abusers than NTs. When there is overlap it's usually that they are harming themselves.
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Eevee-Trainer
11/12/18 4:40:22 AM
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It could be used to isolate any noteworthy causes, because not everyone is a piece of shit for its own sake.
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Nidhoggr
11/12/18 4:44:10 AM
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How is not considered mental illness when someone is willing and lacking empathy enough to go kill a bunch of people?
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hockeybub89
11/12/18 4:44:26 AM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
I don't get it either. Oh, he killed a bunch of people. He just needed counseling and meds.

Fuck that noise. Some people are just not worth the air they breathe. Not everyone is redeemable.

Mental illness can be chronic and/or incurable like physical illness. Tying "evil" to some sort of mental problems in no way means that all evil people are redeemable or that they have no control over their actions. Which is a woefully ignorant view on mental illness as a whole and terribly insulting to good, mentally ill people.

Everything is cause and effect. Writing off bad things as evil just prevents us from learning how to better stop them in the future.
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Hulkasaurusrex
11/12/18 4:58:01 AM
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Your an idiot would you call a hooker an evil person what about a homeless person starving to death evil, before one of your npc i am better and ritcher and my race and sex gives me the right to be a fuckin shit person.
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Eevee-Trainer
11/12/18 5:00:50 AM
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...
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Hulkasaurusrex
11/12/18 5:05:10 AM
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Syntheticon
11/12/18 6:30:50 AM
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Guns and money. Next.
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catboy0_0
11/12/18 6:32:00 AM
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whats with the need to criminalize those who are not well
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knutjob
11/12/18 6:34:58 AM
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"Evil" is just a copout explanation and completely empty unless you are genuinely devoutly religious.
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Ultima Dragon
11/12/18 6:36:04 AM
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I don't believe mental illness or a negative childhood/social development are "curable." You can try to cope better with therapy or mask it with drugs but it's always going to be there.. for life.

People that do unspeakably evil shit, their brains aren't like the rest of us. They don't need a hug and a pep talk, they need to be kept the hell away from the general populace for the duration of their lives.
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catboy0_0
11/12/18 6:36:48 AM
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I disagree
they are still people
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EffectAndCause
11/12/18 6:40:39 AM
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Because if its a mental issue we cant blame the parents or society.
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catboy0_0
11/12/18 6:41:21 AM
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EffectAndCause posted...
Because if its a mental issue we cant blame the parents or society.

can we blame CE for being so good
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Ultima Dragon
11/12/18 6:41:28 AM
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What business does someone that violently rapes/sodomizes a bunch of women and then chops up their bodies and hides the pieces so their families never get closure have in society with the average hard working stiff that is just trying to make ends meet or raise their families?

Some people are beyond redemption imo.
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catboy0_0
11/12/18 6:43:05 AM
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Ultima Dragon posted...
What business does someone that violently rapes/sodomizes a bunch of women and then chops up their bodies and hides the pieces so their families never get closure have in society with the average hard working stiff that is just trying to make ends meet or raise their families?

Some people are beyond redemption imo.

yes but they are stilll people anyway. you don't have to allow them to do what they desire
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COVxy
11/12/18 7:03:51 AM
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Good and evil are metaphysical concepts. Those who do not believe in religion strive to understand the world physically.
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gunplagirl
11/12/18 8:10:26 AM
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It's not that we even have to call them evil. There's extremist ideals and members of certain intersecting groups that in turn get filled with these ideals about good, and they end up justifying even the most extreme acts of terrorism in the interest of their people.

For instance, right now most mass shootings in America are carried out by people who fit in to all of these categories at once:
White, male, cisgender, heterosexual, Christian, Conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, and with a history of committing acts of violence against women (typically domestic disturbances).

That's not to say everyone who meets all of these conditions is at risk of being a mass shooter.

But there's established medical and criminal proof that people who commit acts of violence of women are more likely to eventually ramp up the extremity of their actions, especially when the abuser has access to guns. There's also a lot of call to action amongst Christian and Conservative beliefs in order to make things "how they used to be" IE "good" and unfortunately that's heavily tied in with a lot of xenophobic views that condition them to ultimately consider minorities as less than human. As such, even mentally stable people under those conditions can be taught that committing awful acts towards those who anger them is acceptable or even romanticized at times, and that in turn can let them carry out extreme actions without considering it to be bad.

