Current Events > Paradise, Calaifornia was destroyed by the wildfire last night

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https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/11/08/camp-fire-chico-paradise-butte-evacuations-ordered/

WOW
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That's terrible to hear...
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Yeah, it's a terrifyingly fast fire. Amazing there haven't been any deaths due to the fire yet.
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tamashiini posted...

Yeah, it's a terrifyingly fast fire. Amazing there haven't been any deaths due to the fire yet.

There were people who were trapped in Paradise and couldnt get out and were tweeting about it apparently. There have definitely been deaths unfortunatley
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crazy. the air around here is nuts, too.
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solosnake posted...

tamashiini posted...

Yeah, it's a terrifyingly fast fire. Amazing there haven't been any deaths due to the fire yet.

There were people who were trapped in Paradise and couldnt get out and were tweeting about it apparently. There have definitely been deaths unfortunatley

Oh, damn. I hadn't heard about that. That's awful.
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Residents described fleeing their homes and then getting stuck on gridlocked roads as flames approached, sparking explosions and toppling utility poles.

Things started exploding, said resident Gina Oviedo. People started getting out of their vehicles and running.

Sounds terrifying
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Remember when that report came out saying we have 10 years to maybe start reversing climate change then we started talking about did Jim Acosta punch a lady.
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Yeah it's raining ash where I live. Sky was orange today.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp78_vyFIKn/?utm_source=ig_embed

incredible
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I was told the fire was moving several football fields a minute...

Devil_Katt_II posted...

I was told the fire was moving several football fields a minute...

It went something like 0 to 20,000 acres in a little over 12 hours, from my understanding, so that sounds legit
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freaking scary man. you wake up and don't even realize there's a fire then the next minute it's at your door step O_O;

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

it's a double edged sword.
trees=oxygen and wood.
but it can also burn and kill us.
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kingdrake2 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

it's a double edged sword.
trees=oxygen and wood.
but it can also burn and kill us.

There are enough trees here. Trust me, I see hundreds of trees every time I drive to work and there is no shortage of oxygen.

The problem right now is the high density of trees per acre in forests. There are hundreds of trees per acre because of unchecked growth compared to less than 50 trees per acre 150 year ago. And there are 129 million dead trees in California. That's a lot of fuel for wildfires.
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Devil_Katt_II posted...

I was told the fire was moving several football fields a minute...

80
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now I understand the concept of nuclear winter. the ash and debris in the atmosphere blocks out the sun and it's fucking cold

What's causing all these damn fires in California? My goodness, they seem to be more and more frequent.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

What's causing all these damn fires in California? My goodness, they seem to be more and more frequent.

we're not getting any rain

So pave it and put up a parkibg lot.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

What's causing all these damn fires in California? My goodness, they seem to be more and more frequent.

Wind, heat, lack of rain, inadequate brush controlled burns. Sparked by lightning, sparks from campfires/hobo camps/cars/fireworks/poorly maintained power lines, etc.

It's actually kind of amazing we don't have more wildfires than we do, to be honest.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

What a horrendously idiotic idea. Fires can be fought, can't do much to stop a mountain sliding down itself because now there's no longer any trees to hold the soil in place.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

it's a double edged sword.
trees=oxygen and wood.
but it can also burn and kill us.

There are enough trees here. Trust me, I see hundreds of trees every time I drive to work and there is no shortage of oxygen.

The problem right now is the high density of trees per acre in forests. There are hundreds of trees per acre because of unchecked growth compared to less than 50 trees per acre 150 year ago. And there are 129 million dead trees in California. That's a lot of fuel for wildfires.

Same thing in Oregon,
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kingdrake2 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

it's a double edged sword.
trees=oxygen and wood.
but it can also burn and kill us.

This was the similar issue here in SoCal over a decade ago. I'm between two mountain ranges. Huge swaths of the pine trees were dead due to bark beetle infestations. Could the authorities do anything about it? No. Because hippies cried about the clearing of dead trees and about the endangered animals blah blah. But it'll burn terribly. Nope. Don't care. Because animals and our beautiful mostly dead forests are pretty.
So what happened. The biggest (at the time) forest fire in CA history. Whole damn mountain burned. And to this day those same hippies still complain about the poor animals were displaced and now their habitat is being taken over by oak instead of pine.
Before that it was brush clearing near homes not being allowed over the fucking kangaroo rat. Fire took the homes and the damn rats too.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

What's causing all these damn fires in California? My goodness, they seem to be more and more frequent.

Part of it is poor management from the past. Fires were put out, which allowed the brush to grow out of control. Now we use controlled burns to maintain a better balance, but some areas have decades of growth that should have burned years ago if nature had been allowed to take its course.
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Our wacky local government seems to think it's fine with fires every year rather than doing something about it.
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Sariana21 posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

What's causing all these damn fires in California? My goodness, they seem to be more and more frequent.

Part of it is poor management from the past. Fires were put out, which allowed the brush to grow out of control. Now we use controlled burns to maintain a better balance, but some areas have decades of growth that should have burned years ago if nature had been allowed to take its course.

This too. So much money is spent trying to stop fires that are necessary to refresh the life of a forest.
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muchdran posted...

Our wacky local government seems to think it's fine with fires every year rather than doing something about it.