I mean, look at how many perfectly sane people there are who are also religious extremists to the extent that they cheer when events like the Pulse night club shooting happened. Those religious extremists were raised in circumstances that make perfectly sane people turn out that way.
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Nidhoggr
11/12/18 8:43:40 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
White, male, cisgender, heterosexual, Christian, Conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, and with a history of committing acts of violence against women (typically domestic disturbances).

lol not surprised this post is made by gunplagirl
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gunplagirl
11/12/18 8:51:12 AM
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Gosh, it's so amazing that you ignored how that statement was qualified in both the preceding and following sentences.
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TwoDoorPunkCab
11/12/18 8:52:59 AM
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nobody is born evil
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averagejoel
11/12/18 8:58:54 AM
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Nidhoggr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
White, male, cisgender, heterosexual, Christian, Conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, and with a history of committing acts of violence against women (typically domestic disturbances).

lol not surprised this post is made by gunplagirl

is this another proudclad alt
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gunplagirl
11/12/18 8:59:45 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
White, male, cisgender, heterosexual, Christian, Conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, and with a history of committing acts of violence against women (typically domestic disturbances).

lol not surprised this post is made by gunplagirl

is this another proudclad alt

I have him tagged as "probably prodclod"
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CmPope
11/12/18 9:02:51 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
averagejoel posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
White, male, cisgender, heterosexual, Christian, Conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, and with a history of committing acts of violence against women (typically domestic disturbances).

lol not surprised this post is made by gunplagirl

is this another proudclad alt

I have him tagged as "probably prodclod"

grow up
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gunplagirl
11/12/18 9:03:23 AM
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CmPope posted...
gunplagirl posted...
averagejoel posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
White, male, cisgender, heterosexual, Christian, Conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, and with a history of committing acts of violence against women (typically domestic disturbances).

lol not surprised this post is made by gunplagirl

is this another proudclad alt

I have him tagged as "probably prodclod"

grow up

Is that you purdclad
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AlisLandale
11/12/18 9:07:00 AM
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Because if it is a mental health issue then we can learn and prevent similar events in the future.

If its not then oh well, science has wasted time on stupider endeavors
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averagejoel
11/12/18 9:09:38 AM
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CmPope posted...
gunplagirl posted...
averagejoel posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
White, male, cisgender, heterosexual, Christian, Conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, and with a history of committing acts of violence against women (typically domestic disturbances).

lol not surprised this post is made by gunplagirl

is this another proudclad alt

I have him tagged as "probably prodclod"

grow up

Is that a yes or a no
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SquirrelyDan
11/12/18 11:46:07 PM
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For the record I never used the word evil in my posts itt. I don't subscribe to this bs that every rapist, killer, or otherwise violent criminal is suffering from a mental illness. I think some people just enjoy doing horrific things to other people.
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EzeDoesIt
11/12/18 11:51:07 PM
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because criminal just means you cant or refuse to adapt to the system, which historically has been consistently faulty. oh sorry im a runaway slave guess that makes me a mental patient
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EzeDoesIt
11/12/18 11:52:09 PM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
For the record I never used the word evil in my posts itt. I don't subscribe to this bs that every rapist, killer, or otherwise violent criminal is suffering from a mental illness. I think some people just enjoy doing horrific things to other people.

i agree with this too, not saying no one is bad, but lots of good people are and have been labeled criminal
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SquirrelyDan
11/12/18 11:56:16 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
mental health is a real concern and wanting to treat it is valid

Agreed, but calling all violent criminals people who suffer from mental health issues is a copout and it stigmatizes actual sufferers.
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Lost_All_Senses
11/12/18 11:56:20 PM
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Nidhoggr posted...
How is not considered mental illness when someone is willing and lacking empathy enough to go kill a bunch of people?

catboy0_0 posted...
I disagree
they are still people

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EzeDoesIt
11/12/18 11:58:15 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
How is not considered mental illness when someone is willing and lacking empathy enough to go kill a bunch of people?

catboy0_0 posted...
I disagree
they are still people

agreed
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SquirrelyDan
11/12/18 11:58:53 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
Hairistotle posted...
mental health is a real concern and wanting to treat it is valid

Agreed, but calling all violent criminals people who suffer from mental health issues is a copout and it stigmatizes actual sufferers.

does anyone call all violent criminals sufferers of mental health issues

That is what the topic title supposed and the point I'm addressing.
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