What should they do about it?
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Man, that's terrible. I had two tickets to Paradise...
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Fires can be fought, can't do much to stop a mountain sliding down itself

Gee I wonder which one happens more often.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

What a horrendously idiotic idea. Fires can be fought, can't do much to stop a mountain sliding down itself because now there's no longer any trees to hold the soil in place.

Are you kidding? Do you know how much devastation the fires have caused in the last 5 years and you're worried about a mudslide that may block a road or 2? We haven't had rain in 7 months and the chance of mudslide is slim to none at the moment. Meanwhile, the chance of a wild fire is extremely high.

And we're not talking about deforestation. We're talking about thinning the trees so fires doesn't spread so quickly and cause billions in damage.
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Looks like the red tsunami has gone physical.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

That only does so much. I've had two big fires here in the last 10-15 years and neither area had much trees. The canyons and hills burn just as fast.
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9 people have died
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Nice
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GATTJT posted...

Man, that's terrible. I had two tickets to Paradise...

Did you pack your bags and leave tonight?
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Nice

what
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Zeeak4444 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm in the Bay Area and the air quality is pretty lousy right now.

They should really soften the timber cutting regulations in California. Yes, it's dry and climate is a factor, but fires spread quickly because the forests are too dense and that's the reason why it spread so quickly.

Either you cut some of it or have it all burn in a fire. And when it burns, it'll burn more than just trees given the devastation of the wild fires in the last few years.

That only does so much. I've had two big fires here in the last 10-15 years and neither area had much trees. The canyons and hills burn just as fast.

The point is to allow firefighters time to contain the fire and prevent it from spreading further. Fire spreading at 80 football fields per minute is an insane speed. That's what, 4.5 miles per minute? It takes a car driving at 55 mph about 5 minutes to cover the same distance.
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/weather/2018/11/09/family-prays-driving-through-paradise-california-camp-fire-vpx.cnn

unfathomable
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solosnake posted...

https://www.cnn.com/videos/weather/2018/11/09/family-prays-driving-through-paradise-california-camp-fire-vpx.cnn

unfathomable

jesus theyre lucky their tires didn't melt.
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I vaguely recall reading something about a regulation that changed and prohibited more trees from being cut down for environmental reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it. We've had droughts before and it's never been this bad. Something else had to have changed.

This is the third or fourth time (not sure, but at least the third time) within the past year that I've had to keep the windows closed for days because of wildfire smoke. It's become such a common thing I've lost count. I was outside for about 25 minutes this morning and I'm still coughing it out. Bad times.
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Sariana21 posted...

muchdran posted...

Our wacky local government seems to think it's fine with fires every year rather than doing something about it.

What should they do about it?

Ban fire
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GATTJT posted...

Man, that's terrible. I had two tickets to Paradise...

Same. Somebody was going to take me down to the Paradise City where the grass is green and the girls are pretty but I guess that's off the table now
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It's gonna be a very unpopular opinion, but if they want these annual wildfires to stop, they need to let those motherfuckers burn.

That said, if those aquifers weren't getting drained so hard, those forests might not be so dry either.
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I thought they paved Paradise and put up a parking lot?
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SpiralDrift posted...

I vaguely recall reading something about a regulation that changed and prohibited more trees from being cut down for environmental reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it. We've had droughts before and it's never been this bad. Something else had to have changed.

This is the third or fourth time (not sure, but at least the third time) within the past year that I've had to keep the windows closed for days because of wildfire smoke. It's become such a common thing I've lost count. I was outside for about 25 minutes this morning and I'm still coughing it out. Bad times.

Here's one example of environmental groups stopping logging in California in 2016. A bunch of self back-padding scientists who claim that dead trees would not increase the danger of wildfires.

2016 - Logging Californias dead trees is harmful to the forests
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Logging-California-s-dead-trees-is-harmful-to-9698896.php

Two years later, these idiot scientists finally admit that they were a danger:

2018 - 100 Million Dead Trees Prompt Fears of Giant Wildfires
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/us/california-today-100-million-dead-trees-prompt-fears-of-giant-wildfires.html

For a bunch of guys who is supposed to use their brains, they let their emotions get better of their logic and refused to see reality until the devastation of wildfire in the last couple years.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

9 people have died

And the immediate next post
DragonGirlYuki posted...

Nice

Not sure if intentional or...
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Mist_Turnips posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

9 people have died

And the immediate next post
DragonGirlYuki posted...

Nice

Not sure if intentional or...

Dragon is a weird poster
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Kineth posted...

It's gonna be a very unpopular opinion, but if they want these annual wildfires to stop, they need to let those motherf***ers burn.

That said, if those aquifers weren't getting drained so hard, those forests might not be so dry either.

One thing people don't understand is how the forests works. The more trees it has, the more trees it has to suck up water from the ground. They're basically fighting for the same resources until there is none. With the drought, there is nothing to sustain the life so many trees.

Tree thinning, the process of clearing out dead and unnecessary tress actually rejuvenates the forest and makes it less dry. This would not only slow down wildfires, it would make the trees more healthy in the long run.

A very unbiased source on the benefits of tree thinning:
https://www.forestfoundation.org/woodland-tree-thinning-101
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